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cooljen
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posted November 08, 2009 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cooljen     Edit/Delete Message
I dont normally do this, but I just wanted to say that I also think this is an interesting thread and there is astrology in it, if you take out all the bickering back and forth.

If you look at the threads on here, you will see that a really good percentage of them run off the topic and become 'non astrological' but nobody calls to have those threads shut down.

People should just try to stick to the topic. (and yes I know my post doesnt go with the topic) - But I wanted to point that out

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posted November 08, 2009 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
There is astrological content in the thread, but the balance really really errs. If it deviates further it'll be moved to LLC2. Just asking you to keep it astro relevant. Thanks.

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posted November 08, 2009 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
i dont agree with the analysis that fire or earth signs are "simpleton"

well letus begin with astrology, Lindagoodman's an aries, sydney omars a Leo....i personally think fire signs are the most spiritual signs...

also mother teresa was a virgo.......an earth sign....just examples off the cuff

e one has a different style of approaching life and think.........

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posted November 08, 2009 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystique     Edit/Delete Message
"I see this in unevolved folks of all types, but I tend to think of it as relating most strongly to the signs of Aries and Leo, and to the Earth Signs... It's when somebody thinks they can just cut through the bullsh-t with a few blunt and intolerant words. Nevermind that the deepest and most profound hearts, minds, and souls have been debating the problem for millenia "

Hello

I just want to point out that the signs you are perceiving as so simplistic and blunt are a part of your make up as well...you must have them active somewhere in your blueprint too...12 signs in every horoscope :

Maybe they remind you of something you are lacking or need to integrate within you so instead of letting their comment hurt you so deeply just keep doing your thing and if they helped you see something about yourself good, if not move on... everyone has something to teach us

Mystique

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posted November 08, 2009 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
Valus,

I think the the bluntness of the fire signs and earth signs isn't due to them being simple. Actually, I wouldn't consider any of the signs simple.

First of all, fire signs tend to be blunt probably because they are impatient. They want to know what you are trying to say RIGHT NOW. The earth signs can be blunt because they tend to be focused on getting things done and don't want to deal with a lot of verbal diarrhea.

While this bluntness can make them seem rude, they really don't mean anything by it most of the time.

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posted November 08, 2009 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
"I don't know if you are aware of this, but, that is actually the common view. The one you practically get delivered in your mail every month. If you think with the public, you'll have this view in your pocket next to your license. "

lol, I don't really give a damn if it's common or not. I'm not trying to be original, just saying what I think. If it's common then so be it. I'm certainly not the type to go around checking what others think or going with what is 'socially acceptable'. Who cares?

I find the whole subject of the evolved vs. the un-evolved rather one-dimensional actually.

Astrologically, I've got a little bit of everything in my chart, in equal amounts. I'd like to think I can identify with all signs to an extent. And I like the bluntness of fire signs - sometimes we need that kind of no-nonsense approach.
I still think it would be awfully boring if we were all so 'evolved' or whatever. Even if were, we'd still all be DIFFERENT and have DIFFERENT approaches and opinions. And there would STILL be no-nonsense types, in different forms. And then what?

But when it comes right down to it, I think most of how people view astrology is BS. To even equate fire signs or earth signs with such-and-such behavior is really something that turns me off because it's SUCH an easy out. And it's kind of crazy. So people who are born during certain months are guilty of behaving a certain way, or are great for other reasons... it's totally nuts. It completely disregards the actual human experience, and assigns people to certain boxes. What a way to live. No thanks. That's not really the way I like to view astrology. I feel there's more to it than that, because there's more to us as human beings...it's more complex, more rich and varied. Someone with a great chart showing a lot of supposed depth can turn out to be a very superficial person who rejects depth. You just never know. People have the capacity to surprise, pleasantly and unpleasantly.
I think it's good to remember that.

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posted November 08, 2009 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
can some one (in another topic if they wish)

explain to me, what this 'evolved' and 'unevolved' soul business is about? how do you know you if you are an old or young soul, or evolved or unevolved soul?


or better yet, how do you know you are a soul from a previous incarnation?

just sounds like spiritual assertions!

i believe i am an old soul.


facebook quiz told me so.

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posted November 08, 2009 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Letram, I don't really know. I think it's as simple as this (to me) : Some people are aware, and some are not. Some have no desire for awareness. To me awareness is key.
Maybe some call that un-evolved. I call it a level of ignorance. But ignorance can be taught and un-taught.

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posted November 08, 2009 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
LOL letram @ facebook quiz

I don't like these terms - old soul and new soul, it's so condescending.

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posted November 08, 2009 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
what is there to prove that reincarnation is possible? faith? faith is not proof.

and that your soul has reincarnated into this life time?

and that you have any idea what age it might be?

all of this is based on what evidence to create this faith in the first place?

lets say its proven, how can you prove you know what age your soul is or if its evolved or not?

i believe you don't know what you are talking about.

there is the educated, and the uneducated, the immature, and the mature, the mindless and the logical.

this is suppose to prove you are evolved or old?

enlighten me in a fresh topic somebody.

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posted November 08, 2009 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
well if we go back to psychology, there are various theories which talk abt human development. the most common is maslow's theory of hierarchy of needs. it says that at top level there are individual who behave from self-actualization needs. its an ideal individual, only 1% of population realizes it.

my personal favorite is Keagan's constructive developmental theory. This theory says that highest order indivduals are so advanced in their thinking, have very wholistic, intricate and complicated thinking patterns. These individuals are capable of bringing transformations. These develomental orders in order of increasing levels are
impulsive
opportunist
diplomat
technician
achiever
strategist
alchemist
ironist

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Valus
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posted November 08, 2009 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Astra,

quote:

I think the the bluntness of the fire signs and earth signs isn't due to them being simple. Actually, I wouldn't consider any of the signs simple.

I dont think I ever said they were simple, and, remember, I specified that we are talking about unevolved fire and earth signs, not fire and earth signs in general.

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First of all, fire signs tend to be blunt probably because they are impatient. They want to know what you are trying to say RIGHT NOW. The earth signs can be blunt because they tend to be focused on getting things done and don't want to deal with a lot of verbal diarrhea.

I agree. But we aren't talking about "verbal diarrhea", lol. We're talking about matters involving subtlety, nuance, and depth. There is a LAtin Proverb which states: "It is done quickly enough if it is done well." The problem with the impatience of unevolved fire signs is that it compromises the integrity of whatever is under consideration. The same goes for unevolved earth signs, when they hurry things into action without appreciating the bigger picture.

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While this bluntness can make them seem rude, they really don't mean anything by it most of the time.

I agree, many of them don't. But many of them do. I've seen this attitude, probably more than any other, in people with short tempers and no interest in how the other guy thinks or feels or experiences the world. It's practically a cliche, as I see it.

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posted November 08, 2009 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
quote:

my personal favorite is Keagan's constructive developmental theory. This theory says that highest order indivduals are so advanced in their thinking, have very wholistic, intricate and complicated thinking patterns. These individuals are capable of bringing transformations. These develomental orders in order of increasing levels are:

impulsive
opportunist
diplomat
technician
achiever
strategist
alchemist
ironist



Interesting, Emma. The ironist sounds like me. I'm an aphorist, and I make liberal use of irony. For example: "Humility works hard to satisfy its pride." My thoughts are so elaborate, comprehensive, multi-faceted, and multi-layered, that I have tremendous difficulty making myself understood to most people. In my frustration, I express myself with some terse paradox or peculiar declarative statement, always aware that there's so much else to say that can never be circumferenced. The more you talk, the more you have to talk, because your view is unique, and every word you choose connotes so much that's unintended, and carries so much baggage that must be dropped before anyone can hear what you have to say. Also, the more you say, the more you touch upon all there is to touch upon. And that includes your unique take on all there is to touch upon, all of which cries out for another explanation. It can be exhausting when you're determined to be understood. (Especially if folks expect you to stay on topic, lol.)


A published selection of my aphorisms,
though not necessarily the best of them:

Grains Of Salt

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posted November 09, 2009 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

MVM,


It's not that I can't appreciate the ad hominem argument. But, while it may be relied upon in a debate over what is sympathetic, it has no bearing on what is true. Something is or is not, regardless of how it makes us feel. You may want to avoid the issue of soul development because it makes you feel uncomfortable, and you may have very good reasons for this. But that has nothing to do with whether or not the issue itself exists and has relevance for us. If you ask me, denying the subject altogether is no better than emphasizing the blow or boon it may deliver to human vanity. And you are doing both. Before we decide to cover it up just because some people will use it to boost their egos and others will be made insecure, let's start by determining whether or not it is true. I think the most mature way to deal with it is to discuss it openly and honestly and try not get our egos involved. Just because somebody sees themselves as more evolved than another, doesn't mean he/she has to feel arrogance over this. As you pointed out, it is all relative. It's hard to feel proud when we look down on others if we know there are others looking down on us.

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posted November 09, 2009 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Gawd almighty.

Have fun in your sandbox, little boy.

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posted November 09, 2009 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

some light reading for you, MVM:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite

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posted November 09, 2009 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
interesting thoughts at the link you sent @valus

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posted November 09, 2009 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Moving thread to LLC2.

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