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BeholdAstarte
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posted December 29, 2009 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
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BeholdAstarte
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posted December 29, 2009 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
sorry for so many typos im just too lazy to fix em

oh yeah and now that im thinking about it my mars could be pretty strong too. because its conjunction with my sun is a 0 degree orb too..

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Spanky Butler
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posted December 29, 2009 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
Post your chart hon. It will be much easier than figuring it out by reading the text.

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BeholdAstarte
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Spanky Butler
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posted December 29, 2009 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
Well from a quick look at your chart I would have said Venus because of your Sun + AC.

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blue moon
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posted December 29, 2009 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Venus because you are Taurus Rising.

The planet that rules your chart is the planet ruling the sign on the horizon.

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BeholdAstarte
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posted December 29, 2009 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
yeah.. but ive heard that aspects could do it too? well thats fine with me cause i like venus.. and im sure pluto would have an afect cause its conjunct my venus and its conjunct the descendent. dont those 4 endpoints play a strong role too?

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posted December 29, 2009 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
That sounds like a very convoluted theory to a very simple equation.

Anyone here heard of this?

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BeholdAstarte
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posted December 29, 2009 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
heard of what? that strongly aspected planets could be dominant? uhhhh yeah. ive read it a few times which is why im contemplating that venus might not be my ruling planet even though its ruler of my rising and sun. its not as strongly aspected as my jupiter. thats why im DOUBLE CHECKING

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amowls*
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posted December 29, 2009 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Chart Ruler is the ruler of your ASC. A Dominant planet takes in other factors.

I would say Venus anyway because of your ASC, and Sun + the fact that it's in an angular house. Even though your Mars is conjunct your Sun, it is still detriment in Libra and it's dispositor is Venus anyway.

You could just go to Astro and click on extended chart selection and then click on "pullen astrolog" and scroll down to "simple chart delineation." It tells you your strongest planets.

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Cyprian
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posted December 29, 2009 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyprian     Edit/Delete Message
Blue moon, I cannot agree with you. The planet that is ruling Ascendent is not the strongest in horoscope, for sure. The most known opinions rather say that the planets that are very close to Medium Coeli and Ascendent are the most important. Then planet in conjunction with Sun, Descendent and IC.

So, in fact. Here, in this horoscope the dominate planet is Pluto and Venus (but strongly featured Pluto and Scorpio).

Of course it's only my opinion.

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Cyprian
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posted December 29, 2009 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyprian     Edit/Delete Message
Pluto is closer to Descendent so I would say that you are half Pluto/half Venus person... Descendent is very Venus place in horoscope, as well as Taurus and Libra... But Pluto is the closest planet to your axis...

And look how Scorpio your Venus is...
1) Venus is in conj to Pluto
2) Venus is in Scorpio
3) Pluto is very close to DC

It's interesting how your relationships look like... ?

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vertiver
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posted December 29, 2009 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message
This has always been a tough one for me, because the sun in Leo is always considered the most dominant in my chart and its in the 8th house, its also conjunct mercury and my Asc. ruler - Jupiter in Gemini, so I'm a Mercurian Leo with Pluto influences.

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posted December 29, 2009 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Saturn and Pluto, Jupiter, Mercury and then Venus


  • Saturn in Cap - Dignified-"in its "domicile"
  • Pluto in Scorp - Dignifed-"in its "domicile"
  • Jupiter is Exalted.
  • Mercury (although RX might decrease this) is in the sign of natural ruler and in its natural House.

Venus in 7th- in own natural house, Venus AC plus Venus ruled Sun. I can't decide where Venus would be in the top 5 since it features so much

So, I choose Saturn or Pluto... or Jupiter.

Okay, I can't rank them.

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posted December 29, 2009 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anti-Rufilla     Edit/Delete Message
What is a ruling planet?

I don't think that it's an actual, legitimate astrological figure, and it's more of a personal choice. You can rationalize the choice with aspects and degrees if you'd like, but ultimately, it's really up to you and which planet you think describes you the most!

Maybe that's not what you're looking for, but I personally find myself falling in love with all kinds of planets and comets as my karmic imperative dictates; if I need more perspective, a stronger grip on my mortal life, I'm wrapped up with Pluto; if I find myself feeling lonely and uninspired, I might subconsciously evoke Venus or the Sun for that extra kick.

It sounds like you're looking for a second ascendant.

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posted December 30, 2009 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Chart ruler is synonymous with ruling planet. And it is the ruler of the Ascendant.

If you're looking for planet(s) that are strong in the chart, that is a different factor. The chart ruler may or may not be the strongest planet. There are many variables to consider. Some include: is it exalted, and if it is, is it exalted by degree as well as by sign? in its home sign? does it have many major aspects, including aspects to the angles. is it conjunct an angle? is it the dispositor of a stellium? is it conj the nn? all these and others are factors to take into account.

Again, chart ruler and strongest planet, may be the same, but more often than not they aren't. Even if they aren't, though, the chart ruler, its placement sign and aspects will be important in every single chart that you analyze, be it natal, composite, etc. The ascendant ruler is very important, full-stop. You have to study the whole chart and its themes to find the strongest planet, however.

Like amowls said, look at a quick run-through on astro.com, the Pullen chart, scroll down and it will rank the planets in your natal according to its methods, which are very similar to what I wrote above. They do all the work and are perfect for quick answers such as this. Keep in mind too most charts will have more than 1 "strongest" planet.

Edit: Personally I'd rank your chart Venus/Pluto/Saturn. But I can see how it's easier to access the Venus/Scorpio energy than the Capricorn which despite its strength is somewhat tied in knots.

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Cyprian
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posted December 30, 2009 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyprian     Edit/Delete Message
Lonake, thank your for posting this comment.
I thought that all of you treat the ruler of Ascendnet as the strongest planet/the most influential... That was for me incomprehnsive, because most of the planets that rules Ascendent is not the strongest one.

Do you maybe know who Michel Gauquelin is? He made some statisticks abut having planet on Ascendent and Medium Coeli (Midheaven) to prove astrology... And he made it successfully. He cut off all the horoscope, paid attention just on the planets in MC or AC. His statisticks prove the credibility of astrology and show how powerful are planet next to MC or AC... A bit less powerful are planets close to IC,DC or Sun and Moon but also strong!

In my humble opinion interpretation of horoscope should begin with finding planets closest to MC, AC, DC, IC or planets in conj to Sun and Moon and then paying atention how it relates to the other parts of horoscope, or if other parts of horoscopes strenghten this or make some conlifct...

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posted December 30, 2009 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
thanks for all your guys input! awesome discriptions. ive just always been curious on what planet would be my strongest influence and biggest impact. sorta like whats my planet/s ya know? becuase i can relate to a lot of them. if i were to start thinking individually on each planet and how it affects me there is alot of influence for each. i like all the planets i can see the goods and bads for all them. the thing about mercury is that its on a cusp. and i dont believe that cusps are one or the other their both.. cause when it comes to day dreaming and mental laziness im completely giulty for it. i can see the virgo influence too but my moons in virgo too so its kinda hard for me to tell. so im sorta iffy on mercury being stronger cause its on a cusp of virgo

when i was reading about bowl charts it mentions that the opposing planets that are on the rim of the bowl have a focal point in the personality along with the leading planet. which is why i think jupiter is strong beucase it also has the most aspects. and with jupiter and neptune aspecting my ascendent with a 0 degree orb i can really see both in me alot. ive always been a day dreamer and im really overly optimistic which gets me in trouble sometimes.. and that neptune fog is always messing with my head. but at the same time those earth and water signs can really make me pessimistic. soo idk.

ohh the relationship influence with my venus and pluto is crazy. when i really start to dig deep on those placement discriptions it makes so much sense. especially when i read the discription on taurus rising with a scorpio venus. it said how through the pain you learn to have a more loving way of living which has had a really big affect on me and growing up. theres alot of accounts of betrayal and power plays with people. a lot of friends that i have made growing up where really dominating. or i was the dominater haha but i really think that venus eased that pluto out alitte.. not too much but a bit. because i dont mind being submissive one bit. its that me or the people im with let us do it. its like either or is submissive and is asking to take control and lead the way and if no ones gonna do im sure as hell gonna go for it and lead the way.the problem is with people im close with and family.because i could care less about what people do or say or believe in alot more now than before. its not my place to tell anyone how to live..buuuut i deffinately will tell family members what to do if i hink its right.haha like health wise and stuff but only if i think they really need it.. like its derimental to their health.if their not gonna do it i mine as well do it for them.. i sorta learned growing up you cant rely on peoples words.. like that old term "actions speak louder than words". but i do that allll the time too. so thats probably why i have so many people around doing it too becuase i constantly have people mirroring me. which is fine becuase it reminds me what i need to be working on.

so i think that pluto has a pretty strong hold on me for the most part though. im constantly skeptical and suspiscous of everyone and everything and i have obsessive tendancies and the anger.. which im know theres a few other sources to it.. can get out of control sometimes. not to make excuses for it.. but it sure makes it easier to understand when it happens to you on a daily bases..

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posted December 30, 2009 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
see!? haha reading back its hard to place one over the other huh? hmm well i suppose theres just more than one well i already figured that but i mean.. like 4 or 5 strong influences.

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posted December 30, 2009 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurus77     Edit/Delete Message
your dominant planet its saturn because:
it it in its own rulership(cappy)
it is positioned in mc

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posted December 30, 2009 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
yeah i can see that saturn influence. i can be a prety cold person. but its not too close to my MC. and plutos in its ruler sign scorpio and its conjucnt my AC and sun sign ruler venus conjunct my Descendent. i can see the plutonian wrath before that cold saturn logic for sure.

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Cyprian
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posted December 30, 2009 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyprian     Edit/Delete Message
Behold,

being a cold person is also domain of Pluto.
And all of us can feel influence of all the planets. We have them all in our horoscope so we have to feel them. The other factor are transits, which can stimulate some planets.

You have to feel saturn also because of the square to Sun in Libra, and moreover Libra is a bit Saturnic zodiac because Libra pay attention on maneers, conventions, a surface...

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posted December 30, 2009 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurus77     Edit/Delete Message
so i think the conclusion i think will be
ruling planet-venus
dominant planet-saturn+pluto
i can say thay you can be
serious,wise,grave,severe,brave and respected at work,magnetic from pluto,authoritian,passionate and something like that.
do you find your self with this description?

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Cyprian
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posted December 30, 2009 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyprian     Edit/Delete Message
why Saturn ? :O
It's not so close to Midheaven.

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