posted January 14, 2010 07:47 PM         

It will definitely give the world a much needed sense of spirituality that we've lost with all the fatalist worries were going through, like 2012! I think the whole world apocalypse ideology stems from the fact that people don't want to admit that were all going to die, so an apocalypse takes the pressure off of us, in a weird sense.

Popcorn, your Saturn is in Pisces? You could just bring some wisdom, with Saturn conjunct my Moon!

DD, you're a fellow Sagittarius Asc. right? What degree is your ASC. at? Mine is at 14 degrees and natal Jupiter is in a mutable sign as well (in Gemini), but I mostly look at aspects in connection to Asc. ruler.

What are your Jupiter aspects? I'll just tell you my natal aspects with 2 degree orbs or less:
Moon square Jupiter (explains why I was over weight as a child and teenager, and my love for sweet and rich foods), sextile Mercury and sextile Ceres (jeeze, will I five children?).

posted January 14, 2010 08:08 PM         

or 10th placidus.

posted January 14, 2010 08:59 PM         

Anyway I mean to say that I'm on somewhat of a similar thought level regarding that, but more to the idea that the big catastrophes are more of an excuse for people to actually *feel* something. And spiritually, fundamentally, it's moving away from the center and it's very misguided. It's almost that they want the apocalypse, they want it to be true, so they can can feel that their life has that big purpose, so in worrying about impending doom they can feel connected to something greater, all the drama. Hopefully Neptune in Pisces says we do have something greater and it's right here, there's more to see than what you experience with your everyday reality. It should actually be a really nice counterpoint to Pluto in Capricorn, which is that strong reality that cuts down to essentials and clears the way.

Uranus is still tail end of Pisces, but that was the first movement, then Neptune will go through and later Pluto. Uranus is supposed to break through into universal mind, so what it did was, in theory, planted the seeds in people's minds of "maybe there is something more" and worked pretty nicely with Neptune Aquarius in their mutual reception, regarding humanitarian efforts and the idealizing of the environmental movement. I guess Neptune Pisces is where we'll get more and stronger range of expression for Pisces matters because it will have already penetrated the mind and will now go into some type of manifestation, in other words people taking action on an idea. Similar to Uranus in Aquarius, opened the doors to this technology that now in Neptune aquarius we're seeing how it can help the environment, but we're also idealizing going green community gardens and saving the planet too! Then Pluto in Pisces will do what Pluto does best in mundane astrology which is to show us the effects of going too far. Maybe people might want to martyr themselves, make gods out of themselves, when that's over they'll see that it is all real, that there is more, and you have to acknowledge your own inner divinity, work with it but that it is another reality that needs to be handled with care.

Pluto tends to do a really good job as we've seen anyway of paring back Neptune, because it's usually gone too far, but in doing the checks and balances, it makes it *real* - we've see positive, now we've seen the negative and can say yes, this is something that is out there, no denying.

The most recently completed cycle was in Sagittarius, the excess the bright lights day glo, people in general had more money, inflated spending, they traveled more, they were introduced to many other cultures not having to leave home either, they incorporated various dogmas, religions to make their own, and then there was the reality with Pluto, what happens when there is too much cross pollination, at what point do you start taking away from someone else's culture instead of adding to it (western influence in the middle east, and many other cultures), what are the effects of meddling in another country's mores, how far will you go for your religious beliefs, will you kill for them to defend your ideologies. That all happened while Uranus Neptune and then Pluto were in Sagittarius.

It really does run the gamut!

posted January 15, 2010 12:30 AM         

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that the big catastrophes are more of an excuse for people to actually *feel* something. And spiritually, fundamentally, it's moving away from the center and it's very misguided. It's almost that they want the apocalypse, they want it to be true, so they can can feel that their life has that big purpose, so in worrying about impending doom they can feel connected to something greater, all the drama. Hopefully Neptune in Pisces says we do have something greater and it's right here, there's more to see than what you experience with your everyday reality.

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You articulated in words what I was trying to get at, but couldn't put into words.

Yes, everyone wants to feel connected and I think religion is definitely the answer for some people, but its so structured and it can lead to a one-way train of thinking that resembles - institution and in a sense alienation if you aren't a part of it.

I definitely agree with the way you described Piscean views of religion. I personally don't have a definite view of what I believe in, but thanks to grounding myself in some mediation and chakra healing, I've realized were all connected and really its our minds that create a static monologue of fear. The way that western culture is run, its all about doing things fast and making money and spending money again and again. Pluto in Capricorn is going to change this for certain, capitalist utopia has been declining for some time, hopefully we can change things without too radical and devastating consequences.

However Pluto is going to be retrograde and move into late Sagittarius one more time, what do think will happen?

And Saturn is going to go retrograde again and move back into Virgo, which I'm not thrilled about because it will square natal Venus again!

Oooh and the Solar Eclipse, what's your take on it, Lonake?

posted January 15, 2010 12:55 AM         

I only know it will go through my 5th house and my boyfriend's 7th house.

I have read the effects on house transits but some members have commented it does naught sometimes. Oh well...

posted January 15, 2010 10:59 AM         

transiting Jupiter in 1'54 Pisces
Natal Moon in 4'24 Pisces
Natal Sun in 3'02 Scorpio

so transiting Jupiter is already conjuncting my Moon and trining my Sun in Right Ascension within the 3 degree orb that I use for transits.

but in Ecliptic Longitude ,the coordinates that astrologers use

Transiting Jupiter in 29'27 Aquarius
Natal Moon in 3'11 Pisces
Natal Sun in 5'20 Scorpio

Transiting Jupiter is not conjuncting my natal Moon within 3 degrees yet, and it's no way near trining my natal Sun yet.

I am definitely going to take advantage of transiting Jupiter conjunct my Moon and trine my Sun

actually, I have an angel workshop this evening, and that could fit with the transit in regards to Jupiter having to do with faith,optimism, and expansion. It's also a time for generosity, and so I am going to donate to Haiti.

also in Right Ascension:
Transiting Pluto in 4'00 Capricorn is sextiling my Moon in 4'24 Pisces and trine my Sedna in 3'46 Taurus for a minor grand trine,squaring Moon/Sedna midpoint in 4'05 Aries. That can be profound spiritual feelings,insights

in Ecliptic Longitude
Transiting Pluto in 3'49 Capricorn is done sextiling my Moon in 3'11 Pisces and trining my Sedna in 2'06 Taurus, and is no way near squaring my Moon/Sedna midpoint in 2'38 Aries.

Transits can seem to start earlier or end later due to the effect of the transit in Ecliptic Longitude and Right Ascension

you can check your transits here if you want to check Right Ascension,Declination,and Ecliptic longitude http://www.true-node.com/pos/

I am a believer that events pertaining to a transit happens when that transit within 1 degree. I believe that it is more likely with the hard aspects (conjunction,opposition,square) than the soft aspects (trine,sextile). I think the soft aspects are more psychological, but if action is taken, then events can happen pertaining to those traits. I think the hard aspects, things are like in your face that you can't ignore and really force you to take some action. This could be pleasant with Sun,Venus,and Jupiter, but could be difficult with Mars,the outerplanets,the centaurs,and the transneptunians. I believe that transits are in effect within 3 degrees which would be like a preparation time for an event pertaining to that transit that will happen within 1 degree. Of course, with Right Ascension might seem to happen earlier or later,and so it's good to check both Right Ascension and Ecliptic Longitude.
I'd use much smaller orbs for centaurs and the transneptunians.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 15, 2010 11:23 AM         

How do we find out what the declination is for Jupiter at this moment?

posted January 15, 2010 11:35 AM         

It will also be trining my Vertex (1.32 Cancer) and Juno (0.44 Cancer). It will be approaching square Chiron (2.10 Gem) and NN (6.37 Gem) soon. Though the square could be a positive thing to induce change for the better (soul growth)

posted January 15, 2010 12:06 PM         

How do we find out what the declination is for Jupiter at this moment?

Thanks !"

use this site:
http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

then check the box : Show Declination which is under the box: Show Latitude which is under D'M.

I checked for you

Jupiter is 13'36 South right now

I really believe that this is one of the best astrological tools on the net.

This is the page that I use for looking at the Right Ascension,nodes of asteroids,centaurs,and transneptunians which astro.com doesn't do. It can be used to look at right ascension and declination of fixed stars which astro.com doesn't do.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 16, 2010 05:47 AM         

"What degree is your ASC. at? Mine is at 14 degrees"
Mine is at 7 Sagittarius. Your DESC is conjunct my Karma btw.

" but I mostly look at aspects in connection to Asc. ruler. "
Yes, me, too.
Jupiter is in Pisces in intercepted 3rd house. Makes really sense to me.

"What are your Jupiter aspects? I'll just tell you my natal aspects with 2 degree orbs or less:"

"Moon square Jupiter (explains why I was over weight as a child and teenager, and my love for sweet and rich foods)"
Yes, I think it also indicates a huge amount of emotions / feelings, that sometimes are difficult to handle, especially if Moon is in Pisces. There is just so much feeling and it has to find expression, and if it for some reason can`t, one might express this aspect in a different form, like eating too many sweets for example.

", sextile Mercury and sextile Ceres (jeeze, will I five children?)."
Ceres also has to do with food, as the Goddess of the harvest. And with nurturing and caring. You probably deeply care for other people, including children. Moon-Mercury I like that. Good for communication and a compassioante sense of humour.

My Jupiter aspects with 2 degrees and less are:
square Neptune
square NN
exact conjunct Ceres

posted January 16, 2010 08:47 AM         

I don't remember sorry.

man...right now...transiting Jupiter squaring my Saturn with 1'30 orb applying in Right Ascension,and I am having problems with excessive earwax that I was trying to get out. My ear is kinda clogged,and so I can't hear well. Going to use warm olive oil to remove it and then flush wish water. I will also get debrox to remove it too. Transiting retrograde Saturn is squaring my Sun/Moon midpoint with 21 minutes of arc applying now.

Saturn is the planet that rules the ears.

I don't trust mainstream astrology when it comes to medical astrology. Vedic Astrologers use astrology for medical astrology, but they use different zodiac and house system from western astrologers. It makes me wonder when astrologers focus on house placements do our health problems indicators vary according to how our charts are read. That was one of the things that led me to be skeptical about zodiac signs.

I use Cosmobiology for medical astrology. Therefore, I focus on only hard aspects and midpoint pictures to check for medical problems. Planetary nodes in hard aspect also can indicate health issues.

hard aspects as in conjunction,opposition,square

cosmobiology - semisquare,sesquiquadrate

I don't buy into the 165 degree aspect that Noel Tyl advocates. It's actually contraquindecile according Robert Blaschke. The actual quindecile is a 15 degree aspect.

Raymond

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 17, 2010 11:17 PM         

I am going to take advantage of them too.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 20, 2010 01:48 AM         

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Oooh and the Solar Eclipse, what's your take on it, Lonake?

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posted January 20, 2010 02:02 AM         

using whole sign house system, 4th house.
domestic environment,unconscious,family,roots

Of course, I don't use sign nor house systems any more, and so I ignore them.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 20, 2010 02:08 AM         

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However Pluto is going to be retrograde and move into late Sagittarius one more time, what do think will happen?

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