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posted December 31, 2009 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Hi DD & Lara -

I have a soulmate question! If either or both of you could take the time to answer this I would really appreciate it. I thought I'd ask you girls because I know you're very interested in asteroids and have done your own research on this

I'm basically curious about a person who I've known for a couple of years now. I believe I may have shared past lives with this person. However I don't think we were "romantically involved" in these previous lives. I met him at a point in my life when I was having some problems and he helped me a lot.. I feel a VERY deep affection & trust when I look into his eyes. We have a close friendship.

What I am wondering about is.. what SORT of relationship would we have had in the past? A family relationship - a friendship - co-workers.. I'm just not sure..

I'd like to know first of all – whether you guys think he is a soulmate of mine.. and secondly if you had to take an educated guess.. what would you say our past life or lives together - involved? What were we to each other?

Thank you so MUCH!!!

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posted December 31, 2009 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Synastry:

These are the main asteroid conjunctions we have (as far as I've checked).. The only other two I noticed were.. His Kaali conjunct my Pallas.. and Lust1 & 2 are on my AC-DC axis.. His is on my AC and mine is on my DC - opposite each other.

OH! And I almost forgot.. my Juno is at 16' Sag trine his Jupiter at 14' Leo.. His own Juno is at 10' Virgo opposite my Jupiter at 9 Pisces.

My chart:

His chart:

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posted December 31, 2009 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
I'm about to see him in about an hour for New Years.. I don't know why but I'm so excited. First time he's seeing me in a nice formal dress.. so vain! lol

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posted December 31, 2009 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoCake     Edit/Delete Message
mmm, his mars falling in your 5th house will spice the things

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posted December 31, 2009 04:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Is it possible to show natals as well ~ I like researching romance synastry between different generations.

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posted December 31, 2009 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
hehe yes, there is some spice! there is also a good friendship.. it's a nice mix

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posted December 31, 2009 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Lonake - sure I will post them for you.

It's interesting you mentioned the generation-situation. I honestly never thought I could do this.. It surprises me that it is actually NOT at all significant between us.
Maybe it's also because we met through work and have lots of interests in common. Our convos last hours.

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posted December 31, 2009 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Lonake - I'll post them tomorrow. My comp is being slow & annoying.. and I'm getting ready to leave

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posted December 31, 2009 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Vapor, I was referring more to something I've noticed in synastry regarding natal generational afflictions or point of potential conflict if you like, one natal and another, and then seeing how it may be alleviated through contact, mostly romantic but friendship as well, across the generations. A quick look at synastry shows some afflictions being brought to the other's chart from the other generation but thats stating something pretty prematurely cos I have a feeling the natals would give more of a clue. That's my mercury/jupiter never-ending explanation

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posted December 31, 2009 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
Happy New Year Vapor Lash!

Pinch his bum for me will you?

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posted December 31, 2009 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
The way you describe your feelings, it would remind me of a family-connection or a relationship that was as close as a family-one.
I have that with one guy. There is this comfort and trust and caring, that is beyond anything I had experienced before. My Moon is nearly exactly conjunct his SN.

So to find out what your past lives may have been, I would look at following things:

1. Conjunctions of tropical objects to SN

2. conjunctions (maybe also oppositions and trines) of tropical objects to Karma

3. conjunctions / oppositions of Draco objects to tropical SN

4. conjunctions / oppositions of Draco objects to tropical Karma

5. aspects from Draco objects to Draco objects, especially oppositions -
why oppositions?
Because if we calculated the Dracos with the SOUTH node instead of the NN as we do now, all oppositions in the usual Draco-chart would appear as conjunctions in the SOUTH NODE Draco chart.


6. MOON and SATURN shifted charts


7. PERSONA charts of SOUTH NODE and KARMA, maybe also SATURN


Let me brainstorm a bit about possible relevant objects in different relationships:

a) love relationships
Venus, Mars, Juno, Valentine, Eros, Psyche, Aphrodite


b) intellectual ones, maybe teacher-pupil or coworkers (Jupiter/chiron-Mercury is more teacher-pupil, Pallas, Athena, Minerva are more indicative of coworkers)
Mercury, Jupiter, Pallas, (Athena, Minerva), Chiron


c) brothers / sisters
Apollo, Diana / Artemis,
Isis, Nephtys


d) family relationships
Moon, IC, Saturn
Ceres / Demeter, Persephone / Proserpina
(Put Pluto into the equation and you get the whole family drama)
Latona / Leto, Apollo, Artemis / Diana


I would also look at the asteroids:
Angel and Spirit


Now there are some asteroid, that I called "nasties" (not because they are necessarily nasty, but they can be indicative of hurt or powerplays etc.)
Nessus, Lucifer, -
Chiron, Saturn, Pluto (Saturn and Pluto are not in itself bad or nasty, but their lessons can be hard to learn)

The other category I would keep in mind, are "Soothies":
Angel,
Jupiter, Neptune
Chiron (Chiron can be about healing and hurting)

Of course this is just a brainstorming.

Regarding the question if you are soulmates, I would check (and some may disagree on this) for exact / tight aspects to:
- Moon
- IC
- ruler of 4th, 8th and 12th house
- soulmate pairings in strong aspects (especially conjunction, opposition and trine, but I wouldn`t disregard an exact sextile)
- exact conjunctions opposition, trines to ASC

all of these particularly in aspect to:
- themselves
- Sun
- nodal axis
(- Saturn - this one could be more about Karma itself)
- Neptune
- Pluto
- Psyche

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posted December 31, 2009 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
hi!

i know you didnt asked me hihihi

But there are some conections that seem very powerful and contribute to you feeling like hs is probably a SM.

Valentine/asc cj
Pluto cj one´s mars/asc..this can indicate some power struggles and manipulation,from your part.do you feel any kind of obssessiveness torwards him?

his osiris cj your isis/osiris cj:this for itself shows a soulmate pairing.your feminine energie conects to his masculine energy and isis/osiris are seen as a very spiritual conection as it stands for soulmate feeling.not only that but you represent to each other the ideal partner.your moon there also blends well,being moon the feminine emotional planet,linked to his osiris ( perfect partner)

isis with karma/vesta cj: you might be felt as an ideal partner,from a karmic point of view,to him.vesta there adds a quality of purity and service( vesta connects with a goddess of worship and service to higher values)

amor/union cj with amor: romantic love associated with the asteroid of unification,of spiritual conection.

venus/node cj node:this one is hossom and appears very often in relationships..it is your path to love one another

his DSC cj your venus/node nce again a lovely conjunction,where he is t the same time,a perfect partner who crossed your path,and you´re also the ideal woman(venus) to his life ( conected to his dsc).

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posted December 31, 2009 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with Diandra´s interpretation except for one thing.
I don´t think Amor is necessarily romantic; it is more a form of compassionate, forgiving, understanding loving.

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DiandraReborn25
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posted December 31, 2009 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
DD

Is it'?i always thought that amor was similar to cupid.

but you´re the Teatcher on myths

thank you for the correction!

I hope you have a wonderful new year.

im at jhn´s house now hihii

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posted December 31, 2009 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Diandra,

it is like the Greek Eros is being split in Roman mythology into two Gods:

1) Cupid
Which relates to romance and being "in love".

2) Amor
the soulful one, with unconditional, yet sometimes platonic, love for someone


I have also found that delineation in a book about asteroids by Leeman, and I have seen it in real life, too.
Amor seems to be just about loving someone, caring for them, sometimes to the point that it takes "some broken bones" to wake up (that was a quote from the Leeman`s book).


I have that with someone, my Mars and Amor are conjunct his Amor, and trine his Jupiter-Karma-conjunction.
I feel an endless stream of love and forgiveness for him, yet not necessarily romantic (of course his Eros is exactly conjunct my Venus - so that complicates matters a bit).

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posted December 31, 2009 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry guys, i can't get into this today - bad hair day!!

Happy New Year to you all, my lovelies and i promise to look at this in depth in next day or two.

In truth, DD and Diandra are way more experienced at this than me!

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posted December 31, 2009 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Happy new year to you, too, Lara!
I really hope things will take a better turn for you.


As a matter of fact, happy new year to all of you.

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posted December 31, 2009 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message

Happy New Year for everyone"

think happy thoughts!

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posted December 31, 2009 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
DD - wow that's extremely helpful! Thank you so much for taking the time to post all of that. I'll go through it step by step - very interesting

About DRACO charts - we have almost the exact same aspects in DRACO (very slight difference in degree), because our NNs are conjunct. Should I just stick to comparing tropical-draco synastry instead?

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The way you describe your feelings, it would remind me of a family-connection or a relationship that was as close as a family-one.

That is possible. I was leaning towards family as well - because the connection & the trust were immediate and he has never let me down.


Diandra - Thank you! Everything you said makes a lot of sense. I feel this constant interesting back and forth between us, which makes me think we both see the other person as "ideal" in more ways than one. We have some differences as well, but who doesn't? And I couldn't image all those trines in the absence of the oppositions & squares (I think things would get dull)

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this can indicate some power struggles and manipulation,from your part.do you feel any kind of obssessiveness torwards him?

No, I don't. I've had many Plutonian encounters in the past and I think I've learnt form them. So far, the Mars/Pluto plays out as a strengthening influence. I think he feels backed-up by me in everything he says/does, and I often feel the same way. I think this adds to the sexual attraction as well.. but in a very healthy way (surprisingly! Lol I *do* realize how insane this aspect could get, at least in theory). If Pluto is a symbol of power, I am using this "power" - whatever influence I have over him - to make him feel good and not at all to manipulate.

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posted December 31, 2009 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Pinch his bum for me will you?

Spanky - lol I did..........not........ I chickened out I was very tempted to does that count? lol

I like the fact that we spend NYE together. I am a little superstitious about it - so this was a good sign. It wasn't just "us". There were a few people there and we were also invited but we had a cute and very secret talk at one point. He's so sweet. I get butterflies in my stomach lol Whenever I mention him to one of my friends, she does the *gag* reflex as a joke because I get that sentimental. For anyone who knows me - it's weird because normally I don't go there.. but he just makes me feel that way!

Lara Thank you for offering to have a look at this when you get a chance! I enjoy reading your take on things - it's always to the point.

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posted December 31, 2009 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Lonake - here are our natal charts..

His:

Mine:

When you mentioned afflictions - were you referring to the Pluto/Uranus oppositions and the Chiron stuff? I'm not very big on Chiron (I know that Magi-Astrology uses Chiron - I've just never noticed huge effects from it in my life). I think you mentioned Chiron previously, if you remember.. when I posted our composite a while ago. What would be your take on these afflictions?
So far my own interpretation is that they add spice to the trines we have.. My favorite affliction is his Venus opposite my Jupiter/Merc mid-point.. I think this aspect has been responsible for many fun and playful debates lol

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posted December 31, 2009 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message

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posted January 01, 2010 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Vapor Lash,

"About DRACO charts - we have almost the exact same aspects in DRACO (very slight difference in degree), because our NNs are conjunct. Should I just stick to comparing tropical-draco synastry instead?"

I am very much on the fence about this one. Actually I think that the tropical-Draco aspect would show where a past life influence (Draco) still affects the present incarnation (tropical). So a tropical-Draco aspect wouldn`t really tell anything about a pure past life scenario.

If the two NN`s are exact conjunct, it maybe means that the past life scenario is being repeated in a sense? Of course with modifications as shown in the DracoTropical aspects?

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posted January 01, 2010 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Vapor Lash,

actually, square and oppositions to midpoints are usually not considered being afflictions, but only triggers. So you are on the good side with that!

And Venus=Jupiter/Mercury sounds delicious for communication.

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