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DiandraReborn25
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posted January 25, 2010 06:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi!

Here it is,that table you asked.


1. Twin Flames
2. True Love Relationship Soulmates
3. Karmic Soulmates "owing" love/care
4. Karmic Soulmates who owe tough lessons
5. Soulmates meant to be just friends who guide each other
6. Not soulmates at all but just met at the wrong astrological time and got into a difficult relationship that has grown on you both.

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eskimono
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posted January 25, 2010 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you figure out which one it is that you are seeing/experiencing?

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DiandraReborn25
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posted January 25, 2010 08:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
first fow how you feel in the relationship,and torwards the parnter.

then..if you want to confirm,you study your aspects together.

For me,the persons sho helped me most were IQ and DD.

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comica23
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posted January 25, 2010 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Diandra! X3 I remember seeing this before, but couldn't remember where this was.

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iQ
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posted January 25, 2010 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting this, I will post an approximate way to easily categorize.

None of this works effectively when the date of birth gap is less than 40 days.

1. Twin Flames
Will have 3 or more than 3 Soulmate Pair Asteroid aspects in Synastry.
Soulmate Pairs:
PSYCHE,EROS
ISIS,OSIRIS
PROSERPINA/PERSEPHONE, Pluto
HERA,ZEUS
INNANEN,ADONIS
JUNO, Jupiter
KAALI,SIVA

Sun-Moon will aspect.

Moons will aspect.

Ascendants will aspect directly or link through a common Fate Object like Saturn, KARMA, North Node, MOIRA, FORTUNA or TYCHE.

Asteroid VALENTINE will be harmoniously aspected directly or through a link object of love/togetherness: AMOR, APHRODITE, CUPIDO, EROS, JUNO, ANGEL, BODA, UNION.

There will be atleast one very exact double whammy of a love object.

There will be atleast one very exact double whammy of a fate object.

Not all of the above HAS TO EXIST exactly if years and years of dreams/synchronicities already point to the Twin Flame.

2. True Love Relationship Soulmates:
Will have plenty of the above, including Asc aspects but there will be the odd harsh Saturn aspect. May not have more than one double whammy.
Atleast 2 Soulmate Pairs will aspect.

3. Soulmates owing love debts:
Will have Ascendant Aspects to love and fate objects.
Will have far too many love object aspects as compared to fate object aspects.
Atleast one soulmate pair aspect will exist.
Asteroid VALENTINE or AMOR or EROS or JUNO will be strong.

4. Soulmates owing harsh lessons:
Will have Ascendant Aspects to love and fate objects.
Will have far too many fate object aspects as compared to love object aspects.
The love object aspects will be largely harsh.
Atleast one soulmate pair aspect will exist, and it will be a harsh aspect.
Asteroid KARMA, NN, Saturn will be very strong.

5. Soulmate friends/teachers
Ascendant aspects or exact Moon aspects will exist. Suns will be harmonious.
There may be good Soulmate Pair aspects in draconic chart, and possibly just one in the natals.
There will be exact aspects involving Sun, Jupiter, Neptune, AMOR, Pluto, Chiron, ANGEL and SPIRIT.

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posted January 25, 2010 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to hijack this thread - I am trying to learn some LL manners!

iQ - would you mind taking a look at my post on this forum 'can someone help with these charts'? I am thinking 4)?

I hope you can help.

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DiandraReborn25
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posted January 25, 2010 12:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you┤re welcome IQ

do you think that a gap between 85 days,is under this table?

the orb is about 3║max,right?
and the aspects you talk are the major ones?
does the indications include draco,or it is only tropical?

cause when i saw aspects beteen John and his ex.who you said she was SM but a karmic,they were born 85 days apart,but you said that as they were born so close,the aspects couldnt be counted.

they shared:

- isis/osiris cj (his osiris/isis cj her osiris 0║)
- psyche/Eros cj 5║
- juno/jup sextile
- no kaali/siva
- no pluto/properp/perseph
- his Hera semisquare her Zeus

- no sun/moon major aspect
- moons sextile
- asc+s quindecile

- asc of J┤s skuare her jup/Pl/karma/angel.
- asc of Her┤s skuare his moon/alma.cj his boda and trine his amor

- saturn of J┤s kikx her valentine,opose angel and karma of hers
- saturn of hers opose hs mc
- his NN cj hers sun/nn/amor
--his NN skuare her mars/fortuna and semisk tyche
- her NN sk his merc/MC and kikx alma
-his karma cj her boda,sextile her amor/union
- her karma opose his saturn/pluto.skuare his asc.cj his fortuna and kikx his Tyche.

- his Valentine opose her moon,skuare her union and Psyche.sextile her fortuna.trine her saturn,mars and cj her venus.

- her valentine square his moon(dw).kikx his saturn and cupid.skuare his union(dw).trine her tyche.trine his venus(dw).skuare his kaali and opose his siva.

they have 3 DW of valentine/venus,valent/moon,valent/union,two of them harsh aspects.

do you think they were karmic sm who owed love debts or hars lessons?

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posted January 25, 2010 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
iQ, so the difference between Twin Flames and True Relationship Soulmates is that TRS has many aspects you listed for TFs but not all of them, and has the odd harsh Saturn aspect, right? (by the way, what is the odd harsh Saturn aspect?)

Also, the difference between TF/TRS and Karmic Soulmates is that TF/TRS has plenty conjunctions/soft aspects (with only few or no squares), while KS has harsh aspects mostly (squares) with only few soft aspects, right? (since TF/TRS are supposed to be happy, while KS are supposed to work the karmic issues out)

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posted January 26, 2010 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder, what does it mean if there are several soulmate pair aspects, but they are mainly square and opposition? or if the orbs are pretty wide (around 3 degrees)?
And what about the quinkunx?

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posted January 26, 2010 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if you have a double whammy of Venus cj the other person's name?? is that considered love object??

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posted January 26, 2010 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Diandra,
You are spot on target, they were Soulmates for sharing lessons.

DD wrote:
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I wonder, what does it mean if there are several soulmate pair aspects, but they are mainly square and opposition? or if the orbs are pretty wide (around 3 degrees)?
And what about the quinkunx?
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These are twin flames who are not ready to merge. Quincunx should be treated like a mildly harsh aspect that can quickly become a positive aspect by having more empathy.

Hi Agent009,
This can be considered like a Love Object "Venus" conjuncting a uniqely fate object "Name Asteroid". It is very harmonious.

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DD
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posted January 26, 2010 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ,

that was my idea, too. That the harsh aspects don`t negate the connection, but that they might indicate that the people are not ready for their union yet. Thanks for the confirmation.

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DD
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posted January 26, 2010 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am going to look at four synastries here; since it is much to look at I will do it step by step.

I am considering the quinkunx only in the soulmate pair aspects. But I will include the antiscion and contrascion.

I will use an orb of 3 degrees for conjunction, opposition, trine and square.
And an orb of 2 degrees for sextile, quinkunx and antiscion / contrascion.


1. S o u l m a t e p a i r s


David

d i r e c t aspects
(his OSIRIS opposite her ISIS (4.0))

his INANNEN square her ADONIS (1.1)
his ADONIS quinkunx her INANNEN (1.1)

his JUPITER sextile her JUNO (0.2)

l i n k e d aspects:

his SATURN square her JUNO (0.2)
her SATURN opposite his JUNO (0.2)

his MOIRA conjunct her OSIRIS (2.3)
her MOIRA square his ISIS (1.2)

his TYCHE sextile her EROS (2.3)
her TYCHE conjunct his PSYCHE (0.3)


Ferris

d i r e c t aspects

his PROSERPINA trine her PLUTO (1.0)
his PERSEPHONE opposite her PLUTO (0.4)

his ADONIS trine her INNANEN (1.2)

his HERA antiscion her ZEUS (0.4)


l i n k e d aspects

his SATURN conjunct her HERA (0.4)
her SATURN opposite his ZEUS (2.5)

his FORTUNA square her JUNO (0.4)
her FORTUNA conjunct his JUPITER (1.2)


Holger

his PROSERPINA trine her PLUTO (1.2)
his PLUTO square her PROSERPINA (0.3)

his ZEUS conjunct her HERA (1.4)

(his JUNO widely quinkunx her JUPITER (2.2))


l i n k e d aspects

his SATURN trine her EROS (2.3)
her SATURN sextile his PSYCHE (1.2)

Bruno


d i r e c t aspects

his PROSERPINA quinkunx her PLUTO (1.1)
his PERSEPHONE square her PLUTO (2.3)
(( his pLUTO trine her PROSERPINA (3.4)))

his JUPITER trine her JUNO (3.0)

his KAALI trine her SIVA (2.5)


l i n k e d aspects

his KARMA trine her OSIRIS (2.1)
her KARMA quinkunx his ISIS (1.5)

his TYCHE sextile her OSIRIS (1.1)
her TYCHE conjunct his ISIS (3.5)

his KARMA square her INNANEN (2.0)
her KARMA quinkunx his ADONIS (0.1)

his KARMA opposite her JUNO (1.1)
her KARMA quinkunx his JUNO (0.4)

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posted January 26, 2010 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have these:

Direct aspects
His PLUTO trine my PROSERPINA 5 points
His ISIS trine my OSIRIS 5 points
His SIVA quincunx my KAALI 5 points


Linked aspects
his PERSEPHONE sq my KARMA (1) and my PERSEPHONE sq his KARMA (3)
his PROSERPINA trine my SATURN/NN and his NN opp my PLUTO (3)
his PROSERPINA trine my SATURN/NN (2) and his NN opp my PLUTO (3)


Which category do they fit into please?
IQ? DD? Diandra?

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posted January 26, 2010 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
2. C o r e a s p e c t s: SUN, MOON and ASC to each other

David

his MOON sextile her SUN (2.0)
his ASC conjunct her ASC (2.1)
both MOONS in Airsign


Ferris

both SUNS in fire signs
his SUN Sextile her MOON (0.1)
his MOON square her MOON (2.2)

Holger

(((his Sun very widely conjunct her Sun 4.2)))

his MOON trine her SUN (2.4)

both ASC`s signs in fire

Bruno

his SUN square her SUN (2.3)
both MOONS in Aquarius
his ASC square her SUN (1.5)

NOw to the fated and love objects; I grouped them like this:

fated: Saturn, NN, Karma, Fortuna, Tyche, Moira
love: Valentine, Amor, Juno, Eros, Aphrodite, Cupido

3. F a t e d / L o v e o b j e c t s to c o r e o b j e c t s

David

his SATURN trine her MOON (1.3)
(his FORTUNA widely sextile her SUN (2.2))
her NN conjunct his ASC (0.5)

his CUPIDO conjunct her ASC (0.2)
her EROS antiscion his ASC (0.1)


Ferris

his NN opposite her MOON (1.0)
his MOIRA conjunct her MOON (1.0)
his FORTUNA sextile her MOON (0.3)
her SATURN Square his SUN (0.0)
(her SATURN widely sextile his MOON 2.2))
her KARMA sextile his SUN )0.4)


his CUPIDO square her SUN (1.4)
his EROS trine her ASC (0.0)
her CUPIDO trine his SUN (3.0)
her EROS Sextile his MOON (1.4)


Holger

his SATURN Square her SUN (2.2)
his NN square her MOON (1.4)
his TYCHE conjunct her ASC (1.4)
her FORTUNA sextile his SUN (1.0)
her FORTUNA antiscion his MOON (0.2)

no love objects to Sun, Moon, ASC

Bruno

his KARMA square her ASC (3.0)
his TYCHE Square her ASC (0.2)


his AMOR trine her SUN (1.4)
(his CUPIDO opposite her MOON 3.1)
his JUNO square her MOON (0.5)
(her AMOR sextile his MOON (2.3)
her VALENTINE Trine his SUN (0.5)
her VALENTINE Sextile his ASC (0.1)
her VALENTUNE antiscion his MOON (0.0)

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posted January 26, 2010 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara,

to see into which category they fit, you would have to list all the aspects, I guess. It is only a piece of the picture, even though an intriguing one.

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posted January 26, 2010 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh ok

his AC trine my AMOR 2 points
my SUN trine his JUNO 2 points
my MOON trine his AMOR 2 points
his AC quincunx my AMOR 1 point
7

his VENUS trine my EROS 1 point
my VENUS trine his AMOR 1 point
2

my SUN cj his SATURN 3 points
my MOON cj his DESTINN 3 points
his AC trine my SATURN 1 point
his AC trine my NN 1 point
his AC trine my TYCHE 1 point
his SUN opp my DESTINN 1 point
10

his VENUS quincunx my KARMA 1 point
his PLUTO quincunx my SATURN 1 point
his PLUTO quincunx my NN 1 point
his PLUTO quincunx my TYCHE 1 point
my VENUS cj his DESTINN 2 points
my PLUTO quincunx his DESTINN 1 point
my PLUTO opp his NN 1 point
8

his NN trine my VALENTINE 1 point
his SATURN opp my JUNO 1 point
my TYCHE trine his AMOR 1 point
my FORTUNA opp his JUNO 1 point
4

his SATURN opp my KARMA 1 point
his DESTINN cj my SATURN 3 point
his DESTINN cj my NN 3 point
his AMOR trine my AMOR 2 points
9

his VENUS AIR my APHRODITE 1 point
His EROS AIR my APHRODITE 1 point
My MARS EARTH his JUNO 1 poiint
My PLUTO earth his JUNO 1 point
My EROS AIR his VENUS 1 point
My EROS air his EROS 1 point
6

His LUST trine my VALENTINE 1 point
My LUST trine his MARS 1 point
His NEPTUNE trine my VALENTINE 1 point
My NEPTUNE conjunct his LUST 2 points
5

His PLUTO trine my PROSERPINA 5 points
His ISIS trine my OSIRIS 5 points
His SIVA quincunx my KAALI 5 points
15

total 66 points

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posted January 26, 2010 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i forgot the AC aspects to qualify...

TYCHE trine my AC / tyche trine his AC
NN trine his AC
ANGEL cj my ANGEL
AC/DC cj

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posted January 26, 2010 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
4. F A T E D - F A T E D and L O V E to L O V E


David


his SATURN conjunct her KARMA (0.3)
his NN opposite her SATURN (0.0)
his MOIRA sextile her TYCHE (0.0)
his FORTUNA trine her FORTUNA (3.0)


his AMOR opposite her CUPIDO )3.0)
his CUPIDO antiscion her EROS (1.4)
hisEROS trine her EROS (1.0)
his JUNO conjunct her AMOR (0.0)

Ferris

his SATURN sextile her NN (0.2)
his SATURN Square her TYCHE (0.4)
his KARMA Opposite her TYCHEž (2.4)
his NN sextile her KARMA (0.0)
his NN square her MOIRA (2.0)
his NN antiscion her MOIRA (0.0)
his MOIRA Trine her KARMA (2.0)
his MORIA antiscion her MOIRA (2.0)
his MOIRA antiscion her TYCHE (1.4)
his FORTUNA opposite her KARMA (1.3)
his TYCHE trine her FORTUNA (0.1)


his AMOR conjunct her JUNO (0.4)
his AMOR antiscion her APHRODITE (0.5)
his JUNO square her CUPIDO (1.3)
his VALENTINE Opposite her VALENTINE (2.4)


Holger

his NN sextile her KARMA (1.3)
his NN opposite her MOIRA (1.2)

his AMOR conjunct her AMOR (1.2)
his APHRODITE conjunct her JUNO (3.1)
his CUPIDO opposite her EROS (3.1)
his JUNO sextile her APHRODITE (0.3)
his VALENTINE oppospite her APHRODITE (0.5)
his VALENTINE antiscion her JUNO (0.4)

Bruno

his KARMA square her NN (0.0)
his KARMA sextile her TYCHE (0.2)
his NN sextile her FORTUNA (0.1)

his CUPIDO conjunct her CUPIDO (0.2)
his JUNO square her CUPIDO (2.0)
his JUNO trine her JUNO (1.0)
his EROS Trine her VALENTINE (1.3)
his VALENTINE sextile her AMOR (1.3)
his VALENTINE antiscion her VALENTINE (1.0)

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IQ,
If you ever want to use us as an example, you have my blessing. It might be the easiest to show, since you just worked on ours.

But if you do, would you consider creating a separate thread, if Diandra doesn't mind? My sense is that this thread will be very difficult for people to find in the future. People might not remember the topic of the "To Comica" thread.

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awww

i never thought that the thread would create such a search hihihi

i only wanted to show Comica the table.

But you┤re right VIG,i should have put a title more in convenience with the subject..dahh

and i would love to see your aspects with your TF - must be amazing really!

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posted January 26, 2010 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VIG, it's a really nice suggestion! It would be great if there are actual examples of the cases. X3 Also, your case is a TF case right? do you have all the things iQ listed?

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posted January 26, 2010 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VIG

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posted January 26, 2010 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VIG;

yes, I am interested,t oo, how works that list for you?

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posted January 27, 2010 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did IQ's Soul Mate Calculator when he first created it. I seem to remember it being over 50.

When IQ posted his thread about the Saturn Shift charts, he noted that we had a Sun conjunct Sun when he looked at our Saturn shift. He also mentioned that he had lost count of the aspects that we have in our Natals and Draconics.

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