posted November 13, 2009 09:11 AM         

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Neptune conjunct Sun
Any Neptune aspect to the Sun is likely to have a distinct impact on the individual expression of personal power, identity and life direction, so it becomes important to create a positive approach to the Neptunian energy and especially so with the more influential aspects of the conjunction, square and opposition. The difficulty with an unintegrated or repressed Neptune is that its influence often appears to be negative, and with the conjunction aspect it is imperative to discover a way of joining this energy to the natural form of expression that the Sun sign indicates.

You will probably experience an ongoing challenge of self-confidence and of establishing a suitable and satisfying lifestyle and sense of purpose. The nebulous influence of Neptune's sea mists tends to confuse you, dissolving many of your intentions away, and making your sense of individual identity almost transparent at times as that personality centre seems to ebb and flow in tune with an inner tidal rhythm. Because of an inner experience associated with insubstantiality, you can lack the strength of a firm and fixed individuality, and this has the effect of diminishing confidence regarding your actual capabilities and will to achieve any objectives. You can find it hard to be consistent and to persevere through self-discipline and application for long periods of time. Your identity can appear to be periodically submerged by the powerful Neptune energy, dissolving plans and ambitions, and then leaving you washed ashore in another inner place wondering what to do next even before you have completed the last project.

That ethereal Neptunian music will invade your conscious mind, acting as a diverting distraction, and in some cases can influence the listener to becomes lost in the swirlings of his / her own hyperactive imagination, leading to self-delusions. Comfronting the stark realities of life is not always easy with a prominent Neptune. There is a tendency to build a private reality, one which excludes the dark sides of self and the world, establishing a veiled and limiting perspective of life which only generates activity by additional repression into the unconscious mind. Personal responsibility is avoided if possible, and all experiences are filtered through this restrictive veil, a state that if prolonger leads to inner and outer alientation.

Often these forms of self-delusion emanate from personal desires, emotions and sensitive feelings, as Neptune is associated with the plastic and pliable astral level. You may develop unusual needs and desires which are subtle, intangible yet peculiarly persistent, and you may feel inwardly driven to experience or actualise them in some way. For many, such hard-to-define feelings and yearnings create more confusion and self-deception, especially when attached to idealistic images of perfection and unrealistic expectations which can only bring disillusionment and disappointment in their wake. For the few, Neptune may bring genuine inspiration, although, even in such cases, this may become mixed with desires of self-elevation and ambitions, especailly in the sphere of the conjunction's house.

One of the hardest lessons for anyone with a close Neptune aspect is facing the realities of life. Neptune finds such confrontations almost inimical to its sensitivities, preferring to slide away instead of looking. You may have noticed such evasiveness in your life, manifesting in a variety of disguises through the years: the evasion of problems - the ostrich syndrome; the evasion of decision-making; the evasion of self-assertion; and the evasion of the effort to unfold your inner potential. It can then become difficult to ensure that your solar path is clear when the mists of Neptune descend, confusing directions and masking the signposts along the way.

The disguises of Neptune are legion, but their cumulative effect is considerable, gradually creating an unsatisfactory lifestyle and diminution of direction, meaning and purpose as the real self is lost under veils of escapism. We are all prone to this tendency, and it is this that keeps us spiritually asleep. 'Wake up' is the cry of the spirit, a waking up that gives us the experience of a direct, unfiltered confrontation with life; a connection to our solar centre, which is a light exposing all those shadowy corners. Facing the higher aspect of Neptune ie not a self-deluding experience either, but is a sobering one. An unintegrated Neptune may offer delusions and glamour, but integrating the Sun and Neptune is a path towards fusing the individual emotional level with the universal life, in a similar way as integrating Uranus-Sun fuses the mind through intuition with the universal mind.

Recognising the nagative expression of Neptune is the first step; the next is to choose to integrate this power into your life so that the positive dimension opens. There have undoubtedly been times when you have felt in full control, confident in yourself and your ability to achieve ambitions, only to pass into another phase when this confidence seeps away, dissolving as quickly as you try to hold on to it. This occurs when Neptune and the Sun are at odds with each other, where a fusion has not yet happened.

While this aspect can become a gateway to an inward turning, an entering of the inner worlds and mystical devotion, it is more useful to consider how an external expression of the energy can stimulate greater integration.

Neptune offers a variety of gifts that can be applied as creative expression, gifts which emanate from the inner seas and which are simultaneously a channel or path back into conscious contact with Neptune's realm and towards the higher social centre. These include art, music, poetry, drama, literature, pychism, mysticism. The potential is to reveal inspiration through such channels for the benefit of all who are capable of receiving the transmission. Unlocking inner doors so that creativity flows is extremely enriching, and shifts the level of consciousness; there can be dangers in unlocking the flood gates, as so many creative individuals have discovered, but in many ways it is a sacred task to reveal the numinosity of the light behind the material appearance.

Adding or developing a creative and artistic dimension to your life will be a means of integrating this Neptunian energy, as it will begin to flow into those particular channels that you have opened. Allied to this it will begin to display its positive face, as greater meaning, purpose and life direction have more cohesiveness and substance, and your solar path will be strengthened, offering a more permanent direction instead of periodically dissolving. Even if such creativity is purely for your own satisfaction, enjoyment and need for self-expression, over time you will become aware of the benefits that it can bring you. These talents may need deliberate training and development, but such time spent will be rewarding. Moving into this direction may require you to reconsider your whole lifestyle, as its influence will be profound, and understanding your individuality can be transformative.

Your type of employment may stand revealed as deeply unfulfilling and unsatisfactory, being restrictive rather than a positive factor; and this can pose the problem of an economic restructuring in your life. Finding a way of living that can satisfy those creative abilities may be difficult, but the alternative is even more damaging if you choose to turn your back on the seductive music of Neptune. Creativity or craftsmanship is the route that Neptune is indicating; or, alternatively, working with people in community service to be of social benefit. Perhaps through teaching, medicine, social work, you can contribute to others' welfare. This is a heart response to the music, equally significant, and satisfying that desire to be positive in the world.

Find a way which offers more freedom than traditional work strucutures, a way that encourages creativity or service to flow. In so doing, you unravel your Sun-path to travel along, and those times of confusion and indecision are relegated to memories. The potential of working with Neptune is considerable; Neptune can transform you if you are open to its promptings and messages. If you reject Neptune, then its waters will slowly erode away your dreams and desires, denuding you of power to achieve your aims, and leaving you with an unfulfilled life; it is wiser to acknowledge its inner promptings and try to change in accord with them. Neptune does not take kindly to being ignored, and makes its presence felt.

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posted November 13, 2009 03:40 PM         

Seriously, anyone?

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Sun conjunct Neptune

With Neptune aligned with their egos and their wills, people born under this aspect seek out some added dimension in their lives. Whether that is spiritual, artistic, or simply "different", there is some kind of quest for higher meaning with this aspect. Neptune acts to soften the will, which can translate to a weakened willpower and susceptibility or impressionability. On the other hand, it can also signify a person who doesn't want to be defined by the ego--someone who seeks to breakdown ego boundaries. Divine inspiration or a life of delusion? Much depends on the rest of the chart and how evolved the native is.

These people are dreamers and idealists. They resist being labeled or defined. It's truly hard to pin these people down. Neptune acts to heighten or add a dimension to whatever planet it contacts. With the Sun, there is a need to experience something more than the simple self. Those born under a Sun-Neptune conjunction may glamorize their role in the world, or they seek to connect to something higher than themselves. They want to be something special, and it can be easy, with this sensitivity, to feel disappointed with the ordinary grind. Their memories of their lives and their experiences can be far removed from reality.

Sometimes those with this aspect have dreamy ideas about men in general. There may have been a missing or weak father figure in early childhood. The experience of this confusing figure is carried with the child through life and is partly responsible for the grown-up child's identity problems. Sometimes it doesn't have to do with the father or father figure specifically, but early childhood featured a confusion of boundaries or a lack of clearly defined rules or direction.

A great appreciation for music is usually present, and often for other art forms. An attraction to spiritual and metaphysical subjects is usually characteristic of these people. A distinctly emotional and sensitive personality is also common. At their best, people with Sun conjunct Neptune in their charts are very compassionate and tolerant people. They are susceptible to being led astray or used, as they too readily believe in others' integrity.

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posted November 13, 2009 11:09 PM         

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How does it manifest in your life?
Do you struggle with your job?
Do you need a creative outlet?
What is your creative outlet?

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No, I don't struggle with my job -- my NN is in Cappy with Taurus MC and I like the stability.
Yes, a creative outlet is *essential* and I do beadwork (see KTAA thread).
I'm also lucky in that I get to do more structured creativity at work (software).....

My Neptune has run amuck in my life prior to now, but I feel lucky that the Neptune/Sun conj is tempered by Saturn/Sun: my Sun is equidistant between them.....

posted November 18, 2009 01:40 AM         

Neptune's difficult to talk about! I've been sitting here staring at the screen, not knowing where to start. I'm just going to jump in.

Since we were kids, "Infinity" has been one of the nicknames my younger brother has for me. My family and teachers used to say that I "just knew things." (Now don't think I'm up my own @ss - what I know is far outweighed by what I don't know. Most of which I don't even know that I don't know! J@ckass knowledge, holding out on me. ) My brother mythologized this ability. He'd say that whenever I needed guidance, I'd rub my earlobe as a cue for "Infinity" to come possess me. When I was in that zone, instead of calling me by my name he'd call me Infinity. He even gave Infinity a theme song. An appropriate nickname for someone with this conjunction, don't you think? But then, he has Neptune cnj his ASC, so he must've sensed my chart.

The way I see it, the Sun is an advocate for the self. Its role is to express the self and promote its interests. Neptune is an advocate for the all. So with those two conjunct, it's not natural for me to prioritize my self above someone else just because. Why is my life experience more valuable than someone else's? Just because it's the perspective of this self that I'm living from? To me, that's not a valid reason. I also don't consider your experience more valuable than mine or his or hers, just because it's "yours." Yes, we will experience our own pleasures and pains more intensely than we will someone else's (though perhaps not as hauntingly). Our experience of our feelings will guide us about what's true for ourselves, but we still must keep in mind a higher truth.

I'm not saying I'm unselfish. I'm not even saying selfishness is a bad thing. (I don't think it is.) It's just that instead of survival of the fittest, I believe in survival of the truest. I see Neptune as representing that higher truth and the Sun as providing our specific, limited truth via our identity. So for me, using that conjunction positively means honoring both of those truths - the whole, and our part in it.

Not getting that balance right is where problems can start. With this cnj, I can get into the habit of looking outside of myself - to an ethical code, the other person's needs, a mentor's goals for me, etc. - and creating a version of myself that lives as that. And that process is an honest process. It doesn't come from a desire to deceive. It's honest for a person with Sun cnj Neptune to idealize the self, to mold the self in accordance with a larger truth. But even with this conjunction, I'm just me. So I've had to train myself to reflect if the ideal I'm operating under contradicts what I know to be true for me. This requires faith, since it sometimes means that I must accept the suffering of others while still finding my own joy. For example, I may wish that I could devote my life to being a human rights lawyer, but if the daily practice of law leaves me desolate, I must accept that about myself and do what brings me pleasure. I must have faith that life's pieces fit like a jig-saw puzzle, and that I'm just one piece, not the whole d@mn picture. (Despite my Leo Moon's protests to the contrary, lol. It trines Neptune.)

Conversely, sometimes the Sun must submit to Neptune, even when doing so is incredibly difficult personally. I remember a specific time when I was 12 years old. My home life was difficult. And I was so weary from that, felt my Sun so beaten because I had no means of getting the home life I wanted. I've read that Neptune can bring escapism, but what I did was escape into reality. There's some lines in a Pearl Jam song that come to mind: "I'll ride the wave where it takes me. I'll hold the pain. Release me." Neptune can release the Sun from its personal will (and sufferings) by aligning the self with the all. I decided that reality was a lesson, and rather than forcing my identity onto life (since I couldn't), I would listen and learn all that I could from my reality. And it got me through. I was brave when my first instinct was to cower, outgoing and friendly when my instinct was to cry. So it's complicated, because yeah, there was an escape at times from my honest personal feelings, but mostly what happened is I expanded myself. I think if the personal will & identity are too fixed, we can break easily. I feel unbreakable because when I fall into Neptune, it doesn't feel like something foreign I'm becoming, just a larger, impersonal yet comforting perspective I'm living from, which then restructures my personal self. Or maybe this is Uranus cnj Mercury? Hmm...I think Uranus is a part of it, but it's more than my perspective being expanded. It's my self. I surrender until there's no battle between my personal will and life's events. I let those events become me. This is how I live with life's pain and still know happiness.

posted November 19, 2009 08:18 AM         

Sagittarius is the planet of expansion, growth, exploration and "the bigger picture".

Jupiter was once the traditional night-ruler of Pisces, signifying an expansive imagination and the comprehension of things useen but deeply felt by the native.

Since the discovery of Neptune, that line of thinking has subsided and Pisces has been assigned to slower moving Neptune.Personally,however, I still see a lot of similarities between a Jupiter and Pisces.

Extendng this theory of expansiveness in imagination on to Neptune, we can deduce that it is Neptune, not so much the famed Pluto, that is inherently secretive.

I noticed that this Sun-Neptune aspect was pivotal in the development of my inner resources in warding off boredom and depression in the years after wmy family and I moved homes.

Suddenly, I was in a new environment with no friends and no feeling of belonging. It was during this time that I felt isolated and my ego underwent profound transformation ."Who am I without the company of friends and dearly loved ones? Do I even know?".

During this time I withdrew unto myself and started to enjoy my own company; all I needed was music and my room(nothing else).

Perhaps it was teenhood rearing its ugly head but suddenly I was awkward, quiet and deeply introverted during this time. I also noticed how my inner confidence was inconsistent; sometimes I would feel fearless, while at other times, I would be too frightened to speak up. This confusion barely showed on the outside, but it was always there internally.

Now I am 25 years of age and I can honestly say that, in retrospect, whatever I went through back then was a blessing as I don't care too much for what people say and that saves me a lot of grief from having to pretend in order to "win" over their approval.

Yin

Its possible that your frien is looking for the "feeling" of being a rock star rather than the job itself. At the end of the day, even beinmg a rock star, has its business side and other politics. This will onfuse and dissapoint him a great deal because nowadays, music is more anout image and sex-appeal than about its pure form.

Unless he is willing to confront the more business-like attributes of the entertainmnet industry(not Neptune territory), he is unlikely to be happy there as well. Unless there is heavy capricorn energy/saturn placement in his chart.

posted November 21, 2009 06:38 PM         

Yin - No comments til I finish? Doh! But I'm never finished!

I get what you mean, Yin, when you mention that constant need to dig deeper. I agree with GW that it's partly Sag restlessness. I think Neptune exacerbates that and directs that restlessness towards spiritual reality. Sun cnj Neptune gives a longing to align your particular Self with what's spiritually Real. (I like to randomly capitalize. Do yoU?)

Essentially, this conjunction makes me feel myself as an individual person, but also as spirit. I'm loyal to something that feels more powerfully true than my personal self. I don't have complete trust in a rigid sense of self - it may be a trap that keeps me from growing closer to spirit. My aim is to serve that deeper reality, to discover and express my identity that is born from that spiritual center. The parts of myself not from there seem false, so ultimately without value. The conjunction makes me feel like I'm most myself (Sun) when I'm living most faithfully with that spirit (Neptune).

It's like there are layers: rigid personal identity born out of the material world on one end, God/Spirit/the All (however you conceptualize it) on the other. And in between (or conjunct ) there's my most honest, Real Self. It's from there that I want to live, to there that I give my loyalty, even when it costs my personal self by demanding it be transformed. It's worth it though. It's through being ourselves that we experience joy (Sun/Leo/5th house territory). So we experience our most sublime joy when being our most spiritually real selves. When I find that part of myself, I'm uncompromisingly faithful to it because that is the closest I can get in this life as a person to total bliss.

The personal identity is so often habit, or what the person has learned is the most pragmatic and/or comfortable structuring of all their contradictions and vulnerabilities. But there's always more to people, and the potential to restructure themselves. So I feel different from many others in that I don't feel owned by my present self (and the events that helped form it). I'm open to remolding. This may be due to many other things in my chart as well (particularly my Chiron aspects). Distinguishing between personality and real self is probably what makes it so hard for me to understand why some people are so mean to others simply because of incompatible personalities. I don't understand why people need a fondness for people's personalities before they care about them.

posted November 21, 2009 07:00 PM         

It's so interesting to me that AscTaurus should mention moving and also being secretive. I've been attributing my private nature to influences other than this cnj. I see Sun-Neptune manifesting in myself primarily as that process I described above. For being private, I've been attributing that to my Scorpio and 12th house influence. (I have a Sco Asc and Pluto in the 12th.)

About moving - I moved a lot growing up. I don't know what it's like living in a world that has watched you grow up, that shared that experience with you. So there was always that feeling of being unknown, which certainly makes sense for someone with this conjunction.

posted November 25, 2009 03:10 AM         

Sometimes. I prefer live-action.

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I need to feel the pain and be constantly in it's presence. Sounds masochistic probably but it's the only way for me.

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I think I get what you mean. Even if you personally are feeling all right, someone right now is hurting. Always. In a way it feels like you're denying that reality by not holding a piece of it in yourself at all times. ETA: Also, time doesn't really matter to Neptune. On a certain level, we're who we were and will be all right now.

posted November 28, 2009 03:45 AM         

I don't personally have Sun conjunct Neptune, but I do have an exact Mercury-Neptune square, and being a Virgo (ruled by Mercury), it's of outmost importance in my chart. Those planets are in angular houses (1st house Mercury 18 deg Leo and 4th house Neptune 18 deg Scorpio) as well.

What you all said is really making sense in my life too.

~ Lana

posted November 28, 2009 02:42 PM         

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the truth is I am much happier when I succeed at nursing the strays back to health. It has happened before.

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posted December 15, 2009 08:51 AM         

I may be able to brighten your outlook some.
I match birthdates with the use of Synastry Astrology calculations. I may be able to give you a few birthdates of people who may be compatible with you.

If you live in America and if you like, give me the birthdate of month, day and, year and time and place born and I will try to find and provide you with a few birthdates that suggest possible compatibility potential with you and others.

posted December 15, 2009 04:16 PM         

Have you considered a career in nursing? Working with Children/disadvantaged/underpriveleged individuals?

posted December 15, 2009 04:51 PM         

I have the date, we're in good shape.
Talk to you later.