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bonadea33
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posted January 22, 2010 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi to all,

I have some stupid connections with one woman in Abidjan, Sierra Leone. I had before with the man, born November 5th, 1980 at 3:00 am in Abidjan.
Since November 2008 he has lived in Mumbai, India. I was told that he died, December 28th, 2009 in the Hospital, Mumbai, India.
He supposed to leave something for me and the woman in Abidjan is "assistant" that I get that ATM Card. I have lost already money sending to her, but didn't get anything.

I want to know:
1. Is this man dead or not? (Solar Return shows that he is dead)
2. I want to get rid of this woman, but she writes and calls me every day. What to do?

Thank you,
Bobbie (you know me from before)

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amowls*
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posted January 22, 2010 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Its impossible in western astrology to predict a death and therefore impossible to tell if someone is already dead.

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kindredcayce
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posted January 22, 2010 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kindredcayce     Edit/Delete Message
Have you tried casting a horary chart?

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SaturnIdu
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posted January 22, 2010 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnIdu     Edit/Delete Message
Hey there.

I don't know how you got in touch with this man, but PLEASE, visit this site ASAP.
http://www.419eater.com/index.php

To me, it sounds like you're the victim of a scam.

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braveheart
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posted January 22, 2010 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for braveheart     Edit/Delete Message

When I read this, I was thinking it was a scam. I don't think you should send anymore money.
Do you know this man personally, like have you met him?

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aka Kat
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posted January 22, 2010 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
This person will not provide any answers. It is a scam. Get away quickly or contact the police.

If the person calls again. Speak very calmly to the person, show NO emotion. Be firm but not angry. Do not allow the person to interrupt. If the person interrupts say "Stop you need to listen to me I will no longer hear anything you have to say. Even if she threatens keep speaking and say--- No it's my turn." Tell the person. You have taken my money, called me many times, and now I have decided that this will end. You will no longer contact me in any way not by phone, mail, in person at any time in the future. This will end now. I do not want any trouble with you and if I so much as hear a peep from you I will find someone who will legally help me to stop you from contacting me ever again. You have a choice, never contact me again or make legal problems for yourself. It is your choice. Never ever call me again! ever

If she does say - What did I tell you last time you called? If she interupts say NO I asked a question. Do you realize that you are making your life difficult by choosing a path that could get you in legal trouble? What is the phone number you are calling from? Hang up and call the authorities.

Another option is when she calls ask for a phone number and tell her you will call her back. When she says she will call you back say No I really would like to have your phone number, where are you calling from? Why won't you give me this information? If you will not give me this information then you may no longer call me. If you get any info -turn it over to the police.

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aka Kat
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posted January 22, 2010 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
After reading this over again. I think your best bet is to contact the hospital and the authorities. If she is writing to you as through email. They could track her down.

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aka Kat
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posted January 22, 2010 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
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bonadea33
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posted January 23, 2010 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi amowls,

In last year I have read many biographies from famous people, they have lived until 1945, what means there are many Nazis.
As my hobby now is Medical Astrology, I look what kind of disease they had and how they have died.
For most of them there is day, month and year of death.
About two months ago I have started with few Asteroids: SP, SA for the day of death and Solar Return for the year of death. There is one Asteroid in 80% in SR in 8th; SA and SP over 8th house. I didn't believe that.
This is a bit danger game: I will stop now to play with the fire. I thought before that one Asteroid can't show the death, but it can.

Bobbie

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jon
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posted January 23, 2010 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jon     Edit/Delete Message
It's a scam and you've been sucked in big time. Do you enjoy being treated this way let this lady know asap! That you're not gona play victim. Let commonsense prevail here.

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vapor-lash
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posted January 23, 2010 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Which asteroid is in the 8th?

What do SA and SP stand for?

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bonadea33
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posted January 23, 2010 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message

Hi kindredcayce,

I have just made Horary (now) and he is not dead, but my Horary isn't the best one. That is also area I want to know better: for missing people and missing items. The last one is good for me, because I always lose or forget something.

Hi SaturnIdu and braveheart,

I know for the Scam, as I was victim of Internet Lottery Scam, already in the year 2003. This time is different but I think that have found the way to tell her (not directly) that she is a simple Scam.

Thank you all for comments,
Bobbie

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bonadea33
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posted January 23, 2010 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi aka Kat,

Thank you for all advices.
She didn't call me yesterday because I did something unusual: I wrote mail to the man (he supposes to be in India) that his "Investor" wrote to me, January 13th: his client has died in the Hospital, December 28th, 2009.
I wrote also to this woman: how come can somebody be dead 16 days and not to be buried? She wrote back to me: that is usual in India and Africa. I don't think so: it can happen only by disaster like it happened with earthquake.
I would like so badly to work with Crime Police and help to catch them, at least few of the Scammers.

Bobbie

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bonadea33
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posted January 23, 2010 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Jon,

Thank you for comment. I know now that I am victim of this woman. I have her (?) Identity Card and have sent to Anti-Fraud Organisation, but they don't do much. If I had better health, I would do better because I was victim and they were not.

Hi vapor-lash,

You ask me too much. I am not telling you that. I am playing with death, but now this Asteroid won't be with me: for myself and for the people, I like. I don't dare to go so far.

Bobbie

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bonadea33
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posted January 23, 2010 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Here is my SR for 2009/10:

The first time in my life I have almost all planets bellow horizon. I feel like in some hole.
Later, I was wondering what means Saturn in 9th in square with me, ASC? Saturn is ruler of my 2nd here. Otherwise, ruler of my money (in Natal) is Pluto and I always look where my Pluto is.
I knew that Saturn means Gypsies. I didn't know that Saturn means also black people. Now I know.
Here is also ruler of Solar 2nd, Jupiter in 3rd with hard aspects. All shows that this was and still is: losing money for somebody far away.

Funny here: Sun in 4th/5th and Moon in 6th didn't work.

Bobbie

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vapor-lash
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posted January 23, 2010 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Bondea -

Considering the number of deaths that take place daily - It is impossible for this asteroid to have transited the 8th house in every one of their solar returns.. or 80% for that matter. They would all have to have the exact same Ascendant in their Solar Return for that year. Do you have an explanation for this inconsistency?

World Death Statistics: http://www.worldometers.info
Today - 151, 847 died - This number is going up in less than seconds.. and on and on.. It's already at 151, 908 now.

Are you saying all of these people (or 80%) had this particular transit in their Solar Return?

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vapor-lash
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posted January 23, 2010 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Honestly - I'm concerned at how frightened you seem about this, calling it a dangerous game - akin to playing with fire.

I feel like saying - relax and don't stress about it!

Because it's simply impossible.

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bonadea33
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posted January 23, 2010 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi vapor-lash,

I am in one Forum for Medical Astrology and post there: Natal Chart, SR for the year the person died and SA, SP for the day, that person died.
This Asteroid is very often (not always) coming over 8th; or in SR in 8th house. I gave only comment: look, again is in 8th!

One member, she has seen that and has asked me, what that Asteroid means? I have told her and have stopped with that.

Those persons have lived from 16th until 20th Century: means in a very different time.

Bobbie

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vapor-lash
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posted January 23, 2010 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Hi again -

It's interesting that you found this pattern in several charts. It might say something about the people you looked up. Perhaps the asteroid is connected with fame or a particular type of fame etc...

But for you to say that this asteroid is connected to death in general - is impossible..as I explained above.

Too many people die all day - every day - around the world.
It isn't possible for 80% of them.. or for a statistically significant number of them to *all* have this in the 8th house of their SR.

So what I am saying is - Amowls' comment still stands.

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bonadea33
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posted January 26, 2010 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi vapor-lash,

Sorry, I didn't answer before.

About Natal Charts and death I have two examples:
As I read biographies very often, I have read also about:
1. Alexander, the Great and
2. Ivan IV, the Terrible (Russian emperor).

Both of them (all emperors) had the personal Astrologer.
Alexander wasn't 33 years old when he got some strange disease. He was ill but he wanted to go to Africa. His Astrologer told him that he is too weak and can't go anywhere. Other officers and soldiers (in Babilon) have run around to find a doctor to help Alexander. His Astrologer knew that death is very close and none doctor can help him. He told to other people, not to search anybody. After few days Alexander was dead (3 weeks before his 33rd birthday).
2. Astrologer from Ivan IV also knew exactly when is Ivan going to die: March 18th. He told that to Ivan, before. The day came, Ivan was very sick. In late afternoon Ivan was still alive and told to some man next to him: Astrologer has lied, I am not going to die. Today is March 18th and I am still alive. Astrologer told back: it is still March 18th! In the late evening Ivan was dead.

I knew before that ancient Astrologers knew the day of death, but have learnt more with reading biographies from this people through the history. They all had private Astrologers they have been also clairvoyant, like the Astrologer from Alexander, the Great.

Bobbie

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vapor-lash
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posted January 26, 2010 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Bobbie,


You didn't explain what I mentioned above. I'm not interested in famous or infamous people who have lived and died long before our time.

1. Hundreds of thousands of people die daily around the world - at PRESENT. Are you suggesting that they all have the same birth chart and solar return chart?

- The only answer I could see you or anyone else giving here is that: "there are several possible aspects and not just *one* that leads to death."

But if they say this ^ then they've acknowledged that several possible aspects can play out in *different* ways.. so it's all back to "interpretation". There is no certainty in the "prediction".

2. I have something else to add. Take TWINS! The only people alive who can have extremely similar charts. Are you saying that all twins die on the same day?
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070318/news_1c18twins.html

That is an article about twins dying (one before the other). One lady lost her identical twin to drugs. Another lost her twin to breast cancer. Neither of them died along with the twin but the twin's death had a significant impact on their own lives. One of them says she felt "dead" herself due to the pain.

I think this is a perfect example of astrology playing out in different ways. Lets say both these twins had T. Pluto conjunct their NN (for example).. one died whilst the other lived and experienced a death in her family. Many other people might experience something else entirely with the same transit. This is why no one can predict death through astrology.

The way different aspects play out - is variable.

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Astrologer from Ivan IV also knew exactly when is Ivan going to die: March 18th.

Astrology is the art of interpreting a chart and interpreting possible events *using* a chart. Perhaps these people were psychic and were combining their psychic powers with their astrological knowledge. But from astrology as SUCH.. it is impossible to predict the time of death. For the reasons I mentioned above.

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Please don't mistake what I am saying for opinion. This is not "an" opinion. It is not "my" opinion.

These are facts. There are twins out there in the world with almost the exact same birth chart who die at different times. This is a FACT - Period.

If there was a way to predict death purely by interpreting natal charts, progressed charts or SR charts (or any other types of charts you can think of) - What explanation could you possible have for that? The twins will always have closely similar charts.. and yet - they don't *both* die.

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DD
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posted January 26, 2010 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Vapor,

"The way different aspects play out - is variable."
I agree.

That is also the reason I think that astrology on its own can never make accurate predictions of specific events; The same aspect can be experienced on different levels, in different ways.

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bonadea33
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posted January 27, 2010 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi vapor-lash,

Thank you again for your comment.

Of course those Astrologers in ancient times were also some kind of clairvoyants. Astrologer from Alexander the Great has "looked" into inner organs of the animals. I know that in Africa some people look the bones from animals. What they see there, I don't know.
There are also other signs (aspects and houses) that people have similar Solar Return Charts in the year of death. I don't want to write so much about death as I will rather write about something nice.
I was only surprised how come one Asteroid can mean so much? Not only by death: also by other things, like love, health, travelling and so on. Therefore I have asked here about Asteroids for different areas.
About twins: I know 2 women, twins. They have 10 minutes difference of birth. One is ASC Aquarius, other is ASC Pisces. The Pisces is married and has two children; Aquarius is not married and helps her sister by children.
Twins can't be really identical. Two children at once can't come out (be born at the same hour and minute).
To help by twins there is also their palm reading, so it is not "only Astrology".

Bobbie

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bonadea33
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posted January 28, 2010 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi DD,

I have just got the answer in your language, that with Traditional Astrology it can be known date of death.
As I don't want to write about death anymore, I have the same "hobby" as you have. It is about love.
Go on, write: bozena115 on G. and you will see, what I am collecting.

With regards,
Bobbie

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posted January 28, 2010 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
I would like to research this mysterious Asteroid. Have seen death up and close.
Nearly 18 past lives recalled and have RUDRA conj Saturn. I know my Soul is immortal.

It is possible that this mysterious Asteroid was aspect another Asteroid in all the cases.

I consider death as an exit point. Even if a view point held for long "dies" in a human, it is a sort of death/transformation.

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