posted January 09, 2010 04:02 PM         

Umm......it's a lot more complicated than that.

"This article contains a list of animals displaying homosexual behavior. See also Homosexual behavior in animals.
Roy and Silo, two Central Park Zoo male Chinstrap Penguins similar to those pictured, became internationally known when they coupled and later were given an egg that needed hatching and care, which they successfully did.[1]

This list includes animals (birds, mammals, insects, fish etc.) for which there is documented evidence of homosexual or transgender behavior of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting, as noted in researcher and author Bruce Bagemihl's 1999 book Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity.

Bagemihl writes that the presence of same-sex sexual behavior was not 'officially' observed on a large scale until the 1990s due to possible observer bias caused by social attitudes towards LGBT people making the homosexual theme taboo.[2][3] Bagemihl devotes three chapters; Two Hundred Years at Looking at Homosexual Wildlife, Explaining (Away) Animal Homosexuality and Not For Breeding Only in his 1999 book Biological Exuberance to the "documentation of systematic prejudices" where he notes "the present ignorance of biology lies precisely in its single-minded attempt to find reproductive (or other) "explanations" for homosexuality, transgender, and non-procreative and alternative heterosexualities.[4] Petter Bøckman, academic adviser for the Against Nature? exhibit states

"[M]any researchers have described homosexuality as something altogether different from sex. They must realise that animals can have sex with who they will, when they will and without consideration to a researcher's ethical principles".

Homosexual behavior is widespread amongst social birds and mammals, particularly the sea mammals and the primates.[3]

"No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphids. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue."
—Petter Bøckman[3]

Animal sexual behavior takes many different forms, even within the same species and the motivations for and implications of their behaviors have yet to be fully understood. Bagemihl's research shows that homosexual behavior, not necessarily sex, has been observed in close to 1500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.[5][6]

Homosexuality in animals is seen as controversial because some assert it points to the naturalness of homosexuality in humans, while others counter that it has no implications and is nonsensical to use animal behavior to justify what is or is not immoral.[7][8] Animal preference and motivation is always inferred from behavior. Thus homosexual behavior has been given a number of terms over the years. The correct usage of the term homosexual is that an animal exhibits homosexual behavior, however this article conforms to the usage by modern research[9][10][11][12] applying the term homosexuality to all sexual behavior (copulation, genital stimulation, mating games and sexual display behavior) between animals of the same sex."

a soulmate,twin flame relationship relationship doesn't necessarily have to involve procreating with each other. There are people that don't have the ability to procreate wih people. Does that mean that they can't have soulmate,twin soul relationships? I don't think so.

Klinefelter Syndrome:

Klinefelter's syndrome, 47, XXY, or XXY syndrome is a condition in which males have an extra X sex chromosome. While females have an XX chromosomal makeup, and males an XY, affected individuals have at least two X chromosomes and at least one Y chromosome.[1] Klinefelter's syndrome is the most common sex chromosome disorder[2] and the second most common condition caused by the presence of extra chromosomes. The condition exists in roughly 1 out of every 1,000 males. One in every 500 males have an extra X chromosome but do not have the syndrome.[3]

The principal effects are development of small testicles and reduced fertility. A variety of other physical and behavioral differences and problems are common, though severity varies and many boys and men with the condition have few detectable symptoms. The syndrome was named after Dr. Harry Klinefelter, an endocrinologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts, who first described it in 1942.[4] Because of the extra chromosome, individuals with the condition are usually referred to as "XXY Males", or "47, XXY Males"

ffected males are almost always effectively infertile, although advanced reproductive assistance is sometimes possible.[6] Some degree of language learning impairment may be present,[7] and neuropsychological testing often reveals deficits in executive functions.[8] In adults, possible characteristics vary widely and include little to no signs of affectedness, a lanky, youthful build and facial appearance, or a rounded body type with some degree of gynecomastia (increased breast tissue).[9] Gynecomastia is present to some extent in about a third of affected individuals, a slightly higher percentage than in the XY population, but only about 10% of XXY males' gynecomastia is noticeable enough to require surgery.[10]

The term hypogonadism in XXY symptoms is often misinterpreted to mean "small testicles" or "small penis". In fact, it means decreased testicular hormone/endocrine function. Because of this hypogonadism, patients will often have a low serum testosterone level but high serum follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH) levels.[11] Despite this misunderstanding of the term, however, it is true that XXY men often also have microorchidism (i.e. small testicles).[11]

The more severe end of the spectrum of symptom expression is also associated with an increased risk of germ cell tumors, breast cancer,[12] and osteoporosis,[3] risks shared to varying degrees[13] with females. Additionally, medical literature shows some individual case studies of Klinefelter's syndrome coexisting with other disorders, such as pulmonary disease, varicose veins, diabetes mellitus, and rheumatoid arthritis, but possible correlations between Klinefelter's and these other conditions are not well characterized or understood.[citation needed]

In contrast to these potentially increased risks, it is currently thought that rare X-linked recessive conditions occur less frequently in XXY males than in normal XY males, since these conditions are transmitted by genes on the X chromosome, and people with two X chromosomes are typically only carriers rather than affected by these X-linked recessive conditions.

There are many variances within the XXY population, just as in the most common 46,XY population. While it is possible to characterise 47,XXY males with certain body types, that in itself should not be the method of identification as to whether or not someone has 47,XXY. The only reliable method of identification is karyotype testing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter%27s_syndrome

Turner syndrome

Turner syndrome or Ullrich-Turner syndrome (also known as "Gonadal dysgenesis"[1]:550) encompasses several conditions, of which monosomy X (absence of an entire sex chromosome) is most common. It is a chromosomal disorder in which all or part of one of the sex chromosomes is absent (unaffected humans have 46 chromosomes, of which 2 are sex chromosomes). Typical females have 2 X chromosomes, but in Turner syndrome, one of those sex chromosomes is missing or has other abnormalities. In some cases, the chromosome is missing in some cells but not others, a condition referred to as mosaicism[2] or 'Turner mosaicism'.

Occurring in 1 out of every 2500 girls, the syndrome manifests itself in a number of ways. There are characteristic physical abnormalities, such as short stature, swelling, broad chest, low hairline, low-set ears, and webbed necks.[3] Girls with Turner syndrome typically experience gonadal dysfunction (non-working ovaries), which results in amenorrhea (absence of menstrual cycle) and sterility. Concurrent health concerns are also frequently present, including congenital heart disease, hypothyroidism (reduced hormone secretion by the thyroid), diabetes, vision problems, hearing concerns, and many autoimmune diseases.[4] Finally, a specific pattern of cognitive deficits is often observed, with particular difficulties in visuospatial, mathematical, and memory areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner%27s_Syndrome

I am male with high estrogen levels that were confirmed by Veteran Affairs blood hormonal testing,and I have preference for females. I even have highly feminine finger ratios (index fingers longer than ring fingers) which indicate being exposed to more estrogen than testosterone when I was in my mother's womb. Therefore, I am a sex hormonal divergent type,and so I don't fit the traditional stereotypes of males.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 09, 2010 04:12 PM         

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I am male with high estrogen levels that were confirmed by Veteran Affairs blood hormonal testing,and I have preference for females. Therefore, I am a sex hormonal divergent type,and so I don't fit the traditional stereotypes of males.

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posted January 09, 2010 04:18 PM         

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as with me it hurts to hear John say that someone else is his true soulmate

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How do you know that he isn't being sincere and you're not lying to yourself. Because you FEEL it? You need to accept reality for what it is, not for what you wish it to be. If he said that it may be the truth and for you to live in denial of it only works against your own growth.

posted January 09, 2010 04:32 PM         

It was the Twin Flame card.

page 102 in the book said the following:

Often, twin flames incarnate together during their last lifetime on Earth--after the reincarnation cycle has been completed,and all karma has been balanced. Until that lifetime, however, twin flames usually don't incarnate simultaneously but instead volunteer to function as one's another's spirit guides. So your twin flame could be guiding you from the other side, helping you with every area of your life, including romance with a soulmate.

I am not looking for a twin flame. I am just a man that just wants to be with a spiritually oriented woman who will be my wife,be the mother of my future children, and be my partner in my life purpose as a neuro-diversity advocate.

It seems that my twin flame is on the other side helping me like a spirit guide,angel.

with very strong transneptunian energy in connected to my Moon and Venus, my anima is very metaphysically oriented. It also indicates my desire for deep soul relationships. Relationships with females involve evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences.

also with my Moon square Neptune and Venus parallel Neptune, I really need to make sure that I don't deceive,confuse myself when it comes to women. There is possibility that can overidealize women, thinking that they are my twin flames,soulpartners when they are not. However,it can also indicate compassionate,inspirational,mystical connection with women. My Moon square Saturn and Venus contraparallel Saturn can indicate that I have practicality,pragmaticism,and grounding. It could also indicate shyness,insecurity which can interfere with my being in a relationship.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 09, 2010 04:44 PM         

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Rhett and Scarlett were TF's?? They were the most selfish and unevolved people with the worst relationship. This makes no sense to me, except that they were exactly alike in their selfishness and ego, but Polo says there is no ego in TF relationships. I am starting to think TF's is a creation of man, to elevate Their relationship above others (ego).
No offense, but this is how I am starting to see it.

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The term "Twin Flames" of course, is an invention of man, but the quality of the actual relationship is the creation of God. Who says that Rhett and Scarlett were Twin Flames? In the beginning I said that the difference was that Soul Mates have a connection to each other, as it is in "Gone With the Wind", but Twin Flames form a trinity with God.

The problem is that everyone keeps claiming "Twin Flame, Twin Flame" because they are passionately in love with someone. Love blinds individuals! That's why these subjective proclamations mean nothing. There is a type of relationship that transcends ego from the start, automatically, beyond any conscious choice of your own. The fact that one has so little control over the things that transpire is exactly what causes one to wonder.

Is this a soul mate...? Is it a twin flame...? All I can say for certain that in these instances there is a higher law of governance that directs the course of events. It could be that we actually orchestrate it all subconsciously beyond our conscious awareness. When this occurs there is no ego control and one who may have lived their entire lives disconnected from the self will return to the awareness of their own vulnerability. This is the nature of that kind of relationship experience.

Sex will not be the dominant theme! You don't feel any need to possess the other... It's more a desire to be honestly expressed to another and them back to you. You don't wanna lie or pretend because it feels to be a violation on the deepest levels. Thoughts of lying bring feelings of fear and if the ego is built on lies, then the ego must go, and it does, on it's own. It feels as if it dissolves in the presence of this person and you cannot look at them and not think of God at the same time.

posted January 09, 2010 05:12 PM         

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Well, I was told by the angels and God at one point that he was my brother. and I saw it in his eyes and somehow knew as the energy surged through my body. That was why I asked God about him and why he was my brother. God and the angels DO NOT LIE! I am not lying to myself about that. As to why it hurts me I just do not have a clue.

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How do God and the Angels speak to you? What kind of communication is it? How can you be certain that it is in fact God and the Angels, and too, what exactly are God and the Angels?

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Often, twin flames incarnate together during their last lifetime on Earth--after the reincarnation cycle has been completed,and all karma has been balanced. Until that lifetime, however, twin flames usually don't incarnate simultaneously but instead volunteer to function as one's another's spirit guides. So your twin flame could be guiding you from the other side, helping you with every area of your life, including romance with a soulmate.

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How could or would somebody know something like this? It's no different than saying when you die this or that will happen. Who can prove it? See, but then you read it and say, "I'm gonna believe this" and take it on as an event for your life. That whole concept could be complete BS and it started with Plato's interpretation. When a person is not alive in the physical body none of us know anything about anything that goes on. One can only speculate and if they can do more, then they need to have some objective proof to back it up.

One of the first things one needs to understand is that Magic does not exist. There is no such thing as magic. Magic suggests that things can simply occur without cause. Magic is in opposition to causality which means that magic is incongruent with reality itself, therefore magic cannot really exist. An illusionist or a liar can alter one's perception of reality and make things appear to be magical, but this is just a trick. Nothing occurs outside of the law of cause and effect.

Anyone here has the option to believe whatever they want to believe, but don't be surprised or shocked when the consequences come as a result of your false beliefs, because remember, you chose to believe in it, so you chose to bring them upon yourself.

You can't choose wrong and expect to get right. You can't choose darkness and expect to get light. If you claim to be higher don't speak like a liar. (I am not addressing you Glaucus, I'm just speaking generally.)

posted January 09, 2010 05:18 PM         

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Wow I'm on my last life. I never realized they met on the last life - what happens if they refuse to play catch up?!

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Do you see what I mean? You still don't realize it, that's hearsay! This may be your first life. This may be your only life. The people who write these things that you read make you feel and believe that you are an expert in the field when they themselves are not experts.

I feel you would do best to closely analyze your own experience first without any outside influence to tell you what it is or what it means. Let reality have a say before you form a belief.

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Q said they were TF's earlier in this thread

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Maybe I.Q. should have called them soul mates. This is the reason why these terms must be more clearly defined. I swear, I think some people believe they are with a twin flame simply because they are hot for somebody and they are feeling really horny. This is sad...

posted January 09, 2010 05:31 PM         

I also have doubts about some people finding their twin flames, let alone being advanced souls. The things that I have seen some people say and do make me feel that they are still in their ego. Things like name-calling,judging others, and biased opinions are of the ego. I don't believe them to be of the soul and higher self.

If people are name-calling,have problems with possessiveness,jealousy, and/or identify with form in some way whether it's their sex,race,nationality,etc, I strongly doubt that they are advanced souls in any way.

I also believed that an advanced soul wouldn't even point out that he/she is an advanced soul. I believe that an advanced soul wouldn't need to point that out. His/her actions will prove that he is an advanced soul.

If the people aren't advanced souls and they believe that they are united with twin flames, I strongly doubt those are their twin souls nor even their soulmates, but people that they feel a strong sexual,romantic connection that involves a strong attachment. I believe that many confuse these feelings with twin soul connections which seemed to be based on complete selflessness and detachment, not identifying with form.

When you have those type of pseudo-twin flame,soulmate relationships, they can end in a lot of hurt, missing that person which is based on attachment. There tends to be security,self worth issues connected too. When you have those type of issues,it makes you more susceptible to being cheated on,abused,and betrayed. I have read way too many stories in this forum to think otherwise. Sexual intercourse can also intensify that feeling, and that tends to be based on attachment.

I think that too many people are still attached to egoic patterns,concerns to actually be advanced souls, let alone in being twin flame relationships.

I think that an actual twin flame relationship would be about two people with mutual awareness,understanding. It would seem like there would be no fear,attachment, posessiveness,jealousy,nor a need to run away. If anything, a twin flame relationship could be about courage,discipline,awareness,and commitment in all its totality. Of course,detachment and liberation would seem a big part of it too. The relationship would seem to be about letting go instead of holding on. The couple encourage them to be themselves and not change each other. This doesn't mean enabling people's unhealthy habits which tends to happen in egoic relationships.

All of this is just my opinion.

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 09, 2010 05:45 PM         

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All of this is just my opinion.

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Yes, but your opinion is consistent with reality and rings very true. I agree with it all. A man who knows something knows how very little he actually knows. The more you learn, the more you see there is to know. The magnitude of it all humbles a person.

I used to ask people a question and so now I think I will ask it of all of you _

On a scale from 0 - 10 with 0 representing a point of no knowledge, as in death or unconsciousness, and 10 representing the eternal knowledge of God's all knowingness, where would you place yourself on this scale. What number would you give to yourself and why?

posted January 09, 2010 06:03 PM         

For one: I don't listen to BS
For two: no one told me! I've been saying it ever since I could talk!!!
For three: no one told me Peter was my TF either.

Ok? So please stop judging me and others because it's very EGO-driven and that makes me suspicious as to your writings and how much of them you get from the net

posted January 09, 2010 06:07 PM         

I once wrote a poem called "I Know Nothing" back in 2001.

interestingly 0 has no end and no beginning. It's not a positive integer nor a negative integer. It's neutral. There are no sides for people to choose. Nobody is at the head nor at the foot. The fictional Round Table was based on that concept. In the end, the Round Table was torn apart by the ego.
The last knight that completed the Round Table,Galahad was personification of purity and had no egoic concerns. 0 has no container. It's a ring where nothing is truly inside and is not truly outside, but everything inside and outside is connected as they merge.

My Moon is in the nakshtra of Satabishak.
its symbol happens to be the empty circle.
http://www.laurabarat.org/The%20Nakshatras.htm

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 09, 2010 06:10 PM         

can we actually reach the 10?of when we know it all and so there´s no point to live/experience this matrix?

i guess then i will only reach 10 on my last reincarnation.i have a long way to go then

Hmmm right now i consider myself to be half way perhaps on nr 5.

Why?

i can say that i reached a higher level of counsciousness just last year.on the beggining really..when some synchros led me to search Myself,and that is leading me to learn on how to dettacth from Ego.

the saying that says that all i know is that i dont know nothing...im on that now.

since i knew that my life was being led by my EGo and not by who i really am...i felt i had waisted so many magic.

im still 26 but...so many mistakes.so many hurtings,judgments,issues,problems of self esteem etc....so the moment i looked to all that it WAS,i made a committment to become the better i can Be.and of course.this also pertains to live in the now and not let myself get lost in the matrix again.

it is hard really.i look around and i see so many souls,wonderful ones,caught and trapped by the materialism and capitalism,trapped in society´s false squemes...to what? leading us all to be the worst we can Be,and feeling like we are really that crap..

but actually we´re not that crap that others want us to feel or think.we are pure Love.we are capable of the Highest of gestures and feelings.
if only we knew deep inside all the Light we are made of...we wouldnt let ourselves believe in Ego.

So...all this slow conclusions i made everyday.lead me to at least,knowing that i can change for better.and that there is no need to fear it.(sometimes i do..hihih)but then i also know that im also part of God´s light and he is with me.

let us not forget that im also intune with my Higher Self.sometimes i ask guidance and protection on speficic things...and i get the answer through synchros,nr or intuition or dreams!

and everytime this happens i amaze myself again...like if it was the very st moment that this happened---isnt it wonderful?

i have FAITH AND somehow i feel that angels are here with me.they send me signs and tell me that i am ok.i am walking my Path to become closer to the DIvine Plan in my Life.

i could be here speaking and speaking but i should stop.i dont know what else to say hihihi

Hmmm maybe im confusing everyone.

resuming:im now like Judy garland on the wizard of Oz.many times i sing to me the "somehwere over the rainbow" song,thinking that im going in that direction,like Judy...in the quest for my dreams fullfillment...only to discover that im already who i want to Be,and have all the abundance i dream of.

posted January 09, 2010 06:11 PM         

I resent Polo's attitude and line of judgement and assuming we are all effing stupid. I will not tolerate his remarks of preaching me to not listen nor read others views when I absolutely do not and my views are my truth from my EXPERIENCE.

How dare he! Polo you are a jerk! You bite the hand that feeds you and this is why you need to ask all of these inner questions to the outer world.

I suggest you look at yourself before you dump on my doorstep. I'm sick of it and fed up with being treated like a dumb ****.

posted January 09, 2010 06:12 PM         

I know nothing at all
because my mind is connected
to the unitive consciousness
which stores all knowledge.
I am just a receiver
of this resevoir of information,
and so I cannot say that I know
for my thoughts comes from the cosmos.
Real knowledge cannot be possessed
for it is really inspiration from God
which is in every one of us,
and so we must share what we receive.
Knowing is not about possessing
because we do not have all the answers
for the whole universe is like an illusion
because it cannot be fully grasped.
Therefore, reality is very questionable
for we cannot see all actuality
when none of us have ultimate sight
which enables us to see all things.
If any of us had this ability,
then we would have no reason to live
as we will have already learned everything,
and so all our lessons would be learned.
Instead of claiming that we know,
we should say that we receive the information
which should be shared with everybody,
and so we can all have true wisdom.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 09, 2010 06:15 PM         

that's name-calling,and that's an egoic pattern.
That is not a sign of an advanced soul.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 09, 2010 06:18 PM         

i think no one is judgins here.we re just exchanging our thoughts and feelings here about SM nad TF.

If you know that you and Peter are TF then dont feel attacked ( isnt that an Ego thing?).

When we know our Truth we dont feel the need to defend it...if we have the need to do it,then maybe....we arent that sure isnt it?it is your Ego that are showing itself now.

posted January 09, 2010 06:20 PM         

exactly!

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 09, 2010 06:22 PM         

Zero a symbol for nothing. As one is a symbol for a point in space and time and two is symbolic of a line.

We can't effectively understand an actual thing in reality by confusing the actual thing with the symbol for it. We cannot fully grasp what nothingness is by studying the zero. The symbols can show us the relationship between things, but not the essence of the thing it symbolizes.

This is how language causes so much confusion. Without any actual experience to anchor the symbol to reality, the meaning for the symbols become the product of one's own subjective interpretation and then effective communication breaks down. Nothing is clear and no one is capable of understanding anything.

posted January 09, 2010 06:22 PM         

Zero a symbol for nothing. As one is a symbol for a point in space and time and two is symbolic of a line.

We can't effectively understand an actual thing in reality by confusing the actual thing with the symbol for it. We cannot fully grasp what nothingness is by studying the zero. The symbols can show us the relationship between things, but not the essence of the thing it symbolizes.

This is how language causes so much confusion. Without any actual experience to anchor the symbol to reality, the meaning for the symbols become the product of one's own subjective interpretation and then effective communication breaks down. Nothing is clear and no one is capable of understanding anything.