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Topic: Conjunctions and Oppositions...not so similar?
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Shankara
Knowflake Posts: 155
From: Buffalo, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 22, 2009 09:41 AM
 
This is just me speculating, purely based on my own life, but I've been wondering if the opposition is the same as the conjunction. I'm wondering because some books and websites basically say that, for love or especially soulmate indication, they are the same, but based on my own experience, this hasn't been the case. I had my Vertex oppose (1 degree away) my ex's Venus, and I'd say it was karmic (it was very bad - abusive) but not a 'soulmate,' (well, our souls probably were together before, but not in a nice way). My mom on the other hand has her Venus exactly conjunct my Vertex, and our relationship is great (we've been together before but in a nice way). My ex and I also had in the composite chart Sun oppose Venus, and again the books say that this aspect is the same as the conjunction (means love), but this wasn't the case, and I am left wondering... Granted there are always many aspects at play but it would be to complicated to get into all of those... IP: Logged |
DD
Knowflake Posts: 2454
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posted December 22, 2009 09:51 AM
No, they are not the same, but they are both significant, just in different ways.Conjunctions show a point of meeting or melting, where you come together so to speak.
If you look at the signs involved, it is the same element, same modality. Oppositions are polarity-aspects. You are different, but in ways that are complimentary (but that strongly depends on the planets; an opposition with Saturn may feel pretty harsh actually).
Looking at the signs involved there are supportive elements (but not the same), but the same modality.
"Granted there are always many aspects at play but it would be to complicated to get into all of those!"
Actually for a good, indepth astrological analysis you have to do exactly that.
But I understand that you were just wondering about the basic difference between conjunction and opposition, using this Vertex-example. Yet, I am sure in the synastry with your Ex there were some more challenging interaspects.
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Polo C
Knowflake Posts: 62
From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 23, 2009 12:23 AM
Yes, indeed, I was wondering the same thing about conjunctions and oppositions myself. I always get the effects of the opposition and the effects of the square mixed up, because as Shankara says, they both seem to present challenges in actual experience and sometimes, with the opposition, the challenge seems greater.Any idea how an opposition between Eros and Psyche would be expressed? Mystic Medussa describes it as a "You Complete Me" kind of feeling. I guess, if the individuals are in the state of mind to do so, but it does seem that the opposition can be kind of tricky. IP: Logged |
amowls*
Knowflake Posts: 753
From: richmond va
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2009 12:51 AM
Okay okay okayCan I just say something?? We HAVE TO figure out how to isolate aspects correctly. There are so many aspects involved in synastry. Good feelings between your mother and you are not signified by ONLY Venus conjunct Vertex. Just like a difficult but karmic relationship is not ONLY signified by Venus opposite Vertex. You probably had difficult aspects besides the Venus opposite Vertex with your ex. You also probably have other nice aspects with your mother. Just like the other post that stated Eros/Psyche was better than Venus/Mars sexwise (and then it was revealed that he also had Venus/Pluto and Moon/Mars with his Eros/Psyche partner). Example: I'm not going to say that Vertex conjunct ASC is BAD just because the one time I experienced it, there was also DW Moon square Mars and other hard aspects which made the relationship volatile and slippery. IP: Logged |
DD
Knowflake Posts: 2454
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posted December 23, 2009 06:01 AM
AmowlsI absolutely agree with you.
Sometimes we tend to contribute a feeling or a behaviour to one aspect alone, when there may be other aspects figuring strongly within. And this can lead to a distorted perception of the interpretation of certain aspects. It`s tricky. IP: Logged |
Shankara
Knowflake Posts: 155
From: Buffalo, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2009 09:32 AM
I agree about the isolation...but I'm not really sure how to do it without going into a in depth analysis of the whole chart and annoying everyone LOLIP: Logged |
DD
Knowflake Posts: 2454
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posted December 23, 2009 05:16 PM
Hmm, for a start I tend to look at "closed circuits", planets that are on nearly the same degrees in any sign; such configurations as Grand trine or so on, even though I also consider configurations like Venus trine Jupiter, and Venus sextile Mars and Jupiter sextile Mars. I would try to interprete Venus, Jupiter and Mars together, according to the signs, houses, rulerships and nature of aspects, that form the "closed circuit".I also find that very often in synasty an open circuit will be closed by someone else`s planet and that this can be pretty binding or attracting. Example:
her Moon on 17 Aquarius
her Saturn on 17 Cancer
his Sun on 17 Aries IP: Logged |
Nine
Knowflake Posts: 306
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Registered: May 2009
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posted December 23, 2009 05:30 PM
I've noticed there are a lot of redundancis in astrology. Is it possible that Eros/Psyche like Venus/Mars represents Love & Sex, but belong to another paradigm.No, the opposition & the conjunction are not the same. They are similar in that they are intense aspects, but the nature of the planets & signs involved alter their effects. It also depends what charts you're working with; Synastry, Transit, progressed Lunation... IP: Logged |
amowls*
Knowflake Posts: 753
From: richmond va
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 23, 2009 07:49 PM
Also depends on what type of point your dealing with too: Midpoints, Planets, Asteroids, Axises (Axii?), AnglesThe Vertex is a fairly new concept so there's been a lot of debate about it. The consensus is that only hard aspects should count but some say to include squares, and others just focus on the conjunction and opposition (because the opposition means that it's a conjunction with the anti-vertex since the vertex is really an axis). In cases like the Vertex, the conjunction and opposition are the same (though there is debate about which is stronger in synastry). IP: Logged | |
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