posted October 21, 2009 07:54 AM         

thats how i feel. maybe its even more apparent for a 'man' in the way society insists on bringing up men to 'hide' emotions (like as if they should be ashamed of them).

posted October 21, 2009 12:15 PM         

I just seldom want to talk needlessly about emotions. I'd rather work on them than talk about them.

edit: just because I seldom declare them to the world doesn't mean that I do not acknowledge their existence. I do. I don't pretend either. I am just not into yapping all day about how I feel. If I have said it once, I feel it's enough, but the world requires more than that.

My Saturn is in 12th.

posted October 21, 2009 12:26 PM         

im just wondering if saturn plus neptune on the moon makes it harder to keep those emotions 'controlled'/hidden if emotions are more prominent with neptune on the moon.

in my case neptune and saturn are conjunct.

i do have jupiter and venus on my moon too.

posted October 21, 2009 12:59 PM         

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im just wondering if saturn plus neptune on the moon makes it harder to keep those emotions 'controlled'/hidden if emotions are more prominent with neptune on the moon.

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Maybe the sign placements of Moon/Saturn/Neptune should be taken into consideration.

posted October 21, 2009 01:00 PM         

my moon is in aries

i dislike people who get emotionally irrational.

even though i'm suffering with an irrational emotional issue. lol

could explain my phobia this aspect?

posted October 21, 2009 01:13 PM         

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Nine it's funny that you should say that about Cancers because I find that Cancerian men are more likely to be the strong silent types because they feel like they have to overcompensate for feeling TOO emotional.

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posted October 21, 2009 01:15 PM         

absolutely!

in my whole sign house system chart:
Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 7th
conjunct Mars in 25'54 Aquarius
square Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 4th
square Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 4th
square Saturn in 5'08 Gemini in 10th

I have a t-square, the Moon,Saturn,Neptune are aspected in a way that my t-square apex Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint in 3'28 Virgo. T-square apex Moon tends to be more overemotional,hypersensitive any way in a t-square....very much so with my ,Moon in the most sensitive,emotional sign of Pisces.

I tend to hide my emotions a lot,but I end up getting over emotional. I was always an overly emotional,hypersensitive person just like my mother. For better or worse,my environment tends to affect me way too easily. This was major problem when growing up in a dysfunctional household. This was especially so when I was being in the navy, especially when out to sea with a lot of co-workers that are stressed.

trine to my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio suggests ease in self expression of feelings, but I feel that it can mean expressing my feelings too easily that I can be too emotional,hypersensitive especially with the Sun trine Moon being in watersigns. Betty Lundsted talked about that in one of her books. facial expressions,gestures,tone of voice tend to show what I am feeling.

also 4 transneptunians aspect my moon,and so sorta like pluto aspects in regards to combined intensity,sensitivity,extreme depth
so my emotions are far more intense,sensitive,complexed than what my chart would suggest if not looking at the transneptunians. There are intensified evolutionary lessons,experiences in regards to my emotional world,mother,and women in general

trine Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio in 3rd
trine Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpio in 3rd
square Varuna in 3'01 Gemini R in 10th
sextile Sedna in 2'06 Taurus R in 9th

of course, I have diagnosed depression and anxiety disorders too. I was misdiagnosed as having schizoaffective bipolar disorder. I have a military service-connection disability rating. I don't recommend the navy for ultrasensitive people.

my mom has hepatitis C and Diabetes. She is on disability. She is also recovering alcoholic,drug addict. She has diagnosed depression,anxiety disorders. She depends on me for financial support which I readily give. That was hard for be because of the abuse that I suffered from her in the past. With Moon as an anima planet, my relationship with my mother influence my relationships with women in general. I need to avoid getting involved with women that are similar to my mother in the negative ways. The thing is that with it being my moon, I have some similarities with my mother too.

Moon is also associated with the brain too. I do have neuro-divergence which I have inherited from both parents. My overly emotional,hypersensitivity is connected to that. It's not just emotional but also sensitivity to light,sound,touch,and just the overall surroundings. Special education specialists use the word "sensory integration" issues.
I take fish oil because of Omega 3 fatty acids, EPA and DHA. It decreases my emotionality,sensitivity. That has helped me to process information better,especially when it comes to memory. Of course,my depression and anxiety has decreased too. I have high estrogen levels verified by hormone tests,and so that also factors in those things. Males with high estrogen levels are more emotional,sensitive than other males. I take a male multivitamin regularly,and it also has Omega 3 fatty acids in it but also things for good male reproductive health. It has high vitamin B complex which is good for stress.

I also listen to New Age,Meditation music regularly to help me sooth,calm my emotions,nervous system.

of course,spirituality is also important to me, but I try to stay grounded. That means not getting involved with channeling,mediumism,and magick as well as far out esoteric things which can easily overwhelm me and blur the lines between fact and fiction. That's always an issue with people with strong Neptune influence. That goes especially for people the hard Neptune aspects that aspect Pisces personal planets,points like in my case with Moon in Pisces square Neptune. My Moon square transneptunian,Varuna even makes that more so.

I don't drink nor use drugs. That's a must with Moon square Neptune, especially with Moon in Pisces like in my case.

a shaman is also doing healing work on me.

it's been a year of healing for me with Moon sextile Pluto in my current solar return as well as transiting Pluto sextile Moon which also led to numerous lunar returns with Moon sextile Pluto. Transiting Pluto will be sextiling my Moon soon. It's been a time of emotional healing and dealing with issues with my mom and women in my life.

With your Moon square Saturn-Neptune,
I would suggest staying away from drugs and alcohol. I believe that being spiritually oriented and surrounding yourself with positive,spiritually oriented is something that will help you emotionally. Also make sure that you use discernment,practicality,and common sense when dealing with metaphysical matters or you can end up having serious boundary issues. You have to protect yourself so you can avoid things like psychosis,neurosis which tends to be possible manifestation with those configurations. Of course, you have to avoid depression and anxiety. It also helps to not let people with problems overwhelm you. Structuring your sensitivity,compassion is very vital to your health.

Saturn-Neptune aspect is known as the health issue aspect too, especially when it comes to serious health problems. That's something to be aware of. It also can indicate possible immune system issues too.

emotional stress can lower the immune system.

the aspect can indicate also fears and phobias.

fact: fears,phobias,and emotional problems can be caused by inner ear problems.

Saturn is the planet associated with the ears too.

I have a history of inner ear problems myself. they are known as vestibular disorder or cerebellar vestibular dysfunction.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 21, 2009 01:24 PM         

i'v not particularly had many health issues in my life so far, although i do have a blood disorder called 'sickle cell trait' which is not really the full version that gives a lot of symptoms.

on the note of health though, im pretty sure my health is poor, due to diet than anything.

but im working on it, its interesting you mentioned omega 3, i eat alot of smoked salmon/(the type you eat cold with bread/toast n stuff) these days, and thats suppose to be omega 3 rich i think.

why is alcohol such a problem?

i always drink when im out, i'v never had an alcohol problem before, but about 6+ months ago, i was getting into alcoholism slightly,
but i stopped and im doing great in regards to that. the alcoholism came on because of depression, and alcohol offered some form of 'escape' from it, although sometimes it did the opposite, it would make me dwell on it, especially if it was me drinking at home alone, which i started doing. after i realized it could become a problem, i obviously thought i shouldn't let it become a real problem and should do something about it Now. so i actually started smoking, especially since i didn't want to drink at college no more, it was giving me a bad image and i felt like i was being judged way more. i stopped smoking now.. well kinda, i smoke the odd one now n then socially at parties.

i find it hard to let go of the past, i feel like i have so many more 'happier' memories, even though my mother is a sufferer of bipolar, and her not being able to look after me as a child now n then (total of about 2 years without my mother from separations) but i miss my child hood, i find it hard to let go, i felt so happy when i was young, and i miss those feelings, the older i get the more i miss them, and the harder i find it to move on sometimes. (my old friends, i was closer to most of my family as opposed to now, i had many friends in school) i lost it all.

posted October 21, 2009 04:38 PM         

What you have there is a Grand Cross. I think you posted before under a different name, if you are the same person you are familiar with this Grand Cross scenario. Check out this link for more on it:-

http://lessons.astrology.com/course/show/StarTypes-Life-Path-Astrology/3 479-StarType-3-The-Grand-Cross

There is no mention of doom and gloom in that - you are described as a "rare bird" with "innate intuition".

The Grand Cross is powerful and dynamic, but it is isn't easy energy. I do feel the Moon is fragile to be holding up one end and that would be my concern. I see your place of birth and that puts some context into what you say about men dealing with emotions. Things are getting better I do think, there is a certain emotionally repressed type of Englishman far your senior that frustrates me no end.

Now this is just my personal take, but I wonder if you might be susceptible todepression. I say that because Moon in tense contact with Jupiter crops up on charts of friends of mine who suffer from this - almost as if it it is like they have too much emotion to handle. It doesn't help that you have Saturn/Neptune in on the action. Maybe this isn't true for you but it could be something to watch out for and I hope that includes having the ear of a good friend.

Raymond and I are close in age and share the Jupiter/Saturn/Neptune contact of our generation. He won't disagree if I say it is a bit of a stinker, especially if you have the Moon whacked in the middle of it, as he does, and you are alike in that respect. In my case, I get lucky and get the Moon in Trine. However, I get the M.C in the middle, to even the balance a little.

That's not helping much and I suppose you have noticed threads about the "cardinal climax" and other things relating to the current movement of Pluto through Capricorn and Saturn heading into Libra.

Well you know what, I think this could be painful for you but it could be good. Right now that Cardinal movement is heading and into my Plutonic Moon. I can feel it alright. I think you will feel the movement too when it shifts round and hits your planets, triggering off your Grand Cross. You have the chance to change the way your channel your emotional energy and how you express yourself to others. I think this thread is maybe part of that process - you're starting to think about it.

posted October 21, 2009 05:37 PM         

i would have never thought of jupiter being responsible for depression, i feel like i am an emotional person, but my capacity for emotion is small (but potent). the saturn is probably responsible there, and also responsible for me not showing this emotional side very often.

when i am upset i usually do my best to hide it, and do it well. although sometimes it can show by me getting angry, touchy, frustrated, and a little intense. worse case scenario, when these feelings develop, if they over take me, i can without control pick up something and smash it. its bad but i really can't help it.. i just feel like im chucking the emotion out of me with the object.

if i don't go down that root, i will shed a few tears on my own somewhere.. only i am allowed to hear/see my self cry as one well put it on this forum.

im not exactly looking forward to these transits messing up with many planets simultaneously i don't know what to expect, im willing to deal with anything thrown at me though apart from 1 or 2 things.

my creative outlets revolve around media.

my big interest is film making/photography/cinematography.

i plan to get into some form of filming projects before i try and go to uni, during my 2 year 'break'.

thanks again BM.

posted October 21, 2009 05:54 PM         

Venus will get a double dose with a Conjunction off Saturn and a Square from Pluto. Could be interesting times in relationships.

posted October 22, 2009 08:49 AM         

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do you feel like, you are actually quite emotional, and its even harder for your saturn square to hide it? even though its hard, you pull it off. but emotions are bottled up?

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I have Moon square Saturn and can definitely relate to that. With Moon in Aqua 11th house I can distance quite well, but if it's brewing inside, it's hard to contain. The older I get the less I feel like I want to contain it. Holding all of that inside eventually leads to something explosive. With Mars also square Moon - even though with the Taurus influence and in the 2nd house, it can be slow to boil - you want to move out of the way when that volcano erupts.

posted October 22, 2009 01:56 PM         

You're very welcome.

"i'v not particularly had many health issues in my life so far, although i do have a blood disorder called 'sickle cell trait' which is not really the full version that gives a lot of symptoms."

hmmm...I don't have that. my mother told me that my father was tested for it because he's black. He tested negative.

"on the note of health though, im pretty sure my health is poor, due to diet than anything.

but im working on it, its interesting you mentioned omega 3, i eat alot of smoked salmon/(the type you eat cold with bread/toast n stuff) these days, and thats suppose to be omega 3 rich i think."

yep. Fish is rich in Omega 3 fatty acids, DHA and EPA. That's why people say that it's brainfood. My stepfather used to tell me all the time,but I didn't believe him. If he had explained to me about the Omega 3 fatty acids,DHA and EPA, then I might have listened to him. I can't just take people's word for things. The Omega 3 fatty acid defiencies are common in people with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD which are conditions that I have. I read about this in the book,LCP Solution and other reading materials. That's what got me into taking fish oil. It is said to be good for emotional,mood disorders as well as even schizophrenia. None of that surprises me because neuro-divergent conditions have overlapping symptoms/traits with psychiatric disorders. That's one of the main things that I try to raise awareness about as a neuro-diversity advocate. I want to help prevent misdiagnosis and unnecessary medicating. It has happened to many neuro-divergents including myself.

"why is alcohol such a problem?"
Neptune is the ruler of addictions,alcohol,and drugs. It also ruler of escapism,fantasy,illusion,deception. It's also associated with mental illnesses like schizophrenia. Of course,it's also associated with mysticism and psychism. There can be fine line between all those things too.

Astrologers always warn about strong Neptune/Pisces/12th house influence,especially hard Neptune aspects can be strong potential indicator for having problem with addictions,alcohol,and drugs. People strong in watersigns. Seeing how both strong Neptune,strong water runs in my family along with ultrasensitivity alcoholism,drug addiction,and mental illness, I decided not to drink ever again. I realized that ultrasensitive people can be more susceptible to those issues. The last time I drank alcohol was January 1999. Alcohol and drugs can easily trigger mental disorders including bipolar and schizophrenia. That's if there is family history,genetics. I am a strong believer in genetics,and I believe that our natal charts strongly reflect our genetic composition.

"i always drink when im out, i'v never had an alcohol problem before, but about 6+ months ago, i was getting into alcoholism slightly,
but i stopped and im doing great in regards to that. the alcoholism came on because of depression, and alcohol offered some form of 'escape' from it, although sometimes it did the opposite, it would make me dwell on it, especially if it was me drinking at home alone, which i started doing. after i realized it could become a problem, i obviously thought i shouldn't let it become a real problem and should do something about it Now. so i actually started smoking, especially since i didn't want to drink at college no more, it was giving me a bad image and i felt like i was being judged way more. i stopped smoking now.. well kinda, i smoke the odd one now n then socially at parties."

"i find it hard to let go of the past, i feel like i have so many more 'happier' memories, even though my mother is a sufferer of bipolar, and her not being able to look after me as a child now n then (total of about 2 years without my mother from separations) but i miss my child hood, i find it hard to let go, i felt so happy when i was young, and i miss those feelings, the older i get the more i miss them, and the harder i find it to move on sometimes. (my old friends, i was closer to most of my family as opposed to now, i had many friends in school) i lost it all."

none of this stuff surprises me at all.
Moon square Saturn-Neptune tend to indicate problems with the mother like she could have been dysfunctional in a significant way. It could indicate health problems (physical or mental) that are connected to the mother.
This is all true with my mother. I was even in a foster home for a little bit when I was 2 because she was in jail. She also went to jail for 6 months when I was in 4th grade. Both were alcohol,drug-related.

seeing that your mother is bipolar, there is possibility that you could have a gene for that. It's possible that drugs and alcohol could trigger bipolar in you. That's something to watch out for and try to prevent.

I know some bipolars from a transitional housing community. Many of them have drug/alcohol issues. I am not saying that your mom does. It's that many bipolars self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, and this ends up leading them to be alcoholics/drug addicts. Of course, people with depression and anxiety can self-medicate with drugs and alcohol. Many people with ADHD also self-medicate with drugs and alcohol. Of course,many people with ADHD have bipolar too.

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 23, 2009 01:17 AM         

Saturn/Neptune
Confusion about what is and is not real. Fear,pessimism. Ascetism, extreme self denial or denial of the physical for reasons of self-discipline. Often takes the form of chronic, non-infectious, or systemic ailments. The ability to bring dreams into concrete realization

Moon/Neptune
Extreme sensitivity and subjection to external energies and influences. Tendency to self-sacrifice or martyrdom. Passivity. Escapism, fantasies, unconscious forces influencing the imagination. Illusions created by subconscious desires or energies that have their origin in the past.

Moon/Saturn
Feelings of loneliness. Feeling cut off or alienated, not caring for or being cared for by anyone. Inhibited feelings, feelings subject to discipline. Somberness, sobriety, reserve. In women's charts can be a point of self-deprecation. In charts of either sex can mean difficulties with the mother.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 23, 2009 06:10 AM         

Raymond,

the descriptions are pretty accurate, especially the saturn-moon one.

im interested in taking up the fish oils idea up, and other fish food. i'd like to get a brain-food diet going on.

i do love salmon though!

as for the bipolar thing, well.. i hope i don't end up suffering with it. but i will not stop drinking, thats my own decision. i guess it could be my downfall. i hope not.

im hoping the 70$ chance of it not being passed on is likely enough for me!

take care all x