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woah city
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posted December 28, 2009 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
must be humongously important i figure. there's a chart ruler (AC), but is there a term for the sun's rulership, and why isn't it referred to more frequently if it's as important as i intuit it must be? i feel that it would add significant colouration to one's sun sign, no?

mine's uranus and my uranus is in scorpio. my sun also trines pluto, so i gather from this i must be a scorpio-flavoured aquarius. is this a fair assessment, or is it reaching?

does this equation work for you?

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posted December 28, 2009 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
yeah that makes sense. i always add that in too when i think of charts mine and others. cause i mean the sun is the biggest energy source and the most important star to us soo i think its just as or more important than all the toher planets and AS and stuff cause the suns energy is reflected through all the other planets right? well sometimes i wonder if they make their own light..

but my suns uled by venus and my rising is ruled by venus too so its double venus and my venus is in scorpio conjunct pluto. so i have that tint of scorpioness in me.

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posted December 28, 2009 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
(Ok, breathe. Very good.)

The chart ruler, aka AC, is taken from the sign on the cusp of the 1st house.

To look at what sign 'rules' a planet, you need to know which sign that planet is in, on your natal chart. For less confusion, looking at the sign in which the Sun is in, is called 'dispositor'

You will have Sun in Aquarius, therefore Sun is disposed by Uranus in Scorpio. I guess that gives you a bit more information about that Sun. Aspects too. Look it up.

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posted December 28, 2009 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
ahh, the dispositor! i knew there was a term (i actually did know it but completely forgot). thanks cooffee.

well that still doesn't answer my question. why on earth does no one ever refer to their solar disposition (if i may)? seems hugely relevant. what i was getting at with my first post is that we refer to chart rulers which are simply based on our AC, but our sun is the heart of our chart and our main sense of selfhood, so i'd assume the sun's dispositor would be especially relevant and a secondary (heck, why not primary?) chart ruler of sorts.

i know i always ask weird questions. 'pologies and 'ppreciations.

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posted December 28, 2009 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
behold, would you say you feel that tint to your nature? i guess being your chart ruler as well it might be harder to differentiate, likewise with my sun aspecting pluto.

i also remember raymond told me the term for this.. a.. um.. sympathy? no. but something like that (sun aspecting pluto being akin to sun in scorp, etc).

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posted December 28, 2009 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Many different astrologers around the world use different systems. The general population who read horoscopes are doing so based on a method used by astrologers, that puts the Sun central to their system.

In that respect, the Sun would have more importance.

I, and maybe a few other astrology enthusiasts look at a natal chart from the House point of view. Not from a planet p.o.v.

The Sun is an important feature in the natal chart, due to Venus and Mercury not too far away at any given moment. Acts as a marker. Certain astrologers give it much more importance than others.

Question answered? No.

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posted December 28, 2009 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
haha, well then why the hell respond to my thread, jeez?

JOKING. yeah i hear you. so how does house-based astrology work? never really heard of that.

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posted December 28, 2009 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
With the houses

Your AC, consider it house 1. There will be a sign on the cusp (the black line on the graphics)
Once you have found this, put the next sign on the next house and keep going until you have the previous sign to the AC on house 12.

You then find the modern rulers for each sign, the PLANET that 'rules' each sign.
Once you know which planet rules that sign on the house, you check where it is in your natal chart (in which sign/aspects)
Without going over the information too much, the PLANET that rules the sign on the cusp of a house is to be interpreted as whatever house the sign of the ruling planet represents.

An example....Cancer AC (a.k.a Cancer rising) means that house cusp 1 has the sign of Cancer on it. The ruler of Cancer is Moon, therefore, wherever Moon is in your natal chart, or transiting at any point (where it is now) you take Moon as anything that is related to HOUSE 1.


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posted December 28, 2009 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
hmm, though i've never really heard of that, i do that intuitively all the time. merci. now answer my question already.

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posted December 28, 2009 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
woah, I know the word you're looking for (re: Sun aspecting Pluto and Sun in Scorpio).

Come and get it!
*runs away laughing while cupping the word*

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posted December 28, 2009 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
It gives another flavor to your Sun, an added dimension, so no I don't think youre reaching at all.

It works for me yes as I'm a Sagittarian-flavored Pisces, which also works because I have 2 Sagittarius planets in my H5, which is another correlation, and my Sun is in strong aspect to a planet in Sagittarius. When certain aspect relations keep repeating they're called themes. Would have to see your chart to know if the Scorpio Uranus is strong for you or if it's just another minor factor to add to the mix.

Also keep in mind the ruler of stelliums, that will have strong importance as well as that of the Sun, Moon and angle rulers. But the ruler of anything in your chart has at least a minor influence, you will have to see how many add up to recognize if you have a theme.

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posted December 28, 2009 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
My Sun's dispositor is Jupiter. I have it in the 11th house. (10th only with Placidus. I prefer Koch.) It's in Virgo, cnj my Mars. In a grand trine with Venus and Chiron.

11th house - I have that energy strong in my chart. Uranus is in my first house, cnj my Mercury, and exactly square my Moon. Aqua is on my IC.

Virgo - I have more planets in that sign than any other, plus my NN is there.

So Jupiter's sign and house placement are strong energies in my chart in other ways too.

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posted December 28, 2009 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Jane, it looks like your Mercury is strong as well.

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posted December 29, 2009 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
You're looking at Mercury b/c of how it disposits Jupiter & all my other Virgo placements? If my Mercury were strong, I would've thought to do that myself.

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posted December 29, 2009 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Yea because it seemed H1 and dispositor of Virgo, it seemed to be coupled too with the Uranus H1 and H11 energy. So an Aquarius Mercury dynamic in translation was what came to mind actually..

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posted December 29, 2009 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
Something my Mercury has noticed...it rules my 8th house and is in Scorpio. I have something similar going on with Mars..it rules my 6th house and is in Virgo.

I feel my Sag Sun, but Sco and Virgo are really strong parts of who I am too. Back when I only knew about Sun sign astrology, the parts of the Sag descriptions that contradicted my Sco and Virgo influences seemed so unlike me.

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posted December 29, 2009 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
Lonake - Well done. I'm also attracted to Aqua/Virgo energies in others. One of my most significant relationships was with a Virgo Sun/Aqua Moon. And most of the people I'm close to have a natal Mercury-Uranus aspect. I thought that was to go along with my own cnj, but it could also be for the Aqua/Virgo affinity**.

**There you go, woah.

Lonake, are you a professional astrologer?

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posted December 29, 2009 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
I always count the Sun's dispositor. Mine is Uranus in Sagittarius in my 7th.

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posted December 29, 2009 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
my venus conjunct pluto is in my 7th house conjunct my descendent. i think that tint of scorpio shows a lot with me. i have taurus rising and ima libra sun. the main thing i notice is the jealousy thing. its a pain in my ass.. even over silly things. i just dont like feeling like i put so much out to people and things and what i get in return is usually less than what i give.. and with libra suppose to being really sociable im far from it. i sorta prefer lone wolfing it. and its been that way my whole life. i mean.. i can make friends easy just majority never get too close. but it seems like i can get people to open up pretty well which is cool. sometimes i feel like a therepist haha. but it takes a while for me to warm up to people.. with the scorpio playing in.. im deffinately drawn to darker subjects and i love watching those shows on different murder cases.. the real ones cause i dont really like watching tv show dramas or whatever.

whats your rising? can you relate to your uranus in scorpio a lot?

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posted December 29, 2009 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
jeepers jane i was mentally chasing you for several blocks as i was reading over this thread. i'm a little disappointed you would just hand it over like that. you got my sag AC all excited and now i'm not sure what to do with this burst of adrenaline (wishin my scorp mercury fella were here to pull me into that trance, as you so aptly described it..). but i forgive you. guess you can't help being so benevolent, given your jupiterian disposition. ahaha aren't i clever.

lonake, really interesting. i have two stellia, though i'm not sure if my neptune-AC-venus really counts, as they are each at a five deg orb (10 deg orb containing all three). my sun conjuncts my mercury and mars (mercury and mars exact by one second, to my sun by 4) in aquarius, so that would definitely give uranus some extra significance, as well as my moon exactly opposing uranus. do you think, then, that i'd filter everything through a scoprionic perspective, somewhat? it's a bit confusing since uranus is a generational planet but yeah it's extra significant to me, so i suppose i channel more of that generational thrust through my particular way of being or some such, hey?

janiepoo, if it helps, you should know *i* (ahem) am an aquarius with a virgo NN conjunct my saturn. mmmm saturn in virgo, sexay. you're welcome for making your life a little brighter..

eta: OH! and my uranus is the exact center/focal ponit of my boomerang, so yeah, it's definitely a big one in my chart. hmmm..

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posted December 29, 2009 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
behold, oh my lord i think you might have just sealed this concept for me! i've always wondered how i, as an aquarian, could be so easily prone to jealousy. i am very emotionally possessive and believe love should be all-consuming. i was FLOORED a couple of weeks ago when me and my guy were on very shakey ground and i was actually attracted to someone else. that never happens.

yeah you know the more i think of it (and i'm sure a lot of it is the affinity thing, since i also have an affinity to mercury and mars in scorp), the more i do relate. i think i just assumed my secretive lone wolf, slow to open up and trust stuff was my aqua and progressed cap rising (where it's been since i was really young). but yeah despite my outgoing and generally very friendly sag AC, i'm actually really really hard to get to know and very slow to trust anyone emotionally. and yeah i'm big into thinking on the nature of death and sex and all that great stuff. so yeah! thanks for sharing your experience.. got any tips on how to deal with it? kinda weird when our actual sun sign is not really that way, hey? i've never really felt comfortable with that part of me, though i do see how it serves me too. but my aqua just wants everything to be free and relaxed, so it's a bit of a challenge to say the least.

weird that i've been trying to figure out my super-scorp guy all this time and it was literally right under my nose. but it makes sense!

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posted December 29, 2009 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
haha yeah glad to bring that scorpioness to the light! you know.. im trying to work on it myself. i have problems with trying to deal with my anger and jealousy all the time. ahhh! if only i had some fire signs to lighten me up every once and a while! haha. well one thing that i do when i feel really down is i try to absorb myself in some sort of project. i really love to paint and draw and stuff so i usually just do that. or i write. that usualy makes me feel better too. but with the jealousy thing.. im still trying to figure it out. i hink the thing that makes it hard is obsessing over it. so i just try to think of something else or something funny or something to get my mind working so im not thinking about it anymore. i think with that uranus in scorpio it makes it alot more obsessive huh? cause aquarius can already get pretty obsessive but that scorpio adds in even more.

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posted December 29, 2009 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry to be so obtuse. My sun is at 29 deg 34 min scorpio making it almost to sag. I have 4 other planets including neptune(ruler of Asc), jupiter(ruler of sag) mer, venus in sag which is my 9th house.
with such stong flavors in my 9th house, shld i consider the sun to be in the 9th house and jupiter to be the influence on sun?
My pluto is in libra with just uranus to give it company.

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posted December 29, 2009 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
i think its important, my sun is in its own sign though?

should i look at my 5th house planets?

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posted December 29, 2009 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message
In astrology, less is more. The more you learn, the easier it is to confuse things. Also keep in mind that there are also a lot of redundancies in the art.

The sun's depositor is important, but only, imo, if you're looking at a chart from a certain perspective. If the Sun's depositor, then what of Venus's & the Moon's, etc.

I believe depositors aren't referred to more frequently because they can lead to a never ending loop...my sun's depositor is Mercury, whose depositor is the Moon, whose depositor is Jupiter...

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