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Topic: House Systems
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Predominantlyfire
Knowflake Posts: 111
From: Isle of Wight, U.K
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted January 02, 2010 05:37 AM
 
Hi. I'm not into really long replies that are basically copy and pasted from a book. So my question is i just wanted to know in a concise, broad, and succint way how and why a planet can be in a different house depending on what system is used, and why more than one is valid. Like my Moon is in 2nd house on one system and 3rd on another. Which one is right? How come we don't just use equal all the time. Sorry for my ignorance on the subject. I'm genuinely interested in this, although it's one of the areas of astrology that gets a bit too 'wooly' for me if you know what i mean. And i don't really do wooly.
Concise answers only please. No copy and pasting. No links.
And can the moderators please change my title soon please.------------------
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taurus77
Knowflake Posts: 16
From: albania
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted January 02, 2010 05:50 AM
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DD
Knowflake Posts: 2544
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posted January 02, 2010 05:52 AM
Not sure, if this question can be answered in a short way. Let me try:
In the beginning astrologers used the Whole houses system and the equal system, which a reflection of the natural zodiac. Somewhen later astrologers found new methods calculating housesystems, using trigonemtry.
They used a difference "reference-frame" for their housesystems. For the ancient ones it was the ecliptic (like the zodiac).
During the middle ages they used "space" (trigonemtry) or "time" as reference frames to build their calculations on.
Systems, based on space, are Regiomontanus for example.
Time systems are Placidus or Koch. Regarding the question if they are all valid, I think there are many answers to that, or many opinions. Since they are usually based on subjective experience, they are exactly that - subjective.
My opinion is that from a theoretical point of view the equal system makes the most sense for me (followed by Whole sign houses), especially since it also works at the poles (which the others don`t).
Practically I still cling to Placidus, as it works so superbly. Or as I can work well with it.
Difficult question.
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Predominantlyfire
Knowflake Posts: 111
From: Isle of Wight, U.K
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted January 02, 2010 05:55 AM
If the ecliptic had no obliquity at all, would the equal system be the only one? That is to say, are all the various house systems ways of calibrating for this obliquity? I've heard that there are some places in the world that never see certain signs rise. That is interesting isn't it. ------------------
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DD
Knowflake Posts: 2544
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posted January 02, 2010 06:07 AM
" the ecliptic had no obliquity at all, would the equal system be the only one? That is to say, are all the various house systems ways of calibrating for this obliquity?"
Yes, I think so.The non-equal systems use the ASC as 1st house cusp and the MC as 10th house cusp, and because of the obliquity those are not always 90 degrees apart from each other.
" I've heard that there are some places in the world that never see certain signs rise."
That is actually true for every system, including the equal. Some degrees will never rise at the North pole for example.
BUT at least there will be always a rising sign.
The inequal systems have the problem that above 66 degrees N and S, MC and ASC can fall onto the exact same degree.
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pire
Knowflake Posts: 1130
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 02, 2010 06:43 AM
I can't tell you why there are different systems because
a)I don't know
b)you don't deserve itperso, I use a mix of equal and whole signs. equal for the cusp of the house and whole sign for the planetary placement. because I think equal system houses cusps are important too. and if you have, say, your sun in cancer at 10° and your rising at 25°ancer, I believe it is in your first house, just not conjunct the first house cusp. IP: Logged |
Predominantlyfire
Knowflake Posts: 111
From: Isle of Wight, U.K
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted January 02, 2010 07:37 AM
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I can't tell you why there are different systems because
a)I don't know
b)you don't deserve it
I forgive you for that offensive post pire. I'm going to extend the olive branch to you in the hope that people will follow my lead on here. It's not easy being a laeding light because sometimes you know even i just want to misbehave, but i have a responsibility because i know people will always want to copy me, as i'm probably the closest thing to Linda they'll ever meet. I feel it's my atonement and so i choose to set a good example.
I forgive you pire. And, yes, i love you.
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vapor-lash
Knowflake Posts: 309
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Registered: Nov 2009
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posted January 02, 2010 07:43 AM
I have no clue...
Whatsoever.
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PeaceAngel
Moderator Posts: 3096
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 02, 2010 07:46 AM
Oh geez. Sticking the knife in laced with arrogant humour whilst offering an olive branch. Pire's post wasn't friendly either, I understand.  Clearly there is some history here that I have missed.I hope that the olive branch was offered genuinely and will be received so.  guys. IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
Knowflake Posts: 309
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posted January 02, 2010 07:55 AM
PA - everyone messes with PF jokingly. This has been going on for (well probably as far back as him joining LL).And he does it also. There's no beef. IP: Logged |
Predominantlyfire
Knowflake Posts: 111
From: Isle of Wight, U.K
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted January 02, 2010 08:02 AM
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This has been going on for (well probably as far back as him joining LL)
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There's no beef.
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