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Topic: Is a good composite ever wrong??? Or can it differ from the real relationship?
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The Mutable Night Force
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posted December 23, 2009 02:37 PM
  
If a composite chart generally describes a favourable relationship, and even a seemingly passionate relationship, can it ever be wrong?One I did between me and a friend a while ago had lots of great aspects hinting towards a love relationship, including one which astro.com even called "love, pure and simple". I have this exact same aspect between me and my best (female) friend, (*this* friend's a man).
I do feel pretty much pure love for him, I can't explain it, similar to how much I love my best girl friend who shares this aspect, but of course... different, because he's a man.
Except I can never be sure what he thinks. And whether he loves me too (even as a friend) because I just feel like there is a pretty awesome astrological connection between us. I just want to be around him. But he would probably never admit what he thinks... and hides it pretty well with teasing and jokes. So yes. Can composites ever get it wrong (providing the birth info is all correct)? IP: Logged |
amowls*
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posted December 23, 2009 04:51 PM
There is not one aspect in a Composite chart that will mean "YOU ARE GOING TO BE IN A ROMANTIC SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS PERSON FOREVER!!!!"Are you talking about Sun conjunct Venus? "Love Pure and Simple" can mean platonic love, too, not just romantic. If you're interested in this guy, check both of your progressed charts and see if his Sun, Venus or Mars is trining or conjuncting your Sun, Venus or Mars. Generally that's when a romantic relationship will start (I've found). IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted December 23, 2009 05:00 PM
amowls said it, look at the progressions.Composite or natal Sun/Venus aspects will generate a "love, pure and simple" energy between two people, but it won't guarantee a relationship. For that you will have to look at the progressed synastry for confirmation. Even then, those individuals must be willing & open to the idea of a relationship. But the progressed chart is more of a guarantor than the other two charts. IP: Logged |
plutoprincess
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posted December 23, 2009 05:24 PM
From my experience, a composite chart shows how a relationship could evolve, it's strong and ewak points. but it never shows, exactly how a relationship is. It all dependx on the people involved.
For example, you might have composite Mercury square mars which would indicate continuous and often quarrels. If however you are a patient person, and aware of this aspect, then maybe you could be more patient, and compromising and therefore avoid the problem, if this is possible or, at least to a certain extent...As far as composite Sun conjunct Venus, it can definitely create feelings of love that are hard to interpret (find a logical explanation) BUT you must first check the progressed charts. Also, check if there are any Venus-Mars, or Sun-Mars aspects that could indicate physical attraction. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted December 23, 2009 09:22 PM
Composite charts are more than just the "visible" aspects - aspects to or between midpoints are also relevant.For example, in my composite with my bf, Mercury isn't aspected. It would seem weird, coz in the real life, there's lot of joy and communication between us. But then, I just noticed that our Mercury/Jupiter midpoint is conjunct Sun, as well as Venus/Mercury midpoint squares Sun. There are a few other things that resonated a lot (for better or worse) with the midpoints too. Aside of progressed composite, you can also check the transits to the composite itself. IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted December 25, 2009 12:06 PM
Hey all,
Does the Sun, venu, mars conj or trine sun mars venus in the progressed chart indicate a long term relationship? Or when the planets move the relationship ends?
A 3 degree separating aspect is strong or not?
What in the composite will say that this relatioship might last when there is Su,VE, MA conj or trine in Progressed charts?IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted December 25, 2009 01:51 PM
rajin, I'm curious about this as well. Applying aspects shows energies that are growing gradually, while separating ones shows energies that are diminishing. But I wonder if the feelings would actually be completely gone if the great aspects are gone too by time? Well, maybe there might be other aspects that would form, that might keep the relationship going?In the composite itself (not progressed), I guess that the main "breakup" aspects would be hard aspects to Uranus/Saturn. But it depends. For example, Jupiter, the planet that is often related to commitment, if it is square to Uranus, or Saturn square to Uranus, there might be issues of instability or even commitment. With Mars square to Uranus, there might be issues of freedom. Hard aspects with Pluto might not necessarily be a breakup aspect, but it might be very hard to deal with (power struggles, too focused at physical sex at the expense of emotional bonds, deep emotional/psychological/unconscious issues/pain, etc.) that it might lead to breakup. With hard aspects with Neptune, there might be confusion, unsureness, insecurities, secrets and even deception, but this leading to breakup or not depends on how the couple handles it, and the nature of its manifestation, as well as the whole relationship. By the way, there's a theory that a member of LL (EighthMoon? X3 ) presented here, which says that the ruler of the 1st house might show how the relationship begins, while the ruler of the 12th house can show how the relationship might end. IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted December 25, 2009 01:54 PM
rajin. The natal synastry and draconic aspect will be deciding on the relationships duration. If it will be a relationship ... The chart and progress only use the tendens /timing but nothing say if it will be any continuation.For me transit and progress chart work good. It's intresting to follow the progressed chart between people. Not only lovers. I often see strong connection when I meet someone who are importent to me just in the moment. IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted December 25, 2009 02:32 PM
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Hey all,
Does the Sun, venu, mars conj or trine sun mars venus in the progressed chart indicate a long term relationship? Or when the planets move the relationship ends?
A 3 degree separating aspect is strong or not?
What in the composite will say that this relatioship might last when there is Su,VE, MA conj or trine in Progressed charts?
A separating aspect is weak because the energies of the planets involved is spent. An applying aspect is strong because it shows the planets "colliding" and is thus more compelling. However it depends on what the aspect is, and whether it's the major aspect of the relationship. A relationship started under a separating aspect (very unlikely) will be short lived, as the two will be spending more time apart than together in mimic of the planets. IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted December 25, 2009 03:19 PM
The timeing are for me over when it's 3 degree separetingIP: Logged |
rajin
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posted December 25, 2009 03:49 PM
Thanks all.Merry Xmas and happy holidays.say suppose a couple met when Venus conj Mars at 0 degrees. The only way it would go would be start separating. So will the relationship weaken within say 7 years?
The composite has 5 planets in the 7th house including the sun Venus( close conj)mercury( ruler of 7th for one person and of 1 for the other) jupiter( ruler of 7th for the one person) and neptune( ruler of 1st for one person. Would that be a strong composite chart for a long term relationship? IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted December 25, 2009 04:11 PM
hmm Sun/Venus conjunction in composite often shows deep love and affection between the couple. Adding Mercury and Jupiter could mean a wish for commitment as well as great rapport and communication (lots of fun together). But Neptune there could mean many things, it could mean spiritual link between the couple, but sometimes illusion (rose colored-glasses) or confusion too. It might depend on the rest to determine how this would manifest (Neptune is tricky lol), but Neptune and Jupiter together could also maybe mean some cultural differences?IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted December 25, 2009 04:13 PM
"Would that be a strong composite chart for a long term relationship?"Yes for me it looks like good for longterm relationship. IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted December 25, 2009 04:23 PM
I did read that Sun venus conj means a deep pure love which may hae nothing to do with life partners. Does the Sun in the 7th mean much? Also does the Sun sing of the 7th have significance?
What does it mean when a chart is so lopsided? this couple has 5 planets in 7th ( of course DC is included), uranus and pluto in 5th and 6th. So the rest of the chart just has saturn moon and NN spread out. Does this have significance?
Do you use any particular method of composites? midpoint or Davison uncorrected or corrected?IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted December 25, 2009 04:45 PM
I use midpoint composite method. I mainly look at the "visible" aspects (at 50% orb), as well as the aspects to/between midpoints within the chart (I give 2º degrees maximum to these thought), as these aspects with midpoints can be very relevant too.So far, with my own small personal experience, the house and the sign seems to be relevant, although the aspects themselves are still the most important.
7th house seems to be a good house for this stellium. X3 IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted December 25, 2009 04:46 PM
I use composite. I like composite more. Someone say Davidson works out better and show how the relationship really works. IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted December 25, 2009 05:22 PM
Thanks
How does the composite influence a relationship - is it a more powerful indicator than natal synastry? If people have pluto-moon squares in synastry and the above placements for composite, will the relationship work?
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comica23
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posted December 25, 2009 05:51 PM
I guess that it often depends on how an astrologer can master a method to determine whether a method works or not. If an astrologer isn't good at any method, any method would be inaccurate anyways. And I've seen great astrologers that are good in a certain method being really accurate.My personal view is that synastry can show where a couple is compatible, while the composite can show how the relationship itself is when they come together. And I think that both of them actually show complementary information about a couple (astrology signals should be consistent after all).
(in a non-astrological way of putting this is, imagine a couple who are compatible but has a bad relationship and vice-versa) In my small personal experience, I find composite easier to interpret and seem more relevant when it comes to determining the outcome, but that might just be coz this method resonates more with me and my views. But well, once, I had two astrologers that used different methods to help me analyze a few relationships (one used composite and the other just looked at the soulmate pair asteroids aspects - yes, it's iQ  X3 ), but they still pointed me out the similar outcomes of these relationships. These methods doesn't really seem to have anything to do with each other (composite VS synastry, aspects between main planets and their midpoints VS aspects between asteroids), so what are the odds of showing similar outcomes?? This makes me think that the astrological signals that we can get through different methods should be consistent, showing more and less the same thing (so if a couple has certain traits, then these traits might be shown in more than one place, even in different charts). IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted December 25, 2009 07:44 PM
Thanks Comica,
Will you please take a look at a synastry and a composite chart of one couple and offer a few insights? I value your opinion and would really appreciate your thoughts.
This is the synastry chart
 This is the composite 
Thanks once again.
Happy holidays. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted December 25, 2009 10:10 PM
Hmm actually I'm not very good at chart readings, it's easier for me to read the charts in which I already know the relationships in the real life lol but I'll try a bit. XPIn the synastry, both of them have a stellium on each other's 7th house, which is nice as someone's planets in our 7th house often makes us see this person as an ideal partner. These stelliums are also in compatible signs with each other, so these energies should get along friendly.
And there's Mars oppose Venus, nice attraction? X3
But the person with the blue chart has Pluto square to the other person Moon - some obsession, pain or manipulation towards the Moon person?
The red person also has Pluto square the other's Venus/Mercury. The degree seems wider, but if its energies are noticeable, there might be (sexual?) obsession/possessiveness too.
With the Neptune/Sun conjunction, the Neptune person might either idealize, feel inspired or feel confused towards the Sun person.
Moon in the other's 4th house.. feels like home? X3 While the other has Moon in the other's 8th house.. the Moon's emotions are intense, transformative for the red person?
With NN/AC conjunction, the AC person might inspire/help the NN person to grow. This is a very meaningful aspect.
Hmm the ACs are in square signs thought, so that their general outlooks/personality might not be compatible. But maybe the stelliums in each other's 7th house might help smoothing this.
Also, they have sextile Mars, and their Mars fall into each other's 10th house - they could work well together and help/inspire each other in their career paths/life directions. In the composite, it's nice that the Sun/Venus conjunction falls on the DC. X3 Jupiter conjunct Mercury, there should be really nice and joyful communication. But Mars squaring Sun and Mercury.. heated verbal fights? Moon oppose Uranus, the emotions might be unstable. IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted December 25, 2009 11:09 PM
Hey Comica,
Thanks for the analysis. I am amazed at your interpretations, they are so good and I don't know why you think you are a novice. You read charts like a master.
The couple is not together, what I still don't understand is that their charts show easy communicative skills while the major reason for their breakup was the guy was totally uncommunicative and was stonewalling her.He had broken up with her before and then came back asking for a second chance. He did not seem to have grown up and was treating her like before so she left him.
Is there like this big negative factor in their chart that over-rides all the positive aspects? every relationship has positive and negative aspects so why does this one not work?IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted December 25, 2009 11:39 PM
Hmm taking a better look, in the composite, Saturn is opposed to the Mercury/Neptune midpoint, so it might be why even thought there's easy communication between the couple, there are things that were still untold (and Saturn often represents the male in the couple, so it's probably from him).
But I'm not very sure what are the real main breaker aspects in this case, while there could be more aspects to/between midpoints that could show it. Usually, I can pinpoint some few meanings of aspects in composites, but I guess that I still need to learn a lot lol.
Actually, most composite charts has negative/hard aspects, yet it depends on the nature of the negative issues and how the couple can work things out together.IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted December 26, 2009 12:09 AM
Hey Comica,
Is there anything in a synastry/ composite chart that shows if people break up/ get back together again and again?
The guy is the chart in red in the Synastry pair. He has Saturn going over his Libra house right now, so there is hope that he would mature.Just wondering if they would get back together.
The guy was a typical guy, talk was pretty impersonal, if it got too serious he would try to duck out of it.If she would call he made her feel like she was being too anxious to contact him. I think she would be better off without him but like u pointed out there is the obsession aspect in her chart, so she is still hoping that he would grow up.IP: Logged |
emma_duncan
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posted December 26, 2009 12:32 AM
@rajinhere are my thoughts worth few pennies the blue person - the woman ....she is more attached to the relation, because her fourth house receives the man's moon. it deeply affects the fourth house person. also moon seems to be near her IC also note they have his sun sq her moon....a very difficult aspect. he does not understand her....they will have constant arguments and tiffs....also man has natal moon sq his sun mercury, uranus stellim...he is not good with communication men with moon in cancer are v diffcult...i think they are prone to depressions, need constant reasurance, in many ways they always emotionally remain attached to their mothers, and never grow up to be a man emotionally.....its the whole world against them and their mommy.....also note that this moon is sq his stellium...so u can guess what baggage he may be bringing to the relation. IP: Logged |
rajin
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posted December 26, 2009 01:19 AM
Thanks Comica,
Your observations have been invaluable. It teaches me how to look at aspects when I see all of you put meanings to the planetary positions.
I guess this relationship will never take off. Your analysis says that he is too immature to emotionally bond with her.Guess it is the SN-Pluto conj and the NN-Asc conj that makes them come together again and again. they met when their pr Venus-Mars were conj 0 degrees. I thought it might make some sense that they seem to find each other again and again. Probably not.
Thanks again.IP: Logged |
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