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GypseeWind
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posted January 16, 2010 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
I have a book on natal T-squares, but it's like reading a car owners manual or something. Anyway, any comments and/or advice on what to DO with them would be highly appreciated.

Sun: 14 Sag 14'24" to Saturn: 23 Pisces 00' 21" and Uranus 24 Venus 09' 58"

Sun: 14 Sag 14' 24" to Saturn: 23 Pisces 00' 21" and Pluto: 20 Vigro 34" 08"

Venus: 21 Sag 04' 24" to Saturn: 23 Pisces 00' 21" and Uranus: 24 Virgo 09' 58"

Venus: 21 Sag 04' 24" to Saturn 23 Pisces 00' 21" and Pluto 20 Virgo 34' 08"

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comica23
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posted January 16, 2010 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, I wouldn't really count the t-squares formed with Sun, since the degree is too wide.
About your other ones, hmm do you feel a need to find balance between your values/loving nature and sense of transformation/freedom/regeneration? What houses they are in can reflect in what areas of life this manifests.

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GypseeWind
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posted January 16, 2010 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, so I can scratch two off my list, great! Umm, hmm, good question, let's see, I always feel an internal struggle between the choices I've made. In other words, I struggle with the issues of being a responsible Mom and just sort of taking off and living a life on the road. Had I not had them, I probably would of had a very different life. I feel bound to my duty, and there seems like there is no end to it, and no way to reconcile the two, does that make sense? Here is the chart...

I sometimes feel I took the wrong fork in the road. I'm troubled by the fact that I should be doing something MORE with my life, other than watching it pass by.

Thanks alot for helping.

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comica23
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posted January 16, 2010 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Ops, I've read the t-square wrong in my last post lol (feeling sleepy right now). ^_^; It was Saturn opposing Uranus/Pluto after all. So I guess that this does fit what you feel, as it shows struggles between responsibilities/structure and freedom/transformative/deepness. And I guess that Venus is the trigger of the struggles, so that your affections/values are what triggers these conflicts.

But a t-square can be conciliated, and the key is to find balance between the opposed energies. They might be opposites, but they have complementary traits too.

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Glaucus
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posted January 16, 2010 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
there is not much else that I can add

you and comica covered it

but it could also be values,the things that you love that are torn between wanting stability,security and wanting change (both Uranus and Pluto have to do with change....Uranus is a sudden change, Pluto is a deep gradual change that be connected to soul searching, transformation).

another is that your values,what you love can be town between staying in the status quo and being a nonconformist (Uranus is the planet associated with the unconventional and Pluto is actually more of a nonconformist object compared to Uranus because Uranus orbits on the ecliptic, but Pluto tends to orbit well off the ecliptic, actually up to 17 degrees away from the ecliptic. So Pluto's orbit diverges from the Planets. It's orbit is highly eccentric compared to all the planets including Uranus).


Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

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GypseeWind
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posted January 16, 2010 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Comica and Glaucus.

That's kinda what I thought without really knowing what I was seeing.

*sigh*

So the conflict will be ongoing, because after children, there are grandchildren.....

I do often think I will just up and take off, but my Mother did that, and her Mother did that to her.
I know that is wrong.
Deep down I am actually pretty traditional.

Reconciling the two is where my head starts to hurt.

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Azalaksh
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posted January 16, 2010 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
I understand the clash between tradition, stability and desire/need for change, Gyps
It's a challenge when you feel like tradition is a place you want to be, but the restlessness for change and stimulation throws a monkey wrench into tidy traditional plans (Uranus in Cancer speaking here)....
You could think of your major t-square (Saturn/Chiron --> Venus --> Uranus/Pluto) as a bow with an arrow pointing right at 21+/- Gemini -- that's where the "steam" from the tension of the configuration can be "blown off." Is there anyone in your life with planet(s) that can fill the empty leg??
This is a major pattern in your chart, with 5 planets involved.....

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GypseeWind
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posted January 16, 2010 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Do you mean a Gemini sun? Hmm, the only Gem in my life is my Mothers current husband (I say current because she doesn't tend to keep them, so I quit forming attachments) but he is a very distant person and wants nothing to do with family.

The person I'm interested in now, that I told you about, is a Pisces/Sun, Cancer/Moon, Scorp/Asc. He has nothing in Gemini.

I'm not sure what you meant, so I hope I answered that right?
Also, when you said something about a major pattern with 5 planets, you mean like, a major defining theme in my life? If so, I totally get that, and it must be the reason why I'm so unhappy.

I guess like alot of people, I thought having children would "fill" me up. NOT saying they don't, because they truly keep me going, but, Idk, I just never feel like other Moms. I mean I go to school events and have b-day parties and the whole nine yards, but my mind is a thousand miles away, in some kind of artist loft in SoHo or something.

*ahem, Madame, did you notice I posted that chart on my "onsies?" Yes, finally!

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posted January 17, 2010 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
"Anyway, any comments and/or advice on what to DO with them would be highly appreciated."

watch their effects. nothing else, just WATCH.

I see only a T-square from uranus/pluto opp sat and squaring venus. the sun is too wide.

I think you could focus on the meaning of venus. it is multi-layered and can mean a lot.

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Agent_009
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posted January 17, 2010 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message
I just came across reading this...and thought I'd post it.

The T-square is a special kind of square made up of an opposition and a planet at right angles to that opposition. This configuration is likely to represent a person’s most challenging psychological issues and also his or her greatest talents, which arise from dealing with the challenge. The planet squaring the opposition is highly important and may represent both the main challenge and the greatest gift of the chart.

....and I say, do what's in your heart ONLY if it makes sense to your head. =)

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