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lotion
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posted November 11, 2009 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotion     Edit/Delete Message
(I have posted this in the Soul Union section but posting on here again to get more exposure...)

The man I love is going through a personal crisis right now. Onset by the saturn/pluto square, and also the beginning of his saturn return in late degrees of Libra.

He is so discouraged in his studies right now. He lost his job (of 12 years) this summer and it has had a very big affect on him. He is studying to me a lawyer but chances are becoming more and more slim. He said he feels alone in this world and that maybe he's "got it all wrong" and that he doesn't know what he's doing. He is totally lost and discouraged from life. Some of the things he said really worries me...

All I can do is listen to him. And it really hurts me that he is feeling like that and i can't do anything about it...

Can anyone here give me (or him) any advice on his crisis? Or has anyone here experienced anything like this, or has dealt with an identity crisis in a loved one? Please share your experience ...

this is his chart and transits:

Any advice, astrological or not, is much appreciated.

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blue moon
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posted November 11, 2009 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, there is a mistake here, Saturn is currently at 0* Libra. That is 20* off his Saturn, he is not experiencing his return.

The planet that is getting hit is Mars at 27* Virgo. It has been battered by the current Saturn/Pluto activity and he's not out of the woods yet as Saturn will retrograde back into Virgo.

The energy of Mars is being cramped by Saturn's limitations, but Saturn is not all bad. He also brings form and structure. He might ride out the storm better by thinking of this as time to formulate plans and think about what he really wants for the future.

I think you are doing plenty, you are listening, it's a fine quality that is often in short supply. He shouldn't be too discouraged, this stage of his life will pass in a few months.

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When Saturn transits conjunct Mars:

The purpose of this transit is to cool your passions in some manner, to conserve your energy for what truly matters, and to discipline your approach to getting what you want from life. Circumstances may be such that you are required to exercise restraint in your life now. You may be encountering resistance or blockages if you push yourself too hard, assert yourself too strongly, or express anger in an excessive manner. Something may happen now that restricts your freedom of movement in some manner, and you are in the position to redirect your energies. Initially, you might feel frustrated and thwarted, or you may experience a lack of drive and enthusiasm. As the transit progresses, you will be learning to direct your energies into endeavors that are truly helpful and useful to you. You might also be learning to curb some of the excesses in your life, as well as to go about getting what you want in a more mature, temperate, and moderate manner. You will be examining the ways you express your anger, how that has hindered you in the past, and how you might better do so in the future.



http://www.cafeastrology.com/saturntransitaspects.html


Virgo Mars has high standards and produces quality. On a bad day it can get stuck in the rut of wanting to stay with an establish pattern and plan of doing something, even when it is proving unfruitful. It can slip into a martydom attitude.

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belgz
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posted November 11, 2009 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
i dont believe it has anything to do with sat/plu if you look at his chart ur b.f has uranus going over his midheaven. Its affecting home and career and its probably turning his life upside down and its not in his hands. He also had a long saturn square moon transit which is bad and depressing enough. I hope things pick up for him. My b.f also has cancer rising and went through same ura transit. They got liquidated and it was an awful 2 yrs.

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posted November 11, 2009 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotion     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, bluemoon, for correcting me on that and come to think of it he has been feeling like this for quite some time now and the whole saturn/pluto activity is just highlighting his struggle i guess...
thanks again for your kind words, listening is definitely not an easy task. it really takes a lot out of you even though you are not technically "doing anything"...
for him to then say things like "you don't understand me at all" just makes me even more sad

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posted November 11, 2009 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotion     Edit/Delete Message
Hi belgz, thank you for pointing that out, i have completely missed the tr saturn/moon activity...
its funny because that's exactly what happened to the store my bf worked at too. I hope it wasn't too tough on you...

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posted November 11, 2009 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
transiting saturn on mars and tr uranus on MC are 2 opposing type of energies and it can Be hell for a virgo mars (i'm one)

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DiandraReborn25
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posted November 11, 2009 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
hi lotion

your post sounds like one of mine some time ago when i complained about my bf too

your bf has a similar chart,although his placements are different..but regarding houses,the transits of my bf are more "behind" of your bf´s.

seems to be that my bf will pass the ones your talking about,but not yet.

the cancer asc ( just like my loved one)makes them very sensitive,it is easy for them to feel lonely and that the world isnt there for them at all.

i know all that you are passing rhough and i think you do best on listening..being there for him.that is all we can do really.

they want to feel that they have someone who loves them and that are there for them.Believe me he is appreciating that very much.

Uranus on his MC-that is why he lost the job.uranus shows sudden changes.and like others said..the saturn cj mars is hard..and look saturn is passing his 4th of hme and family.
for cancerians this is hard because they place a lot of importance on family issues.

he has pluto and saturn there..natally...did he had problems on his upbringing?my bf has saturn and pluto there too..i know what that is too..

pluto in his 6th shows transformation on his daily routines too..

as with everything this will pass...be patient dear.

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Diana
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posted November 11, 2009 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
I can't really add anything. I am wondering why he wants to be a lawyer/what kind of lawyer he wants to be, because it doesn't realy fir with his chart. Not that it means he wouldn't be good but I am wondering if he's one of the (many) who go to law school because they don't know what else to do.

ETA I can add something. He has T. NN on his SN. That's a biggie and not an easy one to take.

He also just had a MAJOR eclipse on his AC. Eclipses to the AC are one of the hardest.

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Happy Dragon
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posted November 11, 2009 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
skimmed thru ..
saw chart over in su ..

noted that ..
the threesome .. jupt. nept. chiron .. now in aquarius
are at a square to his natal chiron in taurus ..
( and opposite his 2nd house )
'self-value' comes to mind .. i.e with regards to 'taurus' and the second house

jupt. nept. chiron .. they've been about there for quite a while ..
( .. i've sun at 23 taurus 'n have been watching that lot .. :-)

although looking at this .. they seem to be separating .. xcept for t'jupiter
( i.e. from the square to natal chiron )
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posted November 12, 2009 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotion     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Diandra,
thanks for sharing your experience
yes, cancer asc really is extremely sensitive, and i think it even harder for him because he has sun/moon opposition... :S it feels like sometimes he is so unsure about what he's doing/feeling but he tries to hard to cover up that uneasiness...

well from his stories about his childhood, his mother and father fought a lot. And he admitted that he is more like his mother in terms of personality traits but he doesn't want to be (and tries to repress/control that side of him) He really looks up to his father.

He just left for a family vacation with his parents and i guess it is a good thing for him to get away for a while.

thanks again, and yes i guess all i can do is be patient and be there for him. I'm just so afraid to say the wrong things sometimes :S

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posted November 12, 2009 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotion     Edit/Delete Message
Diana, thanks for bringing up the career aspect of this. He wants to be a lawyer to help people who can't afford a lawyer to fight all the injustice in this world. It's very ideological but he is really passionate about helping ppl who are less privileged in society.

He is talking about giving up on school but i know he'll regret it one day cuz he has worked so hard for everything and it's heart breaking to see him throw that all away.
Do you see anything in the chart that would indicate his career?

wow, that eclipse on the asc business sounds very intense, moon is his chart rule which would effect him on a even more profound level. I'm wonder, belgz and diandra, was the eclipse close to your bfs' asc, if so did you guys feel anything change with ur guys?

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posted November 12, 2009 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotion     Edit/Delete Message
Happy dragon, i sure hope the gang breaks up soon! i'm associating the whole swine flu hoax with the threesome. Hope your sun is faring well

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