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Topic: Saturn... does it really bind?
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MysticMelody
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posted December 03, 2009 10:11 AM
  
So, we all pore over our synastry charts for these connections and most often we find them... what I'm wondering is if anyone who was poring over a chart of someone they were dating 5 or so years ago with strong Saturn contacts is still in contact with this person today. Have you remained friends? Or is the person connected to your social group so that there is no "escape" from them even if the two of you don't talk as much etc.?
I have Saturn contacts with a singer I had a crush on and I can see how we might remain in each others lives in a me supporting his music sort of way but I also have Saturn contacts with an ex I wouldn't mind never seeing again and yet our association seems to be dragging out, hanging by a tiny thread, and I wonder if eventually he will end up a sort of distant friend. I just wonder this sort of intellectually, I have no desire to have a friendship and he is sort of a disappointing non-entity to me at the moment. I was thinking of his mother and how much I like her while I was in the shower this morning and I wondered if I would ever speak to her again, and then I thought of those Saturn contacts between me and the guy and got to thinking... I wonder if he will end up a part of my life, however small.
So, I'd like anyone who is willing, to try to remember back as far as they can to a crush or old boyfriend who they had good Saturn contacts with and tell me if that person is still in your life today and to what extent. You can include the aspects if you have them/remember them. IP: Logged |
Mystique
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posted December 03, 2009 04:04 PM
Hi MysticMelodyyep I had a very intense relationship with someone began almost 12 years ago.
Yes we are still connected especially when we see each other we seem to re-ignite our bond. His Saturn on my Vertex exact!
My Saturn on his MC
His Saturn antiscion of our Composite Sun
Our Composite Saturn on our Asc and my Natal Mercury
My Saturn conj our Comp. NNode Those are just a few of the Saturn connections only... We always seem to pick up where we left off as if time has stood still
Its really a very strong bond and one I think we will always have...I think even if we moved to different countries we would meet up again when we are old and grey and toothless and still feel the same way about each other  Mystique  IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted December 03, 2009 04:30 PM
It seems to me that saturn are strong glue in relationship.In my relationship to both my childrens father . Strong saturn. My daughters father 15 years relationship.
His N merk/ venus conj my N Saturn
His N venus trine my venus/ N/N/mars His N saturn trine my Sun/ASC
His N saturn square my merk/uran/kaali/pluto In composite Saturn square moon/venus
Saturn opposite Jupiter
Saturn conj BML/pallas
Saturn/BML/pallas
trine Sun/nessus For me we have much strong tie to each other. Even after we divorced 15 years later we don't could be out each other. He are my biggest love up to now. He want to be with me long time after we divorced. He meet new girlfriend but always come back. In the end we be very good friend. Now he is dead but got a big place in my heart.
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vapor-lash
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posted December 03, 2009 05:36 PM
:edit: Thank you for the chart-comments, but I think they are too small & maybe the degrees are not very clear.I'll just type the aspects I was referring to: composite:
Sun - Gemini (10 degrees)
Saturn - Aquarius (10 degrees)
Pluto - Libra (12 degrees) synastry:
My Sun at 12' Aries & His Saturn at 12' Aries.
His Sun at 9' Leo & my Saturn at 9' Sagittarius. (& His Jupiter is at 14 Leo) I think Saturn does bind. We are working in the same area so we will probably see each other quite often, in the future. This is not romantic yet, though I believe it will be. I don't mind the "bound" feeling. Although I can see how this could become frustrating in the future - if our relationship deteriorates (but that's unlikely)
Right now we're close friends. Hopefully the friendship will always be there. ------------------
ex nick - CoralFrequency  IP: Logged |
emma_duncan
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posted December 03, 2009 05:52 PM
ok i hv something really weird1. so my saturn conjuct his VENUS (in my 7th house)
2. my saturn (which is conjuct juno) is also my chart ruler and is in my 7th house
3. VENUS is his chart ruler.
4. this means my saturn conjuct his VENUS is also = our chart rulers conjunct
5. in both composites (davison and mid point) the composite sun is conjunct my ssaturn and his VENUS wo hooooooooooooooo and its not an easy relation with lot of insecurities but cant breakup IP: Logged |
jenfullmoon
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Registered: Jun 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 07:16 PM
No binding aspects whatsoever with high school ex (Saturns conjunct, he was about 4 months older than me), haven't heard from him since freshman year of college, nothing.College ex (my Sun/his Saturn conjunct) and I don't speak, except for when I ran into him in a restaurant a few years ago. This is because I am totally crazy and if I have contact with the guy I will start wanting him back, regardless of logic. He clearly hadn't forgotten me though, nor I him. I have the same Sun/Saturn thing with my best friend (born a month before college ex), but obviously I'm doing just fine there. So, I dunno. Maybe the "binding" is just that you don't forget them. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted December 03, 2009 07:26 PM
wow Vapor-lash, how did you do that circling in your charts? so cool!
Yes, i agree it does bind, for better or worse aarrggh!!
With my twin we have: his n saturn 20' libra
his n mars/mercury 22' gemini
his n moon 18' aquarius
(grand trine) aspecting
my n moon/venus 21' aries
my n saturn/nn 18' aries
my AC 22' gemini IP: Logged |
ariescancer
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Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 11:17 PM
My ex husband and me, we been divorced for 11 years, were are very good friends
his Saturn squares my Sun, Venus, Mars & mercury, so I guess it really binds.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 03, 2009 11:30 PM
Gosh, Vapor, awesome graphics ~IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted December 04, 2009 12:20 AM
I think that we have saturn (him) conjunct venus (me). I say think because I don't know his exact birthtime but even so...the degree is very close. And yes, it is binding. One thing is that we don't fit the stereotypical saturn-venus conjunct description. That is, yes...he is very serious but he is a virgo sun and moon with cap asc. What do you expect? He also did not grow up in the most affectionate family either. Yes, I am very affectionate but, I do have venus in scorpio, jupiter in pisces and taurus moon and asc, and culturally speaking, people from my culture tend to be very affectionate. I am a Latina after all. Also, descriptions sort of interpret that the saturn person is the teacher. In our case, I am the teacher and he is the student. So, I am not sure. One thing is that we tend to stick like glue, it is as if we have a hard time letting go but at the same time, we really fear becoming vulnerable toward one another. That is, we don't make one another feel needed as much with words, we act as we don't care if the relationship ends..when deep down, we really do.  Although, I am pretty sure there are other aspects that affect this 'want you but don't want to tell you because I don't want you to see me as weak' aspect. Pride? IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted December 04, 2009 01:44 AM
why thanks Lonake
It's just the astro.com style + some paint-editing. :edit: Lara sorry I missed your comment - quote:
wow Vapor-lash, how did you do that circling in your charts?
I created the charts on astro.com - clicking "no aspect lines". I saved the charts individually. I then pasted both charts in a Paint doc - and drew the lines + circles. And voila! lol not very magical IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted December 04, 2009 10:11 AM
Hi Everyone Thank you so much for the response. I've been away from the computer since I posted but I really enjoyed reading what everyone had to say when I logged on today.
It seems a few mentioned that Saturn binds in the way of emotionally/mentally still being in tune with the person, though you are not necessarily together. That makes sense and is very interesting.
Jenfullmoon mentioned the college ex with sun conjunct Saturn and I find that one very interesting because that happens to be one of the aspects I am looking at with a new friend and one of the aspects with the old crush. Jen said she didn't speak to him anymore but that they had not forgotten each other, which seems to confirm the original thoughts everyone had about Saturn being binding in a mental/emotional way though not always physical. It is as though Saturn is the "there will always be a place for you in my heart" aspect.
I also enjoyed Vapor-lash/Coral's illustrations. They are helpful as my brain tends to gloss over listed aspects since I don't have the skills to immediately interpret them without a great deal of thought and study. I realize for others they make perfect sense at just a glance! I'm sure I will be there some day. This has really helped me to put Saturn into perspective. There is a big difference between believing Saturn binds people side by side in physical life and understanding that Saturn just binds someone (or indicates you are already karmically bound) to your heart and soul. Hmmm... lots more to think about. Does anyone agree or disagree? Have anything to add after considering all of our collected information? This is great. Thank you! ♥
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popcorn
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posted December 04, 2009 10:21 AM
Vapor-l. I can't see if you have a saturn- t'square to chiron and uranus. I'm not sure about that aspect and If it bind togheter two people.
maybe someone else know?IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted December 04, 2009 02:47 PM
Hi! Chiron is out of orb. The Sun/Saturn are always in exact orb in both comp. & syn. - so I'm not fussed about that one. IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted December 04, 2009 03:04 PM
OK. Good. I think namely that aspect if it work out could be an heartbreake aspect so....I am happy for you it out of orb I think saturn/sun in positive are a really good one to have in composite. IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted December 07, 2009 10:01 PM
The ex I mentioned above called me tonight about picking up some weight equipment he has stored on my back porch. I told him, sure, pick it up any time, no problem. He started asking me all these friendly questions to find out how I'm doing and what I'm up to etc. which laid the groundwork for future friendly exchanges. I wouldn't really care if we just forgot each other existed, no animosity but no desire for a friendship etc, but I also did not especially mind being friendly on the phone, so I suppose we will end up seeing each other around this existence... Saturn style.
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Astrobelle
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posted December 08, 2009 01:02 AM
Saturn's reputation holds true in ALL of my significant, long term relationships.1st significant romantic love partner (5yrs)had his Natal Saturn square my Venus(2 orb)..although we also had mutual Pluto aspects (Pluto opposite Venus) both ways. Double whammy. Lets just say I had to move far away and lots of soul searching to fully get over it. 2nd person, Second torture. My Saturn square their Venus and Mars in Scorpio. Their Saturn Quincux my Venus (all aspects within 5 degrees). No real romantic relationship in real life. Only in my head...
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blue moon
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posted December 08, 2009 06:58 AM
I still live with the old tosser. Must like him or something. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 08, 2009 12:08 PM
MM = my ex and i have several saturn connections, not all good either! we were together 3 years before my daughter was born. he moved out just before she was 3. and back in again 6 months later. and out again...we finally truly separated when she was 6. and divorced when she was 18. she is 26 now and this is the first 6 mos we haven't been in constant contact.the thing is that although we are probably lifelong friends his saturn opp my mars is a real wet rag aspect for me, and ensures we will never get "together" again, at least if i have anything to say about it..!! IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted December 08, 2009 04:07 PM
Now I'm wondering if the Saturn person feels the "bound" feeling more than the other planet... though Venus clearly loves... but maybe other aspects contributed to getting Venus to "love" in the first place... hmmm. and the sun seems to be restricted by Saturn some according to some interps I have read. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted December 08, 2009 04:10 PM
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I still live with the old tosser. Must like him or something.
LOL damn girl, you are tough as saturn nails IP: Logged |
ginger cancer
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posted December 08, 2009 05:51 PM
i do have saturn square saturn in synastry with someone who has disappeared from my life, but we had such a strong bond. i do hope to hear from him sometime.....what do you think about saturn square saturn, since i assume it is sort of a red flag in synastry? IP: Logged |
Got Gemini?
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posted December 08, 2009 08:35 PM
Well, I'd like to hear anyone's stories about Sun square Saturn both ways. I have a Sun square Saturn double whammy with a woman I have known since I was 9. We are not together but there is something there "underneath" that has being going on all this time between us. Sometimes we go years without seeing each other but when we do, it's like no time has been lost at all. My Saturn squares her Sun 0* applying and her Saturn squares my Sun 1* separating. ------------------
Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted December 09, 2009 01:36 AM
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There is a big difference between believing Saturn binds people side by side in physical life and understanding that Saturn just binds someone (or indicates you are already karmically bound) to your heart and soul.
Hi! It's possible that Saturn binds at the soul level, but in my situation we were physically bound side by side (and still are, though not as closely). I had required (not optional!) regular engagements with him for many months.
It is still a physical bond now - because as I said, we are working in the same area and will be in the same "social-circle" for at least a few more years. IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted January 02, 2010 08:10 PM
Just mentioning that the ex I brought up in the first post has called about 5 times since Christmas. I chalked it up to Merc retrograde but I saw this thread while looking for Quintile threads and thought I would bump it up with the additional information for future Saturn aspect researchers. IP: Logged |
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