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hikoro
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posted November 28, 2009 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Law finals are coming up and I feel....blah.

I have been having a conflict since September regarding law school. I just started this August.

To be honest, I am not sure I want to be a lawyer…as a matter of fact, I don’t think I want to practice law after graduation. I know I would never want to work in a courtroom setting but even so, I don’t care much for the idea of sitting in a cubicle and analyzing cases over and over again.

I enjoy my classes, I am very good at arguing BUT I am missing the creativity and the art. I have a very intellectual/philosophical mind but I am also very creative and inventive. If it were for me, I would have been a performer of sorts. I also have great intuition and I am excellent at seeing through things and giving counsel. So, I am more of a wise person than smart.

Supposedly, the 10th house rules the type of job you would enjoy, which is Aquarius in my chart.

The good thing about the law degree is that even if I don’t end up working as a lawyer, it will add a couple of bucks to my salary. I find it a good strategy to have a law degree; it adds presence and job opportunities but, there is the 100K debt.

Who knows, the first year of law school is very challenging. Things might get better.

As of now, a part of me wants to fail the exams (ticket to getting out) and another one wants to pass all of my classes.

An university is offering a Masters of Arts in Professional Counseling specializing in Expressive Arts Therapy. I find this degree far more in tune with my personality than a JD...with the exception of the potential salary (it isn't big money).

Do any of you see anything in particular about my chart and dream career/job?

Are there any transits going on that may have created this dilemma?

My chart:

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swirl-kitt
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posted November 28, 2009 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swirl-kitt     Edit/Delete Message
I can't give you advice but as a fellow scorp I can tell you what I have gone through which is kind of similar

I was a successful student during high school then went on to study business management

The second semester was a complete disaster, I was seriously thinking about dropping out and starting another degree

But, everyone told me that I could earn more money if I had a business degree than a degree in arts which sounded incredibly reasonable at the time.

So I forced myself to do 2 more years, however, at the end of the 3rd year, due to having failed some classes in the past and taking a leave at one semester, I still had 2 years to go

And during an accounting exam, from which I got an A+ !, I realized that my life had no meaning whatsoever ! lol It just meant nothing to me. Economics, accounting, marketing.. It was all great but it just wasn't me. I couldn't imagine myself working as an accountant my whole life ! There are people who might like it, but not me.

I failed at a test and dropped out. My parents thought I was lazy and stupid and that my friends had an awful influence on me. My friends thought I was just taking a year out. What was kind of sad in my case was that I hadn't made my mind up about what degree I was going to choose or what I was going to do next. And due to some other reasons added on top of that- I sort of wasted almost 4-5 years of my life while I could have gotten another degree and started working and earning money.

You can make money out of photography, arts, even a music degree so don't let that be your excuse.

And now I am about to start studying Art History. But I am jealous. Of a friend who finished an economics degree and THEN went on to study Arts at St Martins, or one who dropped out at her first year.

One other reason I couldn't drop out was the friends I had made at that uni, I thought I belonged there. But in the end everyone went to different cities although I am happy about having known and spent lots of time with them.

So, if ı were you, I would finish the law degree, and then go on to study Arts. That is the coolest and safest option. Everyone will think that you're smart AND creative lol

But deep inside, you know you don't have to go through that if you don't want to. Some people do need to express themselves through arts, even if there is nothing spectacular about what they create in the end.

I hope you don't fall into the indecisiveness loop I had

But taurus would make you smart and more of a realist.

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hikoro
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posted November 28, 2009 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for responding.

I almost had what I believe...a precursor to a panic attack regarding what to do with law school today. I don't sleep well and I feel sadder and crankier than usual.

I just don't feel as passionate about practicing the law but I feel that if I leave law school, I am failing myself and others. I am also not doing extremely well in my classes. But again, getting the title is a practical idea.

People tell me that I would be a good lawyer. I exude strength, I am very good at arguing, analytical thinking and I enjoy being right! but.....I crave the creative side and then, people tell me I would be a good artist or counselor.

Either I am a) good at debating (making people feel uncomfortable and awed) or b) making people feel at ease and heard.

I just don't know what to do. It is a battle between logic and the heart.

I have been told that mars is transiting in leo and causing issues with my mars and also my t-square. There is also a neptune transit going on in my 10th house. Confusion?

I have not decided whether I will quit law school yet, but I ask the members, how does one know if these issues are transits or personality based?

Would it be a risk if I decided to switch? You know how some people say..."it is just a transit and things will change (for the better) after the transit is over".

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hikoro
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posted November 29, 2009 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
bump...

Would anybody else want to help me with this dilemma please?

It is just a sensitive and confusing matter.

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posted November 29, 2009 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Your period at university will be very good in terms of result. Months either side of December each year for the best times.

In terms of final job after qualifications, 7th ruler Venus conjuncts both Pluto and Mercury. Pluto is the most important indication of your job/career choice. As you write, Psychology/finance/occult/doctor/escort are all options. A possibly intense/hidden/researching/probing position.

Look up Pluto for more ideas and see which ones fit. The conjunction to Mercury provides a Mercurial influence to that Pluto. Could be terms of paper/computers/using your voice/maths.

With the Pluto placement in the 7th of others, Counselling one-to-one brings up more avenues.
May worst time at work, November best times at work. November is best for most activities.

Study whatever you like. Qualifications can lead to many opportunities and you will be fine with whichever subject it is.

Your job will likely spring from any hobbies you may have.

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posted November 29, 2009 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
Speaking from a personal point of view, I just want to say that you already know the answer to this question. You do. You know deep down what you want, and what you don't.

You started this thread because the life you are leading is not the life for you. You've been trying to force your feet to go down the wrong path. In my mind, if you're sick to death with stress and frustration and anxiety about your career- something that you should feel passionate about- you need to stop and think about what you're doing.

If you don't want to practice law then don't. The world won't end if you're not a lawyer. It's not a death sentence, though i'm sure it feels that way! You could finish school with your law degree and maintain that option as a back up plan, but STILL pursue whatever you feel passionate about.

Just do right by yourself. It's YOUR life. You know what you need to do, so just do it.

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Diana
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posted November 29, 2009 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
No one can tell you what to do.

If you don't want to be a lawyer you should seriously think about all that $$ in student loans you'll be paying off for the rest of your life.

Also, it doesn't really matter if you are good at arguing, because that doesn't mean you will make a good lawyer. In fact, most lawyers spend hardly any time in an actual courtroom. So you may want to look into what you'll actually be doing when you graduate by talking to lawyers in your chosen specialization and not at your law school, because law schools lie about a lot.

You may want to be a paralegal or work in a law firm and see if you'd actually like the work.

If you want to really pursue both, and stay in law school, you may want to specialize in entertainment law, something to do with the arts, but that is really hard to get into. Your chart supports this angle with neptune in the 9th (ruler of courts).

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hikoro
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posted November 29, 2009 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you very much for the responses.

Coffee

You seem to be saying that I will do good in law school and that whatever I pursue afterwards will be good.

Meta

Thanks for the empowering words.

Diana

You are absolutely right about the debt. And yes, you are absolutely right about arguing does not = good lawyer.

First of all, I do know that I don't like the way things are going. Diana has a good point about the loans. I will be owing around 180, 000 dollars when I am done. And many times, graduates don't have any other choice other than working in big law firms in order to pay the debt, which is something I don't want to do, that is, work in a law firm.

I guess I am wondering if I should quit or not quit law school. I wonder if maybe, had my grades been better, I would not be feeling this insecure.

My loved ones and my health are extremely important for me. I don't want to see myself unleashing my stress on other people. I also don't want to end up feeling miserable at times for the next three years.

My parents have told me it is not the end of the world if I can't do it. They said that if I care for the title so much, I can always go to law school later, that is, after getting a masters degree.

The problem is that I have invested in going to law school for such a long time, ever since I was 17.

If I drop, I truly won't know what to do. I want to pursue higher education after all.
I can either do counseling or get a bs in dance. But, I fear that these fields won't satisfy my intellectual curiosity and strong nature.

I guess I wonder the way I can reconcile both my creative and logical side.

This is one of the reasons I posted my chart, to see if anybody could tell me what field I would benefit from.

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posted November 30, 2009 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
I have counselled more than 3000 engineering graduates across 12 disciplines. [I wish I could counsel them astrologically but they are not ready to understand the spiritual side of life...]

From their faces, I know they are just as confused as any undergraduate in any discipline.

This is what I tell them:
1. To make money, you do not need any degree, leave alone engineering. Edison was a 3rd grade dropout. Bill Gates dropped out, so did Larry Ellison and Dhirubhai Ambani.

I have an illiterate contact who made the equivalent of 7 million dollars, just running a small store. He bought a swamp land that the educated and knowledgeable [and debt ridden] thought was ugly, he bought it because it was near the highway. He bought it for less than 70000 dollars with a decade's savings. In 10 years, his intution was right and the property attained a 7 million dollar valuation. He is still running that store [he did open a chain] but comes and goes in a luxury car...

2. If you have a professional degree, it will
only help you get more interviews. To bag a job, you need people skills. To make money in a job, you need to totally love your job 24/7 and have the ability to make everyone in the workplace like you.

3. If you do not become an entrepreneur, atleast part time, there is no way you will become wealthy. And being great at your job, loving it and building a huge network of happy contacts is the best bet to be a successful entrepreneur later on.

So, you have to identify what you love to do 24/7, and seek a degree only in that discipline.

It begins with very honest and indepth introspection.

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Shankara
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posted November 30, 2009 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
I guess I'll take a different side. When I was in college I liked some of my classes but didn't feel I was in the right place. All that I wanted to do was move out "West" and do "something' creative. I really wasn't sure what but I felt stifled in college. Actually, I was sure what I wanted, but wouldn't admit it to myself because I thought I was';t ready or capable, so I made myself chase all these "closer matches" even though none of them were right, either.

Really I wanted to write spiritual books, but at the time I thought I had to have some kind of degree to do that. I thought about being a transpersonal psychologist, but when I looked at what that entailed and spoke to other counselors about it, that didn't seem to be what I wanted either.

But I kept feeling more and more jaded at school so by the end of the second semester I quit to go to massage therapy school. Now, I had never wanted to be a massage therapist, but I was so desperately searching for an answer, a way out, that I jumped at massage school. It was just a silly whim that I shouldn't have taken seriously. I liked school well enough but truthfully I didn't want to be a massage therapist. I wanted to be a writer.

However, now that I had my license I did practice massage in a variety of settings and two states for 4 years, never really liking it, and never doing what I wanted to do, which was write!

I realized that I wasn't making much money as a massage therapist (though I'm sure some people who love it can make good money), I didn't have any benefits and I didn't feel it was stable. I felt like a loser sometimes, in a dead-end job, and I felt I was too smart to be there and wished I had finished my degree.

I decided to go back and finish my degree and now I have a stable office job with good benefits and I make a lot more money and opportunities for advancement. I'm not passionate about it, but I do like it, and I'm also writing my spiritual book, which I AM passionate about.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that from my experience, if you are SURE you want and are passionate about art therapy, then you should leave law school and go for it. But if you aren't liking law school and want something more creative but aren't sure what it is, don't jump and something else just for a way out. Even quitting law school and getting another job so you don't get in more debt (I'm still paying off my loans for massage school!) for something else you aren't passionate about either.

If you really want to do something creative that you don't need a 'job' to to (like being an artist, an writer, or an inventor), than a job as an art therapist wouldn't help, just like me being a transpersonal psychologist or massage therapist wouldn't have fulfilled my need to be a spiritual author and lecturer (as much as I tried to tell myself it would be a closer match so therefore better).

You did say that you've wanted to be a lawyer for a long time, so maybe you would like it well enough while you pursued you true dreams.

Just some things to think about.

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swirl-kitt
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posted November 30, 2009 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swirl-kitt     Edit/Delete Message
if you have to pay for it when it's over and it's not possible for you to go to another uni after this one , then I'd most definitely apply for arts or dance.

If you study dance, you could be a teacher and a perfomer so you could use your counselling skills as well.

Can you take a year off to prepare for auditions or preparing a portfolio ?

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posted November 30, 2009 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapCanCan     Edit/Delete Message
Hikoro:
You are having some major transits which are causing you confusion in your career. Neptune and Uranus are traveling together and conjunct your Mars in the 10th house. Your Jupiter transits with Sun and Moon will be of help now. You also have Saturn and Pluto to deal with these next few years.

Now is a good time to do some soul searching to find out who you really are and make sure your identity is not an extension of others. Avoid being selfish. If this career was chosen in order to help others instead of serving your own ego you have nothing to worry about. Just wait it out.

Becoming a lawyer can offer you a chance to work independently yet try new things. There is plenty of time to explore your artistic side. Focus on how your gifts of intuition insight and creativity can help you solve your own problems and be used to help others.

And finally, if you are going to ask for advice to get you through this period, please don't follow what your friends are telling you to do. Pluto transits are generational, so you should look to those much older to guide you in making your decisions. Maybe a seasoned astrologer could comment on your actual transits and take a look at your midhaven and north node to help guide you.
Good luck.

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posted November 30, 2009 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know how it works in your country.

I have a friend who after a time took a pause and after a time start again. It took 10 year to be finnish but why not.

Sometimes it's best to take a breake...

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hikoro
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posted November 30, 2009 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Folks,

Thank you very much for all of the advice. I truly appreciate it. I am feeling better now.

iQ- thanks for the insight, passion surely counts.

Shankara- this is a very practical way of looking at things. I can see this.

Swirlkitt- I may be able to take a year off, I would have to talk to admissions to know if my law school offers that option.

CapCanCan- thanks for the information and especially the transits. Read below. Maybe you can help me with my follow-up questions.

Popcorn- I don't know if the student has to complete at least one year in order to take a break.

Well, I went to a review session today and I felt great. Deep down, I do want to study law.

Now...one thing, other than the transits affecting my career house. Does anybody see transits affecting my mental health and especially my intimate relationships?

Because I am seeing a correlation here.

Ever since October-November I have been feeling more tired, sadder, unmotivated, impatient and angrier.

I feel insecure about law school and my relationship with my "boyfriend". I just want to quit law school and get rid of him. I feel emotionally unsatisfied by him and powerless in terms of law school.

Something is making me feel irritated and I am concerned about my mental health. I tend to be calm, cheerful, optimistic....now I just want to destroy something or hurt someone, then crawl inside a hole and die.
I just don't feel like myself.

Could this be the Mars in Leo?

What is going on? How long will this discomfort last? What are my hopes?

I am hoping that the Pisces Jupiter transit brings good news next year.

Thanks.

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Diana
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posted November 30, 2009 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
yes, t.mars is square your AC and moon in your 1st house and your mars in the 10th. It's also square your DC and mercury. The bad news is that it will be this way for awhile due to the rx. I have some of the same squares as you, because you have the same AC/DC axis as me.

You have to try to deal with it the best you can until June. I've decided to exercise. It's mars, aferall.

I've also had the neptune transit to my 10th house and it made me question my choice of career too.

ETA: tMars is actually making a grand cross out of your T-square. In addition to it being a difficult time, it also is a timer for major events.

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hikoro
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posted November 30, 2009 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Diana.

When you say events, do you mean good or bad? What kind of events did you go through?

Is there any way to know if these will be events affecting health or intimate relationships? I want to know in case I need to brace myself against bad news, which I don't really need at the time.

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posted November 30, 2009 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swirl-kitt     Edit/Delete Message
boyfriends from uni..

that's another issue I learned a lot about from myself vs the people I've observed

you must be very very selfish when it comes to dealing with friends/bf s from uni

I had 2 awful relationships and had to stay friends afterwards with one of them-while he was dating this other girl and making out with her in front of me lol. And that one was also my first real 'relationship' but he didn't act like a real boyfriend at all when he was with me. I also had a male friend who became very abusive and I don't know why but instead of studying all I did was to try to please or impress these people, which was definitely not worth it

some of my gfs who went through the same stuff and even dealt with the same people did just the opposite

if they were unhappy about the bf or a group of friends, they just left the bf or the group and they would sometimes hang out alone , and I thought, I WOULD DIE if I had to do that.

but 2-3 years later all everyone cared about was post education, going abroad, getting a job, so that they would earn money and move into their own house etc etc

like I said, I'm jealous of some of my friends who went to cambridge, oxford, or st martins as post/undergraduates after managing to graduate after just 4 years. at 21/22, it's really when your life actually begins

so IF you're feeling only insecure, just focus on your studies for 3 or 4 years and take a nice break or vacation or two during holidays. get rid of the bf, not your education. If you got into that uni that means you ARE capable of getting at least Cs and Bs from each and every one of your classes. get help from assistants, hang out with people who arrange group studies. SERIOUS people not silly freshmans lol

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posted November 30, 2009 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
There's no real way to know if the events will be good or bad. It would affect your 1st and 7th house issues as well as your 4th/10th house issues, since those are the houses being hit. That does seem to be where you are having problems, too, so this is actually the good/bad thing that its bringing to the fore for you.

I didn't go through the grand cross, because I don't have a T-square in my natal chart.

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posted November 30, 2009 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Swirlkitt-he does not go to uni, he actually works. There is no drama with classmates at all.

Diana-thanks. I shall keep this in mind.
One quick question though, are these bad events caused externally or internally?

Because for example, I find that the effects on my 10th house are internal. That is, the effects are being caused by the way the transit is affecting that particular aspect, thus affecting my mind, which affects my thoughts and then affects my actions, hence...the idea of quitting law school.

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posted November 30, 2009 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
I do, and that's exactly how it works. Sometimes it's the opposite of that and sometimes it's both. It really just depends.

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posted December 01, 2009 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapCanCan     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, your transiting mars in 4th house, with moon, mercury,and your sun, natal mars, axis...

Definitely responsible for feelings of anger, moodiness, irritability, confrontations, difficulty getting along with others. You will have to choose your battles and stand up for yourself only in those areas really important and let the little stuff go. Try not to act out in childish ways.

Be really conscious of how you are relating to people. It helps to realize that any time you blame or accuse someone else of behaving in a certain way, it's usually a reflection or mirror of something going on inside of you. Just be true to yourself and feel free to express yourself but not at the expense of others.

If you are angry in general and not angry for a specific reason or because of a specific incident, you have probably been hiding from anger or hurt within yourself that has been collecting for a long time and it might take a lot of digging to find out the source.

The one good thing is that when Mars hits your 6th house you will probably want to devote all of your energy to your schoolwork and you will feel proud of what you have accomplished so far.

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posted December 02, 2009 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Diana and Capcancan.

I have been more confrontational and I move from ok to being angry. It does not help that my obsessive aspects make me obsess over the negative...thus, I am having a big difficulty with letting go and trying to be optimistic and happy again.

For example, boyfriend confessed he loves me but we had an argument. I was able to let go....now, I want to rehash the argument (although I know it would not be a good idea) and I just feel insecure, angry and distrustful toward him. I want to get rid of him. As a matter of fact, I want to "get rid of everything and start all over again". It is that simple. I feel unloved, unwanted and uncared for. At least I am aware of this. I just need to make an effort to relax or calm down otherwise....I will wake up to a nightmare.

Funny, he even told me I had been acting differently lately.

Now, I understand I will have to deal with this until June. Yikes! Nevertheless, will there be any other good transits coming up that will ease these difficulties?

For example, the Pisces Jupiter transit....

How do I figure out the way it will affect my Scorpio planets and my natal Pisces Jupiter?
And also, what type of effects will it have?

Thanks.

PS. I must attribute some of my feelings to the Gemini full moon. It is really getting me. I am realizing I become extremely sensitive and teary around the full moon, it must be my moon conjunct my ascendant.

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posted December 03, 2009 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Expressive arts therapy, art therapy- very very low pay master's degree required. Very few jobs.

You can always take workshops, night classes, etc for art. Get your degree in something that requires a degree and is worth the expensive tuition. Education is education not necessarily a ticket for a success and some jobs. But don't listen to me I have a BFA and credits equivalent to a master's

A career working with people, a career with lots of exposure, power, networking with others or possible partnership, good money--
business, psychologist, training, .....

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