posted January 27, 2010 09:52 AM         

Parallels are likened to conjunctions, and contra-parallels to oppositions. When planets form an aspect to one another in synastry and are also parallel to each other, the parallel acts to reinforce that aspect.

Solstice Points/Antiscia in Synastry
Some astrologers use Solstice Points (Antiscia) in Synastry work, where the Antiscion degrees of one person's planets and points are compared to the other person's natal positions.

posted January 27, 2010 10:20 AM         

I'd use smaller orbs for Pluto and the other transneptunians compared to the other objects.......especially in synastry like an orb of 10 minutes of arc.

I have Saturn contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune in the declinations with a corresponding Saturn oppose Mercury-Venus-Neptune declination longitude equivalent chart, and I can strongly relate to it in regards to the issue of restriction,limitations interfering with my mental activity,my love nature that involves receptiveness,inspiration,idealism. I feel that it reflects my longtime insecurity about my intelligence and attractiveness and the problems with things ruled by Mercury and Venus when considering the Saturn-Neptune configuration can indicate significant problems, especially from a health standpoint.

I have no Mercury-Neptune nor Venus-Neptune aspects in my regular chart. I have Saturn oppose Neptune,and so I have Saturn-Neptune occultation.

Cosmobiologists use declinations too,and they even use declination midpoints. This was before the Magi Astrology came out.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 27, 2010 10:26 AM         

What orb would you allow for parallels in synastry with personal planets?

Cosmobiology is a very interesting system. I am just reading a book about it. I prefer it very much to Uranian astrology, cause I can`t buy all that stuff about hypothetical planets.

posted January 27, 2010 10:41 AM         

"Cosmobiology is a very interesting system. I am just reading a book about it. I prefer it very much to Uranian astrology, cause I can`t buy all that stuff about hypothetical planets."

Yeah...I can't buy into them either. Why use objects that haven't been discovered yet. There is nothing scientific about that. I think Cosmobiology is a lot more scientific than Uranian Astrology. I think the planetary pictures are valid, and Magi Society calls them Magi Quads. For instance, I have Sun/Mercury midpoint conjunct Jupiter/Uranus midpoint with 3 minutes of arc.

What orb would you allow for parallels in synastry with personal planets?

1 degree.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 27, 2010 10:48 AM         

I am still a bit sceptical though. Not regarding the use generally, but regarding the use for soulmate pairs as per IQ`s list. It means that probably everyone will end up having several soulmate pair aspects with anyone in the world and from that drawing conclusions about two people being soulmates.

I am very sceptical of this.

But that doesn`t mean that parallels don`t work. I probably am more sceptical towards these attempts of "classifying" relationship-partners as soulmates or not. I actually like to do classifications myself, but I can already see someone reading this here, discovering a 1 and a half degree parallel between Eros and Psyche in the synastry with a man they have just met, and from this point on concluding this man must be the ONE; and then the wheels are being set in motion and spinning and the path to disappointment is already prepared. Maybe I am just thinking too negatively today.

But that is what I fear.

On the other hand, it might be very helpful to calculate everything including the equivalent chart to get a complete overview.

posted January 27, 2010 10:57 AM         

Do you think this is valid even if there is no triggering on this midpoint?

I am having
Uranus / Node on 20°21 Scorpio
Venus / MC on 20°33 Scorpio
Uranus / Neptune on 20°39 Scorpio

So, I guess, everytime a transiting object would be at around 20 degree of Scorpio, Taurus, Leo or Aquarius these midpoints would be activated, even though I do not have a natal planet on 20 degree of the fixed signs?

posted January 27, 2010 10:59 AM         

I feel uneasy using asteroids in synastry any way.

I really don't put much emphasis on minor asteroids in synastry any way.

asteroids aren't personal planets with them mainly orbiting between Mars and Jupiter. They are a bridge between the personal and social. A whole lot of people can have asteroid-asteroid aspects with each other. They would be more significant if angles were involved with those aspects.

not all asteroids orbit between Mars and Jupiter. There are many objects that share the same orbit as Jupiter,and those are Jupiter trojans.

There are even objects that share the same orbit as Neptune, .....Neptune trojans.

There are even objects that share same orbit as Mars......Mars Trojans

I mainly look at the main stuff.

If I were to use an asteroid in synastry, it would definitely be Ceres which is the largest asteroid by far, and is the only asteroid that is classed as dwarf planet, making it equal to Pluto in Astronomy with both of them be dwarf planets. I always thought Ceres was highly underrated. Chiron got more respect than Ceres in Astrology, and Chiron doesn't come near being Ceres' size. It doesn't meet dwarf planet criteria. It was just that Chiron was so unique because it was an asteroid-comet hybrid, a centaur. It was the first of its kind discovered. Now we have over 60 other centaur objects in our solar system. Chiron isn't so unique any more. I am still wondering what Magi Society is going to do about the other centaurs with their unusually high emphasis on Chiron as this superplanet-like object. Astronomers are finding that these centaurs actually originated in the kuiper belt where Pluto and the transneptunians are located. It's also the source of comets. Sedna is hypothesized to be an inner Oort cloud object. However,the Oort Cloud is just a hypothesis. It hasn't been discovered yet. Kuiper Belt was also a hypothesis,but it turned out to be true. So who knows......it's possible that astronomers could actually find a whole bunch of Pluto size objects in our solar system.

any ways....I'd mainly look at Ceres,Juno which is named after Goddess of Marriage as well as Pallas and Vesta.

Those are the first 4 asteroids discovered too. Hygiea is a significantly sized asteroid too.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 27, 2010 11:07 AM         

I am not sure. It's just a different concept that Uranian Astrologers and Magi Astrologers use. Also David Cochrane wrote about them.....Isosceles Trapezoids.
http://cosmic.patterns.com/ArabicParts.htm

I have Sun seminovile Uranus with 3 minutes of arc and Mercury seminovile Jupiter with 3 minutes of arc. I have Sun oppose Uranus with 25 minutes of arc and Mercury oppose Jupiter with 33 minutes of arc in my 9th harmonic chart. They aspect each other in a mystical rectangle.

I am considering replacing midpoints with object nodes which astronomers always record when they track,measure objects and their orbits.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 27, 2010 11:20 AM         

Declinations require much smaller orbs than regular aspects any way.

with asteroids,it would make sense for the orbs to be considerably smaller than with planets.
I use no more than 30 minutes of arc.

I use to believe that I could relate to My Sun contraparallel Pluto with 46 minutes of arc.

but finding out that I had Sun conjunct plutino,Ixion with 5 minutes of arc, I started scratching my head.

Then after I found out that I have Sun contraparallel plutino,Orcus with 1 minute of arc, I scratched my head some more.

I think those 2 aspects were the reason why I could relate to the Sun contraparallel Pluto.

but there is also the Sun-Pluto golden section aspect with 5 minutes of arc which is part of a golden section triangle with Mars. It is responsible for my having Pluto square Sun/Mars midpoint with 14 minutes of arc.

if you feel uneasy using the declinations, there are the declination longitude equivalent that can be used. Those are very similar to the antiscia,contrascia.
http://www.solsticepoint.com/seconddec.html
http://www.solsticepoint.com/synastry.html
http://southbayastrology.org/astroblogs/?p=9

I have Saturn oppose Mercury-Venus-Neptune in my declination equivalent chart just like I have Saturn contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune

Robert Hand seems to think that declinations aren't valid unless they are in aspect in the declination equivalent chart.
That's what I gathered from his book,HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS. Of course,there are astrologers that don't share that view like Cosmobiologists and Magi Astrologers.

here is some stuff on declinations
http://www.mandala.be/declination/jayne.htm

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 28, 2010 01:04 PM         

you said that you consider replacing midpoints. Have you found them to be insignificant or invalid?

" feel uneasy using asteroids in synastry any way."
Well, if they can be used in natal, they can be used in synastry, too.

I am still researching them, but so far it seems that Juno and Eros seem to appear frequently in synastries. And Eros is pretty quickly moving, at least a lot faster than Saturn for example.

But then there are so many out there...

"I mainly look at the main stuff."
You mean, personal planets and angles?

"If I were to use an asteroid in synastry, it would definitely be Ceres which is the largest asteroid by far"
Yes, I agree. Ceres is really underestimated.

posted January 28, 2010 01:32 PM         

speaking in Magi terms, that is a very potent sexual aspect pattern, isn`t it?