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belgz
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posted November 13, 2009 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
OK this is just for fun i want to check how accurate these horary charts are..

I asked a question "If i will fall pregnant this month"

Heres the chart i got... Does anyone know the answer?

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belgz
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posted November 13, 2009 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Disregard the transits though i dont know why i did that i mustve dont the chart looking at tomorrow lol

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posted November 13, 2009 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Belgz,

I`m not good at this, but will tell you what I think.

I think for a potential pregnancy you see if the ruler of ASC and 5th house are in applying aspect. Also the Moon as your significator in relationship to ruler of 5th could point to a Yes.

For a pregnancy you probably also have to look if the respective rulers are in so called fertile signs.


The ruler of the ASC is in Scorpio; I think Mercury is peregrine in Scorpio, so it is not a very strong placement for the significator (you), but not really bad either.
Maybe it points to the urgency of this wish (Scorpio is also the sign of obsession, but I find that a bit hard; obsession is always a negative interpretation; and the more neutral expression would be "intensity". So you have an intense interest and Curiosity (Gemini at ASC) for this question. Does the ASC somehow conjunct any of your natal planets?).

Moon is in Libra, and I think it is not a strong position for the moon either, but as a sign Libra is about balance and partnership.

The ruler of the 5th house (you always use the traditional rulers for horary), Mars is in Leo. That seems to be a strong position for Mars.

But neither of your significators has a reception with Leo.

Mars on the other hand, the significator of the child or birth, rules Scorpio, the sign your main significator is in. I guess this points again to the urgency of your wish.

In a relationship horary this would point to an onesided attraction / relationship, if I recall it right. I don´t know what it means in regards to this question though.

Anyway the most important thing is if there are any (positive) aspects.

Moon sextiles Mars. That would be a (weakly) positive aspect.

So there might be a chance, but seeing that it is only one weak aspect and there is no mutual reception, I am really not sure it is actually going to happen this month. Sorry.

EDIT:
Your significator Mercury is in Scorpio, and I think, all watersigns are considered fertile.
But it is making no aspects.

The Moon on the other hand, which makes the sextiles with the 5th house ruler Mars, is in Libra, while Mars is in Leo.

Libra is semi-fertile, but Leo is barren.

It looks as if you want this child now, but the child doesn`t want to come to you yet.

Just from this horary. And I know I can be completely wrong.


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belgz
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posted November 13, 2009 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Well the ascendant conjuncts my moon (4 orb)

And venus exactly trines my mars. The chart ruler mercury makes an exact quincunx to my natal moon.

Actually all my cancer planets fall in the first house. I dont know if that makes a difference but ive always wondered if it was ever worth understanding these charts and whether they really are accurate..

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posted November 13, 2009 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I don´t know if they are accurate either. I guess it also depends on the astrologer`s skills.

I only read to look, if the ASC or the house that rules the significator (ASC in this case), relates to the natal chart.
In your case the ASC is in your moonsign and even conjunct, which makes much sense, cause one symbols of Moon is the "mother" or the maternal instinct. So it describes clearly the question here.

A gemini ASC on its own is not so clearly descriptive for a question about childbirth, but it becomes descriptive in relation to your natal chart.

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posted November 13, 2009 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
NO YOU WON'T GET PREGNANT THIS MONTH.

AC ruler and 5th rulers not in aspect.

mercury/mars

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posted November 13, 2009 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

that was my first thought, too.

But then I remembered that the Moon is being seen as a second significator for the querent, too.

I am always wondering, which one is the one with the final verdict?
I would assume, ASC-ruler. But I am not sure.

Well, in relationship horaries, it seems to be that Moon is relating to the emotional state of the person.
Maybe it is here the same?
That there is an emotional wish or need, but no strength to actually manifest it physically (as per ASC)?

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posted November 13, 2009 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I don't use secondaries when it's a straight YES/NO question cos i feel that otherwise, anything can be a yes! haha


Yeah, the first thing i thought when i read this thread is that Belgz is really, in truth, DYING to get pregnant and have this read a YES!!

Sorry Belgz... let go, flow with the autumn wind and allow Nature to create xx

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posted November 13, 2009 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
HAHAHAHAH yes i was upset but it didnt suprise me I guess i was relying on my lunar return chart to be accurate since my lunar return chart 5th house ruler is conjunct my natal 5th house ruler. I dont know whether to believe in these horary charts unless it comes up accurate.

As soon as u both said no i lost hope in this month and asked again about next month.
Using your technique i got a yes!! lol So now im back to being happy :P

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posted November 13, 2009 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
ummm sorry but NO ASPECT BETWEEN

SUN AND SATURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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DiandraReborn25
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posted November 13, 2009 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
im gonna be honest here

sont out your faith on horary dear...ive used it before in very important matters and it was way off

i went to that forum of astrologers comunitty,and for each area of life,i asked specific things....all of the three were inacurate.

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posted November 13, 2009 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
But its jupiter on the 5th house cusp

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posted November 13, 2009 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Im going to try getting very drunk tomorrow night and then having sex i think that will work. Everyone i know falls pregnant plastered drunk.

All i need is 2 drinks and ill be hanging off the walls

I might be more relaxed then not thinking about it.. Im at an 'over it' stage springing backwards and forwards.

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posted November 13, 2009 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Belgz,

actually, there is an aspect between Sun and Jupiter, but it is a separating square, and only applying aspects will point to a YES.
Also, you can only post the same question once a day, or you will definitely get wrong results.
Otherwise we could modify our charts until we make them fit.

But really, just throw this stuff away, and enjoy the relationship with your man. You can`t force a pregnancy to happen, and usually these things happen when they are unexpected.
I guess the universe has its own timing for this.

Enjoy your evening and night.

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Lara
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posted November 13, 2009 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
OK so you wanna have a SQUARE applying aspect as a YES?

ok... lol

Personally, i would rather have a no for now

Belgz, can i just say "forget horary - you don't need it hon... just TRUST IN THE UNIVERSE!!!!!"

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posted November 13, 2009 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

nope, not really.

Even though I have read some horary interpretation, in which the answer was actually YES, but usually with the square there are either obstacles or when you get it, you don´t want it anymore, and most of the times it is equal to a NO anyway.


And yes, I second that advice you gave Belgz.

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posted November 13, 2009 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
Belgz,


I should give you my SR for this year. I have a stellium in the 5th. Last time I had that i became pregnant. I just realized it and started a thread on it. I do NOT want to become pregnant.

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posted November 13, 2009 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Belgz, are you actively trying to get pregnant? Like making sure to check when you're ovulating, and all that?

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belgz
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posted November 13, 2009 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
i check everything! His sperm count is a bit low but still in average.

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posted November 13, 2009 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Hmm it's said that you should only ask the same question after a few months. Also, for better confirmation of the answer being either positive or negative, you have to see the same confirmation for at least 3 times in the chart.
While applying aspects mean what's coming, separating aspects means what happened.
In the horary chart, usually the AC ruler and the Moon both symbolizes the querent.

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posted November 13, 2009 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
DD hehe

Belgz - have sex 2 days prior to ovulation.

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posted November 14, 2009 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Well im ovulating on Tuesday and according to this lunar phase thing that is exact on sunday at 13:23pm which is 2 days before my ovulation.

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posted November 14, 2009 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Happt sex filled Sunday Belgz

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posted November 14, 2009 04:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Hahahahahah thankyou!

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posted November 14, 2009 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Belgz,
Have you looked at the Jonas Method?

About the Lunar Conception Method
1. The Discovery

In the middle of 1950s a young Slovakian doctor named Eugen Jonas has discovered something completely unknown to the contemporary science: that in addition to the scientifically established hormonal cycle, women have another fertility cycle that resonates with the cycles of the Moon. He was led to this discovery by his interest in astrology that Dr. Jonas developed in his student years.

It all began from an assertion in an Assyrian source that Dr. Jonas happened to find in a library: "Woman is fertile during a certain phase of the Moon." But which exactly phase? After a lengthy period of research and endless calculations, he managed to find the answer. As he wrote himself, "Finally, on August 15, 1956, I arrived at the first three fundamental rules on conception, the determination of sex and life capability of the fetus, all of which can be precisely formulated" (quoted from [1]).

These three rules are:

1. The time of fertility occurs during the same phase of the Moon as that in which the woman was born. For instance, if the woman was born at the time of the Full Moon, when the Moon makes an angle of 180° with the Sun, the time of fertility during her adulthood will be whenever the Moon is full, and this independently of her menstrual cycle.

2. The sex of the future child will be determined by the position of the Moon during the time of the woman's fertility - whether the Moon is found in the male or in the female sign of the Zodiac.

3. Unfavorable distribution of gravitational forces of the near celestial bodies at the time of conception produces complications during pregnancy, particularly for the fetus.

These rules were officialy tested by experienced gynecologists (Dr. Kurt Rechnitz of Hungary was one of the most active researchers in this ares). It was discovered that on the lunar phase day a woman is usually significantly more fertile than on the day of ovulation in her hormonal cycle.

For more information on the work of Dr. Eugen Jonas and his clinic and on the official control tests of his method please refer to the books listed in the end of this article.
http://lunarconception.com/About.aspx

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