posted November 11, 2009 07:55 AM              

Orban and Zinnel have discovered that the horoscope for the moment at which the
Sun first traverses the position of Mars in the birth chart is an expression of
the sub-personality corresponding to Mars. Like a solar horoscope, the chart for
this moment can be interpreted as a “natal chart” for that person’s Mars-personality, the Mars persona chart.

The persona chart for the Sun is the natal chart itself. There are bound to be
astrologers in the future who will who will set up Chiron personas, personas for
the Moon’s nodes, the ascendant and so on.

The fascinating thing about
persona charts is that the basic idea is so convincing – that in passing,
the Sun awakens the sub-personalities.

Interpreting Persona Charts

Here is a very short guide to the interpretation of persona charts, according to Orban and Zinnel.

The Moon Persona Chart

The feminine in us, our feeling worlds, the inner child, emotional security.
This tells us a lot about the inner life of a person.

The Mercury Persona Chart

Outward mobility, articulation, intelligence, communicating with the outer
world, dealing with daily necessity.

The Venus Persona Chart

Joy in the senses, Eros and sexual pleasure, sensual delight, the way we relate
to other people, problems we might have to deal with in relationships.

The Mars Persona Chart

The inner warrior, self-assertion, how one takes a stand, the kinds of battles
one fights, with what means one fights them and to what purpose.

The Jupiter Persona Chart

The meaning of life, the inner therapist, where we put the
“religion” in our lives.

The Saturn Persona Chart

The law, our mission in life, things fate wants to teach us and things we
don’t like to learn.

The Uranus Persona Chart

Where to let go, where to be free, and where we find the “fool” and
“jester”.

The Neptune Persona Chart

The search for truth, pushing past falsehood to what lies beyond.

The Pluto Persona Chart

The battle with demons, with forces that want to keep us from life. Fixed images
and ideologies.

When working with persona charts, one should bear the following points in mind:

1) The most important sub-personality is the “Ruler of 1”. For
example, anyone with an ascendant in Libra should take a good look at their
Venus persona chart. The persona chart for the planet which rules the ascendant
can give us a lot of insight.

2) The persona chart for the Moon tells us about the feminine energies of a
person. Just as the natal chart is the Sun-persona chart or Yang-chart, so the
Moon persona chart is the Yin-chart. In this sense it is the horoscope of the
anima, the feminine counterpart. Tuning in to her means going in search of her
story.

3) The ascendant of a persona chart leads us deeply into the unconscious. It
shows where the unconscious strives toward the light.

4) The Sun in a persona chart is regarded as the ego of the sub-personality. Not
as THE EGO!! Saturn too has an “ego”, a will-to-be. The persona-ego
is always partly familiar, since the Sun occupies the zodiacal degree of the
planet involved. However, there is no way in which we can tell which house it
will be in. This tells us considerably more about how the sub-personality will
behave.

posted November 11, 2009 08:59 AM              

Have you ever looked at your Valentine Persona Chart?

I wonder...IQ said that he had only looked for the regular ones like venus,mars,saturn and MC.

posted November 11, 2009 10:19 AM            

I think asteroid personas will be felt in the frame they are valid in natal, too.
Maybe a bit more subtle then the obvious planets.

No, I haven`t looked at the Valentine one, or have I?

BTW the book was an interesting read, definitely. I am not buying everything they write, but they have interesting ideas.
I liked this thought that the Sun is illuminating each persona in our chart, and how they consider the chart to be a stage, and your life to be the drama that is being played, and how the planets become actors.
It really opens up a more creative approach to astrology.

You know, even for simple interpretation.

For example:
Venus is the princess-character.
My Venus is in Capricorn.
So the princess in my play is rather reserved, maybe even a bit strict, not easy to approach.
It`s sort of an "emirite-princess" (just one of the possible interpretations).
Venus in 1st house: this reserved princess is often being found in the foreground, in the very apparent places in the castle (1st house), maybe even in front of the castle, the entry-room, where you welcome guests.

And voila, the play already starts developing, doesn`t it?

Anyway, back to the persona charts.

So I did a Valentine persona for me.

Any t houghts?

posted November 11, 2009 10:31 AM              

in libra: the sign of beauty and arts.if someone has the sun or ac or mars here..i can really see true love here perhaps?

eros/valent cj in 11h:true love associated with erotic energy in the house of hopes and dreams what a nice combo!and in cap makes me think of a serious and reserved kind of love.

Moon cj IC in Gem:your deepestself associates with strong emotional energie in the sign of the comunication.but it might show a duplicity of traits isnst it?

VX/Juno in Virgo:committmed with fate in the sign of the purity and perfection.

sun/merc/nn in scorpio:could it be that you want a man who is intense,misterious,somehow provocative and interested in discovering you at your deepest self?

dont really know what im talking about isnt it?hihihi

posted November 11, 2009 11:43 AM            

thanks for the interpretation. I appreciate it very much.

"Venu/Pluto cj in Libra:very intense,powerful deep sex attraction."
And that is part of my true love, right?

"f someone has the sun or ac or mars here."
You know what is funny?

Andy has a Mars-Destinn-conjunction on 9 Libra (exact on my natal Pluto).

"eros/valent cj in 11h:true love associated with erotic energy in the house of hopes and dreams what a nice combo!and in cap makes me think of a serious and reserved kind of love."
Maybe it is one explanation for my attraction for Capricorns, especially with Mars or Sun there?

"sun/merc/nn in scorpio:could it be that you want a man who is intense,misterious,somehow provocative and interested in discovering you at your deepest self?"
Oh yeah, I definitely want THAT.

Interestingly the persona`s Moon is exact conjunct my Karma. And persona`s IC falls not only on my tropical DESC and SN, but also conjuncts my Draco Moon.
So I guess I have already met my true love in a past life, probably.

"i would like to see how that "man we both know who he is" is conected to this chart "
LOL You want to know?

So the "man we both know who he is":

My Persona`Sun conjunct his Mars (as my Valentine conjuncts his Mars in natal)

my Persona`s Moon exact conjunct his Saturn and oppose his Venus

my Persona`S DESC exact conjunct his Isis

my Persona`s MC exact conjunct his ASC
my Persona`s MC conjunct his Venus (and Neptune)

My persona`s Venus and Pluto conjunct his MC on 8 Libra

my persona`s Valentine and Eros conjunct his Sun, Kaali and Parvati
my Persona`s Valentine and Eros oppose his Valentine and Osiris

my Persona`s Karma conjunct his Pluto exact (that Karma-Pluto-aspect also occurs in the Dracos, as my Persona`s Karma conjuncts my Draco Karma)

posted November 11, 2009 11:49 AM            

my Persona`s Vertex and Juno conjunct his Angel exact

my Persona`s Osiris opposes his Angel

My Persona`s Angel conjunct his Destinn and True Node

posted November 11, 2009 11:56 AM            

yes, that is interesting. Actually I noticed that my Valpers Valentine is conjunct another member`s Valentine and MC. I guess LL is my true love. Or at least certain members here.

Diandra,

I got curious and looked at HIS persona chart (Valentine) in aspects to my natal chart.

His persona Sun (tr Valentine) opposes my Venus, Isis and Osiris and conjuncts my Draco Juno exact on 6 Cancer

his Persona Moon conjunct my DESC (and Dr Moon) and opposes my Mars, Amor, Atlantis, Angel

his Persona DESC conjunct my Psyche
his Persona ASC conjunct my Cupido

his persona MC exact conjunct my asteroid Actor and also PoM and Eros-Psyche-mp. Now he know what his purpose in life is.

his Persona Mars exact conjunct my IC

his Persona jupiter exact on my Pallas

his Persona Saturn exact opposite my Sun

his Persona Uranus conjunct my DNA

his Persona Neptune conjunct my Mars and ASC

his Persona True Node not only exactly conjuncts his own Sun, but it also conjuncts my Venus, Isis and Osiris

his Persona Chiron conjuncts my Chiron exact

his Persona Eros opposes my Psyche

his Persona Isis opposes my Moon

posted November 11, 2009 01:13 PM            

My Pers Sun conjunct his Mars
my Pers Moon opposes his Venus
his Pers Sun opposes my Venus
his Pers Moon opposes my Mars

What is there left to say?

my Pers Moon conjunct his Saturn
his Pers Saturn oppose my Sun

(he is someone presenting lessons to me? No wonder he is a Cappy then)

my Pers DESC conjunct his Isis
his Pers DESC conjunct my Psyche

my Pers MC conjunct his ASC

my Pers MC conjunct his Venus
my Pers Venus conjunct his MC
his Pers Mars conjunct my IC

my Pers MC conjunct his Neptune
his Pers Neptune conjunct my ASC

of course these are not so uninteresting either

my pers VAlentine and Eros conjunct his Sun
my pers Valentine and Eros opposes his Valentine and Osiris

my pers Karma conjunct his Pluto

my pers Angel conjunct his True Node and Destinn

his Pers Sun opposes my Venus, Isis and Osiris
his Pers True Node conjuncts my Venus, Isis and Osiris

his Pers Moon conjunct my DESC

his Pers Eros opposes my Psyche

I know I have only considered conjunction and opposition but I really like his

posted November 11, 2009 03:11 PM              

that is why i asked hihihihi

Mr Dreamy guy is very conected with your persona Valentine.

we already knew that your true love had already met you in the past.did you looked at atlantis there?

posted November 11, 2009 03:37 PM              

i ve only looked at conjunctions mostly.

PERSONA TO NATAL

JOhn´s

-Karma cj my quiron 0
- DSC cj my IC 2
- NN cj my Isis 3/NN4/Vesta 2
- Venus and SUN cj my FELICITAS 0
- Moon cj my ABundantia 0
- Veus cj my Adorea 0
- Osiris cj my VX
- Alma ch my Juno
- Isis cj my Node 1 / vesta/PF
- Kaali cj my ASC 1
- PROSERPINA cj my Psych 1 opose Moon 1
- SIVA opose my Venus 1
- his GROOM CJ MY DSC 1 !!
- HIS JUNO cj my DSC 2!!!
- his PERSEPHONE cj my VX 2
- his EROS cj my Juno 1

MY

- SPIRIT cj his Alma 1
- IC cj his abundantia/VX
- NN cj his ADOREA 0
- Jupiter opose his Isis/Osiris 0/2
- Osiris cj his NN 1
- Alma opose his Hanna 1
- Sun and Isis trine his VX 1
- Valentine cj his Venus/PROSERP wide
- Karma cj his venus/PROSER wide 4
- karma cj his Sun wide 4
- VENUS cj his KAALI 1
- KAALi cj his Moon 1 wide cj his kaali 4
- PROSERPINA opose his Sun 2
- PERSEPHONE opose his Groom 1
- GROOM wide conjunc his NN 4
- SIVA opose his Hanna 0
- EROS cj his groom/VX 1
- VX cj his KAALI wide 4
- BRIEDE CJ HIS GROOM 1

posted November 11, 2009 03:50 PM            

"we already knew that your true love had already met you in the past.did you looked at atlantis there?"
Not really.
Just because Atlantis is tied to my NN and ASC.

my Pers Atlantis opposes his Psyche
my Pers Atlantis trines his Sun

his Pers Moon opposite my Atlantis

Oh now that is intersting:

His Pers Atlantis trine my Atlantis and True Node

his Pers Juno conjunct my ASC, True Node and Atlantis

I liked those of yours especially, or thought that they look significant:

"PERSONA TO NATAL

JOhn´s

-Karma cj my quiron 0
- DSC cj my IC 2
- NN cj my Isis 3/Vesta 2
- Isis cj my Node 1 / vesta/PF
- Kaali cj my ASC 1
- his GROOM CJ MY DSC 1 !!
- HIS JUNO cj my DSC 2!!!
- his EROS cj my Juno 1

MY

- Osiris cj his NN 1
- KAALi cj his Moon 1
- BRIEDE CJ HIS GROOM 1

What I find spectacular is the fact that his Pers Isis conjuncts your NN and your Pers Osiris conjunct his NN. That is so WOW!
Your purpose it is to become each other`s true love soulmate, I would interprete, if I was a romantic, and as you know I am.

posted November 11, 2009 04:15 PM            

My Persona - his natal

my Moon exact opposes his Osiris

My Venus conjunct his Mars and Destinn
my Venus opposite his Valentine
my Pluto conjunct his Mars and Destinn
my Pluto opposite his Valentine

my Mars opposes his Sun

my Jupiter conjunct his Valentine

my Saturn exactly conjunct his Jupiter-Karma-conjunction on 2 Leo.

my Valentine conjunct his Eros and Venus
my Eros conjunct his Eros and Venus

my Karma opposes his Kaali

his Persona - my natal

his Pers Moon conjunct my Pallas

his Pers Mars conjunct my Adonis and Union

his Pers Jupiter conjunct my Destinn

his Pers Saturn conjunct my IC

his Pers Pluto opposite my Juno

his Pers NN conjunct my Actor, PoM

his Pers Valentine opposes my Siva

his Pers Karma exact conjunct my Destinn on 23 Cancer
his Pers Karma conjunct my Eros and Vertex

his Pers Destinn conjunct my Pluto and MC

his Pers Amor conjunct my Psyche

And the third guy that is always interesting to look at (chart-wise)

my Persona - his natal

my Sun opposite his Valentine

my Jupiter conjunct his Sun

my Uranus opposite his VEnus

my SN exact conjunct his Juno
my SN conjunct his Moon

my Destinn opposite his Sun

my Juno conjunct his Pluto
my Juno opposite his Chiron

my Amor opposite his Pluto

His Persona - my natal

his Sun opposite my Valentine

his Moon opposite my Chiron
his Moon conjunct my DNA

hsi Mercury exact on my Karma

his Mars exact on my Chiron

his Jupiter conjunct my Jupiter

his Saturn conjunct my Pallas
his SN Conjunct my Pallas

his Chiron conjunct my Jupiter

his Valentine exact conjunct my SN
his Valentine conjunct my DESC
his Valentine opposite my Neptune
his VAlentine opposite my Atlantis
his VAlentine opposte my Angel

his Karma opposite my Valentine

his Juno conjunct my Karma

posted November 11, 2009 05:01 PM            

Hi girls!!! hehe

posted November 11, 2009 07:00 PM            

I missed you too!

OK i'll look... btw i sent you an email so if you don't get it because of my idiotic mac account, let me know!

posted November 11, 2009 07:10 PM              

i was thinking how strange it was not to see you here lately!

DD

WOW REALLY...i didnt realised me and J had that DW hihihi seems really rare ....and romantic!!!!

that second guy seems more karmic due to the saturn-karma isnt it?and the saturn/ic.

the 3rd one: D of sun/valentine;lot of quiron there...but i liked that his Valentine cj your dsc and aspected angel/atlantis/neptune

But my favorite one is your 1st guy always! of course...i knew it!he even also had those ATLANTIS ASPECTS with you hihihi amazing!

posted November 11, 2009 07:30 PM            

his ASC/PSYCHE opp my Adonis/Psyche (1)
(cj my dr soulie and his natal osiris/DC)

his SUN cj my KAALI (1)
his SUN opp my GROOM (1)
(his SUN cj my dr PLUTO (0) and opp my dr DNA (0) and cj his natal VALENTINE (0) )

his VENUS cj my VALENTINE (2)
(cj his natal persephone)

his MARS cj my IC (0)
(cj his Atlantis and opp his MOON)

his SATURN opp my MOON/VENUS/TUT (1)
his NEPTUNE opp my MOON/VENUS/TUT (0)
(cj his NEPTUNE and opp his EROS)

his PLUTO trine my VENUS (1)
his NN cj my SEKHMET (1)
his NN opp my LUST (0)
his VERTEX opp my MOON/VENUS (0)
his JUNO cj my NORFRETETE (0)
his JUNO opp my DESTINN (1)
his VALENTINE cj my BODA (2)
his VALENTINE opp my SPIRIT (1)
his DESTINN trine my VENUS (2)
his LUST cj my ATLANTIS (0)
his EROS cj my AC (1)
his UNION opp my RUDRA (1)
his AMOR cj my EROS (2)
his CUPID cj my LUST (2)

my PERSONA / his NATAL
my ASC cj his ASTARTE (0)
my SUN opp his LUST (0)
my SUN opp his first name (1)
my SUN cj his NORFRETETE (2) PERSEPHONE (2)
my MOON cj his ISHTAR (2)
my VENUS cj his SEKHMET (2) ATEN (1)
my MARS cj his DESTINN (0)
my SATURN cj his EROS (2)
my NEPTUNE cj his ADONIS (0)
my NEPTUNE opp his venus/mars midpoint (1)
my PLUTO cj his SIVA (2)
my NN cj his sun/,moon midpoint (1)
my VERTEX cj his ASTARTE (0)
my JUNO opp his VENUS (0)
my VALENTINE cj his KAALI (3) ATLANTIS (3)
my VALENTINE opp his MOON (0)
my KARMA opp his VENUS (2)
my DESTINN opp his BRIEDE (2)
my APHRODITE cj his LARA (0) AMOR/DESTINN (1)
my LUST cj his VALENTINE (0)
my PSYCHE cj his PSYCHE (0)
my UNION cj his BRIEDE (2) DNA/INNANEN/IMHOTEP (0)
my AMOR opp his ADONIS (0)
my CUPID cj his ATLANTIS (2)
my CUPID opp his MOON (1)

EDIT - will have to finish draco aspects tomorrow!!

posted November 12, 2009 10:30 AM            

"OW REALLY...i didnt realised me and J had that DW hihihi seems really rare ....and romantic!!!!"
Yes, I mean, you know what IQ said about Isis and Osiris, don`t you?
Personally I like Isis and Osiris more than for instance Zeus and Hera, but maybe that is just my personal taste.

"that second guy seems more karmic due to the saturn-karma isnt it?and the saturn/ic."
More karmic than what?

Anyway yes, I think it is a very karmic connection. On the other hand I thought the DW of Venus-Valentine was really sweet. Actually we have that in DRaco, too.
His DRaco Venus conjunct my Valentine.

Maybe I will have a look at the Saturn and Karma and SN persona chart with him.

"
the 3rd one: D of sun/valentine;
Yes, because we have an opposition between Valentine-Valentine natally, and sicne the natal Valentine position equzals the persona charts Sun - eh voila!

"But my favorite one is your 1st guy always! of course..."
Of course, and yet he is not the one who feels most intense to me.

"i knew it!he even also had those ATLANTIS ASPECTS with you hihihi amazing!"
I haven`t checked for ATlantis in the other cases.