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changchiu
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posted January 09, 2010 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for changchiu     Edit/Delete Message
if is it possible to find some clues from birth chart,a person can be gay,or hetero..here i give you my brother chart.can you examine it..

Planetary positionsplanet sign degree motion
Sun Gemini 29°12'18 in house 8 direct
Moon Cancer 24°08'36 in house 8 direct
Mercury Cancer 14°02'08 in house 8 direct
Venus Taurus 13°39'39 in house 6 direct
Mars Cancer 7°25'13 in house 8 direct
Jupiter Aquarius 16°34'24 in house 3 retrograde
Saturn Scorpio 22°25'37 end of house 12 retrograde
Uranus Sagittarius 15°25'41 in house 1 retrograde
Neptune Capricorn 2°19'34 in house 2 retrograde
Pluto Scorpio 2°03'17 end of house 11 retrograde
True Node Taurus 17°29'40 in house 6 retrograde
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

House positions (Placidus)Ascendant Scorpio 24°03'15
2nd House Sagittarius 24°30'14
3rd House Capricorn 29°33'58
Imum Coeli Pisces 5°38'08
5th House Aries 7°15'49
6th House Taurus 2°52'05
Descendant Taurus 24°03'15
8th House Gemini 24°30'14
9th House Cancer 29°33'58
Medium Coeli Virgo 5°38'08
11th House Libra 7°15'49
12th House Scorpio 2°52'05

Major aspectsSun Opposition Neptune 3°07
Sun Trine Pluto 2°51
Moon Trine Saturn 1°43
Moon Square Pluto 7°55
Moon Trine Ascendant 0°05
Mercury Sextile Venus 0°22
Mercury Quincunx Jupiter 2°32
Mercury Quincunx Uranus 1°24
Venus Square Jupiter 2°55
Venus Quincunx Uranus 1°46
Mars Opposition Neptune 5°06
Mars Trine Pluto 5°22
Jupiter Square Saturn 5°51
Jupiter Sextile Uranus 1°09
Saturn Conjunction Ascendant 1°38
Neptune Sextile Pluto 0°16


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Glaucus
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posted January 09, 2010 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I believe not.

the same aspects in the charts of people that are heterosexual,homosexual,bisexual could also be the same aspects in the charts of sex hormonal divergences/imbalances like a male with high estrogen levels.

also the indicators for heterosexual,homosexual,bisexual could be also be the same aspects for interracial relationships.


I don't think that there is any specific indicator for sexual orientation,sex hormonal divergence, nor interracial relationships.


Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

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changchiu
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posted January 09, 2010 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for changchiu     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus;
Also I dont believe.but is there some feminen clues about a man chart?or some aspects?I know environment,family or hormones effect this condition and can change a man or women life in every time..

thank you..

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Glaucus
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posted January 09, 2010 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I honestly don't know.

I used to think so, but I am not sure.

I'd would even think that it would have something to do with strong emphasis on the feminine signs.

I have been moving away from zodiac sign Astrology. I think that the zodiac signs are arbitrary,and they are based on belief systems. There are other zodiacs like the Sidereal Zodiac sign. The Celtic consist of 13 zodiac signs.

I am male with high estrogen levels verified by Veteran Affairs hormonal testing. My index fingers are longer than my ring fingers which indicate that I was exposed to more estrogen while developing in my mom’s womb. I prefer women.

My chart shows unusually strong feminine energy with strong connections to female archetypes

Sun trine Moon
Chart ruler, Mercury conjunct/parallel Venus, sextile Geocentric North Venus Node
Sun conjunct South Eris Node - Greek Goddess of Discord
Sun conjunct true Black Moon Lilith
Sun oppose Sedna in Right Ascension, Moon sextile Sedna - Inuit Sea/Ocean/Underworld Goddess
Moon square Pallas, Pallas conjunct Midheaven in Right Ascension
Sun square Vesta
Juno on the equator
Ceres conjunct Antivertex, Ceres parallel Midheaven
Haumea conjunct Ascendant, square Midheaven

even mythological women conjunct aspects to my Sun within 1 degree:

Sun conjunct Athor - Egyptian Goddess of Love
Sun conjunct Selqet - Eygptian Scorpio Goddess
Sun conjunct Aurora - Roman Goddess of the Dawn
Sun conjunct Iphigenia - Daughter of King Agamemnon and Queen Clytemnestra and Mycenae that was sacrificed for fairs winds to sail to Troy
Sun conjunct Ariadne - Daughter of King Minos and Queen Pasiphae of Crete, aided Theseus in killing her halfbrother, the Minotaur , was abandoned my Theseus, and married the Greek God of Wine, Dionysus

I also believe in reincarnation.

I am a believer in reincarnation and pastlives. Part of my belief in those things is that we have pastlives as both genders. I believe that the soul goes beyond color, race, ethnicity, and gender. Homosexual couples could have been heterosexual couples in pastlives. A person who is bisexual might be that way because he/she views himself/herself as a soul that is not identified with form but goes beyond form. Therefore, they might believe that their soulpartner,twin flame doesn't necessarily have to be the opposite sex.


Raymond


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Ami Ann
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posted January 09, 2010 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I am very new to Astrology but I have read that hard aspects to the Libra moon could show homosexuality

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DD
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posted January 09, 2010 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I don`t believe you can see sexual orientation in a chart, just as you can`t see if it is the chart of a man or woman or animal.

I do think though, that the astrology can indicate (within reasonable measures) if a personality / soul has more Yang or Yin qualities or how it is mixed up, and a man with much Yin energy may come across as effeminate to some people, or as not "typical" male (which is a social judgement btw), but that doesn`t mean he will be gay.

Example:
I have a pretty "male" chart, just judging from signplacements.
Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC in Sagittarius; Moon in Aquarius; only Venus in a Yin sign, Capricorn.

Yet I am definitely not a lesbian.

BUT I admit that I have a slight tendendy to feel drawn to men others tend to view as a bit "effeminate".

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koiflower
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posted January 10, 2010 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Mars in Libra and Venus is Aqua could indicate characteristics of people that do not discriminate based on gender, but are attracted to the person, for whatever reason, other than just their gender.

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posted January 10, 2010 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
I totally agree with DD on this one.

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Glaucus
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posted January 10, 2010 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I really don't trust zodiac sign placements.

for instance

in tropical

I have a strong feminine chart

with Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio and Moon in Pisces with Virgo Ascendant


but I have a strong masculine chart in Sidereal Zodiac
with Sun,Mercury,Venus in Libra and Moon in Aquarius with Leo Ascendant


I think the aspects are lot more important than the zodiac sign placements. If anything,I would just use zodiac sign placements as reference points so I know how many degrees,minutes away two points are from each other in a chart.


Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

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koiflower
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posted January 10, 2010 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Many gay women I know have a strong Virgo chart. Many have had Sun in Virgo, which means a high chance of having Mars in Libra.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Uranus in a relationship aspect.

Heterosexual, homosexual, transgender, bi-sexual and lesbian lifestlyes are have different challenges and issues in life. I do not think many people who are gay can say that life is easy - discrimination is alive and well for gay folk. Just think of same-sex relationships where marriage and child adoption is not a legal choice of human rights. Or even death is the option.

There would have to squares or oppositions, whether it is within a personal chart, or event chart.

Perhaps geography can effect other aspects of sexual orientation in a chart. Eg, there would be a strong aspect of secrecy for a homosexual man in Angola than for one who lived in San Francisco.


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changchiu
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posted January 10, 2010 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for changchiu     Edit/Delete Message
may be cancer effects of my gemini brother make my mind mixing..he looks like water signs with also 8 th house.

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changchiu
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posted January 10, 2010 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for changchiu     Edit/Delete Message
may be cancer effects of my gemini brother make my mind mixing..he looks like water signs with also 8 th house.

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MsCandeh
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posted January 10, 2010 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
I think I read somewhere that asteroid Sappho may have something to do with it, but I checked that in a chart with my ex (who has come out) and he doesn't have anything unusual in his chart.

He has a Libra stellium - Sun, Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Pluto
Moon and Jupiter in Scorpio
Uranus, Neptune and Mars in Sagittarius
Chiron in Taurus

Nothing really stands out to me. He's very gentle but so are a lot of people. My Gem ex is a gentle person too but he is straight.

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taurusvirgoleolady1974
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posted January 10, 2010 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurusvirgoleolady1974     Edit/Delete Message
so lets say you are not able to tell in a chart. where do you look in a chart to see if the person was male or female in the past life? because some women want to be men, and some men want to be a woman.
also, it seems we can find everything else in a chart; why not sexuality?

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Glaucus
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posted January 10, 2010 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I believe that all people had pastlives as both genders just like all people had pastlives as numerous races,ethnicities

That's why I believe that soul has no gender just like it has no race,ethnicity.
It goes beyond form.

I believe that I had just as many female pastlives as male pastlives

maybe this is all reflected by my high estrogen levels.

I already listed my astrological aspects that reflect my very strong feminine energies. My Sun trine Moon alone indicates my masculine and feminine energies are in harmony with each other,and that I can easily express my female traits. My Sun conjunct true Black Moon Lilith (osculating lunar apogee) can also indicate the same thing, especially being a feminist.


like I pointed out before, the same aspects for sexual orientation could also be the same for sex hormonal divergence (or some say imbalances) People with sex hormonal divergence aren't necessarily divergent when it comes to sexual orientation.

It gets very complicated with people that are hermaphrodites, people with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome,and Klinefelter Syndrome which don't fit in the gender box.


Raymond

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zanarkand112
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posted January 10, 2010 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message
As a gay man, there may be hints in the chart, but I don't think there's anything that says in the chart "yeah, he/she is gay." I did hear once that gay men have many Neptune aspects in synastry together, and lesbian couples have many Uranus aspects in synastry. Don't know if that's true though.

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AscTaurus
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posted January 11, 2010 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
As a gay man myself....I can't say that there are any.

I used to think that Moon in Cancer- Deep femine feelings, Mars in Libra-Supressed male aggression and and Jupiter in Sagittarius-open minded-ness had something to do with it.

Looking back, it was all rubbish....Astrology is abstract thinking, not fact.

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