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Topic: Venus Square Saturn - workable? or not?
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letram Knowflake Posts: 1141 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 03:49 AM
whats peoples view on this one in synastry?is it doomed if its a double w? if aspects like this exist in a synastry, is there any particular others that are likely to ballance out the negative potential? Venus/Moon aspect dw? or Sun/moon? or would it have to be venus/mars/pluto/moon aspects or sun-mars?? just curious... thanks. IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 4884 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 04:01 AM
If a precise Venus-Saturn Square double whammy exists in synastry, then you need 5 aspects like the examples shown below to bring harmony, else there will be more sadness than happiness in the relationship.1. Sun sextile or trine Jupiter 2. Mars sextile or trine Mars 3. Moon sextile or trine Moon 4. Ascendant conjunct, sextile or trine Asteroid VALENTINE 5. Jupiter trine Mercury And there should be no harsh Pluto aspects, especially Pluto sq Mars or Pluto sq Moon. ------------------ Soul Mate Love Calculator http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 3319 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 04:15 AM
My sons father who I meet when I was 15. We have an DW saturn venus but in oppositon. We also have it in Composite.I feel it from the start of the relationship that not would be us to the end. I was 15 and lived as I was 70 togheter with him. It was so boring in this young older. He don't want me to develop my own life. I just feel I must out of it. The relationship describes more in restriction and stop.. Hhuuu. We get our son and I think it was that it was meant to be. IP: Logged |
letram Knowflake Posts: 1141 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 04:24 AM
i was looking at one chart in question with this saturn-venus square double whammy, there is a tight Jupiter - Sun trine, the same sun tightly trines the other natives mars. (completeing a grand fire trine for the jupiter native) there is a harsh pluto aspect, between Mercury & Pluto? there is none of those other aspects mentioned iQ, there is a Venus-Venus opposition, and a tight Moon Conj. Venus, and Moon Trine Venus. IP: Logged |
letram Knowflake Posts: 1141 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 04:25 AM
thanks for the story Popcorn,you think older couples are made for these aspects? or very mature people lol.. IP: Logged |
letram Knowflake Posts: 1141 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 04:25 AM
thanks for the story Popcorn,you think older couples are made for these aspects? or very mature people lol.. IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 3319 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 05:53 AM
Letram. Yes, I think it could be a good relationship when you are 40+. I am sure about that.IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 4884 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 12:12 PM
Not enough good aspects. I agree with Popcorn, this relationship wont work out at all unless the couple is 40+ or both are very religious and orthhodox, emotionally mature to handle the relationship for love of God [or fear of hell etc... ]------------------ Soul Mate Love Calculator http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html IP: Logged |
DiandraReborn25 unregistered
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posted December 04, 2009 12:15 PM
this post made me remember that me and J have a semisquare venus/saturn in composite.Hmmm does this aspect is there cause of our long distance relationship? IP: Logged |
woah city Knowflake Posts: 578 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 01:57 PM
i really really like liz greene's take on venus-saturn aspects in her book about saturn. we have the double whammy in semisextile both ways (1 deg orb for both also). the basic lesson i took from that particular section is that the saturn person admires and feels insecure around the venus person but that an extraordinarily deep love and honesty can occur when combining these two planets (even the more challenging aspects) that is extremely worthwhile but also requires a lot of work for the saturn person to not get carried away in their fears. i can't remember her description exactly but it was really incredibly beautiful. and being we have the dw too, it goes both ways and i certainly feel it applies with us, both the challenge for us and the positives. happy dragon may have a link to that chapter on his website. IP: Logged |
woah city Knowflake Posts: 578 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 04:57 PM
hmm, happydragon's site seems to be down. i found this on google books though: http://books.google.com/books?id=UiV3UhftzK4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=saturn+liz+greene#v=onepage&q=&f=false it starts at page 162.unfortunately page 163 is missing and that is the page that gets to the beautiful crux and potential of this combination. if anyone's interested i can type it out later. IP: Logged |
venus in gemini Knowflake Posts: 883 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 07:32 PM
I always thought the interps on Skyviewzone were pretty accurate. We have Venus quincunx Saturn and Venus opposition Saturn in our synastry.Venus quincunx Saturn: What does it mean to your relationship when your natal Venus is quincunx your partner’s Saturn? You are finding obligations and responsibilities which inhibit or restrict your ability to spend time with your romantic partner. Your partner may be reacting to your inability to express your feelings by distancing him/her self from you. If your romantic partner’s Venus is quincunx your Saturn, reasons to have to delay gratification and about the seriousness of duties are likely to make up an increasing part of your not so romantic dialogue. You may feel inhibited by his/her fear of intimacy, giving you caution about disappointing or being disappointed. Venus opposition Saturn: What does it mean to your relationship when your natal Venus is in opposition to your partner’s Saturn? Your obligations are standing in the way of your relationship potentials. There is emotional distance as well as physical distance. If your romantic partner’s Venus is in opposition to your Saturn, it may be very difficult for you to get together because of his/her other obligations. IP: Logged |
Lethargic- Newflake Posts: 13 From: Registered: Apr 2015
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posted June 02, 2015 02:55 PM
BumpIs Venus square Saturn dw even worse/better if it's found in both natal charts? IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 3128 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 02, 2015 03:38 PM
I have this aspect with my S.O. at 0 degrees and I'm grateful for it.Yes, you heard me - grateful. IP: Logged |
Lethargic- Newflake Posts: 13 From: Registered: Apr 2015
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posted June 02, 2015 04:05 PM
Do you have a dw Aquacheeka? How does it play it out in your experience?IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 767 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 02, 2015 04:22 PM
Lethargic - dw? Spell/explain, please.Venus square Saturn in synastry would be something familiar and at-home for someone who has it in their birth chart. Not really a matter of better/worse. Good synastry has to do with the entire count of aspects positive vs negative, in both longitude and declination (parallels, contra-parallels). ------------------ Astrology & natural medicine blog: 3D full sky astrology with declinations Complete Rising Sign descriptions IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 3128 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 02, 2015 04:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lethargic-: Do you have a dw Aquacheeka? How does it play it out in your experience?
No, not the double whammy. Only one way with him being Saturn but it's a huge relief in synastry that has Neptune and a hard moon-Uranus aspect - a little bit of glue and obligation and stability never hurt anyone! It's the reality check and groundedness our synastry needs.
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Sagical Knowflake Posts: 221 From: Glenbow, Canada Registered: Mar 2014
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posted June 02, 2015 09:47 PM
I view this aspect in synastry as 1000% no way. It does not work and it inly drives an iron wall between two people. The Venus person can be opening and accepting but the Saturn person shuts them down and exiles Venus from their life.I have come across this aspect several times in my connections with others and usually, I'm the Venus........the saturn sees me like a life threatening disease and the moment upon meeting, there is no warmth openness or greeting. Just a brief look and they walk away. The Saturn I knew always had the sense I was never good enough for them or never measured up as a human being. IP: Logged |
peony Knowflake Posts: 842 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted June 02, 2015 11:33 PM
I'm not sure if you're looking for feedback on just the Venus square Saturn DW, but Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell have been together for 32 years. They have a Venus square Saturn in synastry, plus a Moon-Saturn DW (conjunction and square), which supports the longevity of their relationship. But they also have many harmonious aspects (Russell is on the left and Hawn on the right):Sun trine Sun Sun trine Mars Moon trine Venus Venus trine Mercury Mars trine Mercury Mars trine Pluto Jupiter trine Sun Uranus trine Venus Neptune trine Moon Chiron conjunct Neptune IP: Logged |
Lethargic- Newflake Posts: 13 From: Registered: Apr 2015
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posted June 03, 2015 01:15 AM
Interesting how people see it as either very positive or very negative. I agree with Peony, however; perhaps having an abundance of easy aspects would overcome the coldness of Venus-Saturn aspect. Though I'm interested how a double whammy would play out. I believe Kannon made a good point. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 3128 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 03, 2015 06:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lethargic-: Interesting how people see it as either very positive or very negative. I agree with Peony, however; perhaps having an abundance of easy aspects would overcome the coldness of Venus-Saturn aspect. Though I'm interested how a double whammy would play out. I believe Kannon made a good point.
My boyfriend and I have it as part of our 9 squares. The relationship is the opposite of cold. You have to look at the natals. If the two individuals tend towards warmth and affection separately, one aspect is not suddenly going to make them act cold. CafeAstrology also describes it as an attraction aspect in the beginning so those who experience it as repulsing initially, it may be something else causing that. I don't think that's the typical experience of it.
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next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 2599 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 03, 2015 11:46 AM
As long as you have an equally strong amount of uranus/jupiter in your synastry, it will not be impossible (but saturn squares always brings a lot of work and require some self-realisation) I have saturn square venus (I am saturn) in my relationship, but it's 5 degrees wide. Still - it counts. We have a lot of jupiter aspects too (jupiter square venus, jupiter sextile mercury and jupiter square sun). Only with jupiter you can be able to put your coldness aside and laugh about it and shake that coldness of your shoulders. Jupiter is expansion, funny times and being able to enjoy yourselves. It's also really good to have some connections to your moon, and make sure that your moon signs are compatible as well. (Moon-venus, moon-sun) You don't need to have the easy aspects, but just having the connections between the right planets is enough I would say, it dosnt matter if its conjunctions, squares or oppostions...
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Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 3128 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 03, 2015 12:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by next to neptune: As long as you have an equally strong amount of uranus/jupiter in your synastry, it will not be impossible (but saturn squares always brings a lot of work and require some self-realisation) I have saturn square venus (I am saturn) in my relationship, but it's 5 degrees wide. Still - it counts. We have a lot of jupiter aspects too (jupiter square venus, jupiter sextile mercury and jupiter square sun). Only with jupiter you can be able to put your coldness aside and laugh about it and shake that coldness of your shoulders. Jupiter is expansion, funny times and being able to enjoy yourselves. It's also really good to have some connections to your moon, and make sure that your moon signs are compatible as well. (Moon-venus, moon-sun) You don't need to have the easy aspects, but just having the connections between the right planets is enough I would say, it dosnt matter if its conjunctions, squares or oppostions...
Hmmm... my SO and I have a Jupiter-Mercury aspect and our moon/moon sextile is actually our closest aspect. And we have moon-Uranus as I mentioned... so maybe the mitigating aspects are why we are so not cold towards one another. But I would much rather have a Venus/Saturn square than no Saturn aspect in our synastry. The only relationships I've seen with no Saturn survive are those that have a Venus/Sun conjunction. IP: Logged |
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 2599 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 03, 2015 05:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aquacheeka: Hmmm... my SO and I have a Jupiter-Mercury aspect and our moon/moon sextile is actually our closest aspect. And we have moon-Uranus as I mentioned... so maybe the mitigating aspects are why we are so not cold towards one another. But I would much rather have a Venus/Saturn square than no Saturn aspect in our synastry. The only relationships I've seen with no Saturn survive are those that have a Venus/Sun conjunction.
Yes, you gotta have saturn to stand the test of time. I've never seen any long-lasting relationship without some important saturn aspect to the personal planets. But if you got too much "hard "saturn, and nothing else, you could risk that you WILL stay together - but being miserable deep down. Saturn is like glue, so once you find someone with strong saturn-synastry and you get together, it is not going to break just like that. But it could become a long and "boring" relationship that turns into routine.... you need uranus/jupiter to light things up and truly enjoy yourselves. IP: Logged |