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InvidiaBlue
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posted January 15, 2010 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvidiaBlue     Edit/Delete Message
Another seed of negativity...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Poster-1970s-Love-Life-Lust-Zodiac_W0QQitemZ250560552262QQcmdZViewItemQQptZArt_Posters?hash=item3a56929d46

Found this while searching for vintage zodiac stuff on ebay. If anyone with more money than I have finds this as sacrilegious as I do, Id encourage them to purchase this and either destroy it or stash it away. Its the only way to keep it out of the hands of more people who do or will see astrology as a cheap sex tool (among other silly things). At least with an item like this the money wont go to the creator, unlike the mountains of books and other items out there that encourage this attitude. Every little bit helps, I think. Its vintage, and in a pretty style, but... yeah, just felt like I had to say something.

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Glaucus
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posted January 15, 2010 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
shrugs

I see nothing wrong with it

to each, his/her own

1960's,1970's, the hippies ,"free love" and so were bellbottoms
Haight Ashbury in San Francisco too

Raymond
Sun in tropical Scorpio in Virgo constellation
born in San Francisco where his parents met.

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

- Eckhart Tolle

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amowls*
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posted January 15, 2010 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Nothing wrong with sex.

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blue moon
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posted January 15, 2010 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
This forum is full of silly uses of astrology.

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Diana
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posted January 15, 2010 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
I think I know what you're saying but it's not that bad.

Since you posted it here I bet one of the knowflakes is gonna buy it!! I guess....vaporlash. She seems into retro stuff and has a tongue in cheek humor.

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InvidiaBlue
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posted January 15, 2010 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvidiaBlue     Edit/Delete Message
It may be an astrology forum, but its also one on a site dedicated to Goodman. Any other forum I wouldnt bother, but thats the kind of thing she would have probably disliked as well, and naturally there are a great many people here who would agree with her thoughts on the subject (which really amount to just "dont screw people you dont love" aside from the finer spiritual aspects). This is for those particular people. As far as the silly uses of astrology here, I dont endorse them either. This is just what I myself have found.

And yes, vintage rocks!

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katatonic
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posted January 15, 2010 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well it takes all sorts. it's hurting you ... how?

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Fleurdelis
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posted January 15, 2010 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fleurdelis     Edit/Delete Message
I think it is very pretty. You hardly find anything creative in zodiac pictures nowadays. Even if you have it, it need not be displayed for anyone.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted January 15, 2010 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
***thats the kind of thing she would have probably disliked as well,****

seems like a lot of people think they know what she would and would not have liked. Please don't presume to know what someone else would like, especially if they are gone on and can not say one way or another. Unless she told you persoanlly, it is very presumtous.

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vapor-lash
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posted January 15, 2010 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
I don't see what's wrong with it either.

It's not cheap in any way.. I mean if it had porn-magazine pics, I'd understand your comment.. But the images are artistic.

*shurg*

Somehow I cant see LG.. going out of her way to buy all these (astrologically uninformed) books or posters or whatever else - around the world - so no one else purchases them.

And LG describes sexual-matches in every interpretation in "Love Signs"

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vapor-lash
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posted January 15, 2010 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Part of me thinks you're a very prudish or religious dogmatic person.. which is fine - your prerogative!

Part of me thinks - you posted this here to advertise it. The "Don't Touch.. It's Bad for you" - "forbidding" approach.. can make something more appealing.

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vapor-lash
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posted January 15, 2010 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message

quote:
anyone with more money than I have finds this as sacrilegious as I do, Id encourage them to purchase this and either destroy it or stash it away

And you're blatantly saying it. What if it's yours and you just want it sold?

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Diana
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posted January 15, 2010 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
Lol....foiled!!

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vapor-lash
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posted January 15, 2010 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
LOL Diana I just saw that hehe
Ya - I'd probably buy something like this, but I now I think it's hers

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InvidiaBlue
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posted January 15, 2010 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvidiaBlue     Edit/Delete Message
In essence, no man is an island. Everything one does affects others, and everyone has the ability to be influenced by others, as much as people like to believe otherwise. The ability varies from person to person but its never absent. And just in case, Im stating that simply, not implying anything.


I think its pretty too. I cant stand the stuff made these days. Thats why I like vintage zodiac stuff.


I dont assume she wouldnt. Thats why I said probably. But from the thousands of pages Ive read of her books, she's always disliked/hated at least two things. Loveless sexual acts and astrology being used to promote it. It's a pretty educated guess, and I dont mean that to sound snide in any way. If she would like it for some reason, thats fine. But like I said, I posted it for others who share my feelings on it. Thats also not meant to insult anyone. If someone disagrees, its a forum. Its alright to disgaree.

No, Im sure she wouldnt. But Im not her. She did describe them, however she was extremely adamant about that sex being based on love. lol No, its not mine. Im not sure what I could do to prove that since as far as I know you cant just find peoples names on ebay by typing them in, but its InvidiaBlue on there as well. I could relist one of the textbooks I tried to sell awhile back.

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vapor-lash
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posted January 15, 2010 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
But from the thousands of pages Ive read of her books, she's always disliked/hated at least two things. Loveless sexual acts and astrology being used to promote it. It's a pretty educated guess

Could you maybe quote something she says that gave you this impression?
I mean love comes in many different shapes & forms - not only romantic. I'm not against sex in any way because it's up to the individual what they choose to do with their own bodies. And LG (the way in which I read and interpreted her) was not a "preacher".. She left things up to individual choice and free will.
Myself - I could only have sex if there was love.. but the love could be a friendly-light love, rather than a passionate romance.. and either of these could be "spiritual" (in case Polo reads this and thinks I'm referring to "romance" in opposition to "soulful love").
Actually any connection I have to another human - I see as spiritual as well as physical.

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I think its pretty too. I cant stand the stuff made these days.

Then why do you want to destroy it?

Even if you take the stance that sex in the absence of "romantic" love.. and marriage or whatever else - is "wrong"..
I'm not sure how this poster is anti-love anyway.
I can't see the writing. It is too small.

As for the mention of "Lust" - There is LUST in every and any sexual encounter.. otherwise the sexual encounter wouldn't occur.. and this lust can be motivated by deeper feelings.. but the actual physical expression or manifestation.. of these feelings - will involve particular sexual positions.. some more enjoyable than others - to particular people.

So why would you assume this is promoting sex without love (can you read the writing? I honestly can't!).. It seems to be simply describing sexual desires etc.. as far as I can tell(what works best for every sign - that kind of thing)

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vapor-lash
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posted January 15, 2010 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
If anyone is curious.. This is what the Poster looked like:

The bidding ended..

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Diana
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posted January 15, 2010 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
I wonder who (from here, lol) bought it!

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Lara
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posted January 15, 2010 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Oh shocking!

Gosh, this deserved it's own thread didnt it!
NOT.

Anyone ever done all these positions in a single night?
hehe

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vapor-lash
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posted January 15, 2010 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Lara ^

No, but I'd love to!

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GypseeWind
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posted January 15, 2010 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Darn, the bidding DID end, I sooo would of bought that to go with my vintage tea leaf reading poster, same colors.

Love and Lust together are the best, nothing beats that one!!

*gulp* all those in one night? I'de have to think about that, but probably to be honest!!! LOL!

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InvidiaBlue
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posted January 15, 2010 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvidiaBlue     Edit/Delete Message
Im going to hope you have Love Signs because the whole thing is relevant. From the space on the middle of page 7 to the one high up on page 8 she talks about love and sex. She has made a lot of negative commentary on the free love movement in her books, especially Love Signs, but since Ive read the entire thing and theres nothing specifically mentioning it in the forward, I havent a clue where to find them. At random times in the book she goes from the sun sign compatibility to a paragraph on whatever controversial topic the chapter made her think of. For example, vegetarianism in the pisces-pisces chapter--the only one I can remember.


lmao Well if whoever made it thinks thats whats best for THIS pisces, its dead wrong! xD Not my fave of the bunch. Ahem sorry ;p (pisces = pink one on the left, I think)


Honestly if I bought it I couldnt destroy it. Because it IS old, and because it IS pretty in that respect. At first glance my brain was saying "Ooooooooh...". What made me think of it that way wasnt any singular thing, but all of them put together, because youre right. Lust is required for consensual sex to occur.


I suppose it depends what you mean by "preacher". She definitely had firm beliefs, and from the subjective and rare objective things Ive read about her, she told people what she thought as well. She did not hate them though, but forgave them for what she saw as flaws of character or judgement, even though she hoped that one day theyd "see". At least for the most part. She was human too, but she certainly tried.


12 orgasms? Yowzah. Some of those I cant help but wonder how you can even move enough to feel anything without pulling hair or passing out or cramping something. Oh well. Experiment? lol

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InvidiaBlue
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posted January 15, 2010 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvidiaBlue     Edit/Delete Message
Gypseewind, do you have a picture of your tea poster? If it has the same colors it must be pretty

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InvidiaBlue
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posted January 15, 2010 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for InvidiaBlue     Edit/Delete Message
Ended at 2:27pm central? Meh, just wondering because the time on my account seems kind of screwy.

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vapor-lash
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posted January 15, 2010 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
InvidiaBlue -

Ok, I do know what you're referring to and yes I have Love Signs.
I got the feeling personally - (this was just my interpretation) - that LG is referring to commercialized "sex" - "sex" as it is often portrayed in the media: meaningless.

I guess the word loveless to me (in this context) has the connotation - that you must be romantically in love with someone to have sex with them, which seems "religious" in a way that I can't relate to. One step further from that is "you must be married" - I see it along the same lines.. Maybe I shouldn't. But this perspective seems to ignore other types of love.

Just so you understand where I'm coming from - my Mercury/Jupiter are Pisces actually lol - so I think we might agree on this... I notice a detachment from animality in religion..

Organized religion (not always, but often enough to deserve mention) seems to preach that we should detach from the body, from our animality in general.. moving towards something more spiritual - when in my mind the two are actually in cohesion (at least whilst we are alive here.. in a physical body)

Sometimes they take a step further and belittle animals to make their point. The theory is something like: Animals don't have our IQ level and thus are not capable of spiritual sex or a spiritual connection. So they are sometimes portrayed as "dumb", dirty - "beneath" us.. For example, I have heard stated by hardcore Christians that apes were created by the devil - which really sickens me.

Whenever I see that kind of distinction, i.e. the spirituality TO animality distinction - It bothers me.. because in my eyes we are all animals on a physical level (I think that is clear biologically).. and I DO have respect for *animals* in general.

So when I think of sex I do think of it as a mixture of love and lust.. Because I believe we are a mix of our spiritual & physical selves.

Anyway, I'm sorry I called you dogmatic.. It came across that way initially, but I understand why it bothered you now. I think we just interpreted it differently.. and your interpretation was that - "this promotes something soulless and shallow" - whereas that isn't the way I would see it.

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