posted January 30, 2010 11:30 AM         

Here is IQ's reponse
What do you think?

<<I read somewhere that Lilith conjunct venus makes someone ugly, not so much on the outside but within.>>
The Archetype of Lilith [Asteroid Lilith, have not studied BML] is very negative. I would say Lilith conj Venus would be ugly within only when she is sexually neglected or made to feel inferior.
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Her swindle and lie conjunct her Mercury and Neptune in her 1st house in SAG.
she also has venus conjunct neptune in 1st in SAG. and her lilith is conjunct her venus and neptune as well. they are also sextile her pluto ruler of her first in her 10th house.
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SWINDLE-LIE-Neptune conjunction will make anyone have a propensity to lie, and conjunction to Mercury is a multiplier.
This would have been disastrous in Libra or in the 6th House. I am surpised that it is in First House Sagittarius. I would have thought exaggeration would be the problem than lying.

This is not about Lilith or Pluto. Some other object could be squaring this deadly "liar liar" cocktail of SWINDLE-LIE-Neptune-Mercury. Maybe this conjunction is too deadly and becomes a red flag for any sign/house.
Sometimes, a transit square will activate lying.

Very unfortunate case.

The info:

posted January 30, 2010 12:01 PM         

"The Archetype of Lilith [Asteroid Lilith, have not studied BML] is very negative."
I disagree with those who contribute to Lilith all the ugly and bad and evil things in this world. It is a very simplistic view on this archetypical figure, even though, yes, she has her dark spots and flaws, definitely.

She was Adam`s first wife, she was his EQUAL, which set her apart from Eve, who was created from one of his ribs, and was a "subordinate".

Lilith wanted this equality to be expressed in all regards, including the sexual (she didn`t want to lie beneath him).

She was denied this equality, and that is when she decided to leave Adam, because she couldn`t compromise her views on this (equality).

God kinda "stalked" her to force her to return to Adam, to compromise, to lie beneath him, but she wouldn`t. That is when God threatened to take care that she would never have children. Still she wouldn´t compromise. So her children died. That is when all that anger that had built up started to explode from her.

And that is when her own negativity started, too. It is true, in the myth she turned to Lucifer (who was just as disappointed with God), and she was full of resentments against men. Those who tried to kep their wifes "under their thumb" especially.

She became an image of the "evil woman", a "femme fatale" figure, which triggered fear and resentiments in men, as well as some kind of "dark fascination".

I think it has to do with her insisting of being treated as an equal.

To me she symbolises the inability to compromise her own truth, even if it means she will be a social outcast.

Having said that, if her rage is triggered for some reason, she can be very cruel and uncontrollable in her fury.

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SWINDLE-LIE-Neptune conjunction will make anyone have a propensity to lie, and conjunction to Mercury is a multiplier.

Maybe. But I also thought, that someone with this constellations could be very sensitive to lies, liars, deception and "smell" it a mile away. Especially with mercury, here. She could lie with her words, or she could easily detect lying words. As Mercury can be indicative of speaking as well as understanding.

With Neptune here and all int he 1st house, maybe there could also be the risk of somehow lie to oneself?

"I would have thought exaggeration would be the problem than lying. "
Yes, that would make sense.

" Maybe this conjunction is too deadly and becomes a red flag for any sign/house."
This certainly is not an easy combination, but I don´t think it is "too deadly". At least it doesn`t have to be. It depends on how she is handling this challenging configuration.

posted January 31, 2010 12:22 PM         

let me speak un-astrologically for a moment.

We (as in both of us) are dealing with a strange kind of "duality". In that I mean the duality of the physical as opposed to the spiritual / soul sphere.

He shares the physical sphere with this woman, and I am convinced, he does so for a reason (healing maybe? love? a family?).
But that does NOT Mean he doesn`t have "connections" to other souls.

I believe he has a soul-connection to you, at least your astrology and feelings imply that, or should I say: you have a soulconnection to him?

But maybe some soul-connections are only meant to stay this way: connection between two souls, without forming a relationship in the physical sphere, maybe even without the awareness of the other person.
Or maybe there will be changes in that, but it is not the right time yet. Maybe all of this is just a preparation for a connection (what kind ever) on the physical, too.

Hmm, I think that was very confusing what I wrote. What I mean is that we are not meant to have a romantic relationship to every soulmate in this incarnation. Maybe our role is sometimes just to stay as a spiritually supportive energy in the background.

I think the synchronicities and what is going to happen will show you clearly which path should be taken.
For example: if he suddenly thinks of doing theatre in a city near to you, I definitely would go there and see the play, if I were you.

But if nothing like this happens, then maybe a "crossing of paths" is not meant to happen. Yet.

posted January 31, 2010 01:19 PM         

I just want to get to the truth of what is.

Her solar PNE is conjunct my IC
Her lie and swindle trine her lunar PNE as well as his ASC and valentine.
Her Lie is quincunx her valentine.
Her valentine is opp her Jennifer.

posted January 31, 2010 02:11 PM         

The truth of what?
Your feelings? His feelings? the soulconnection?

Are you still wondering if you are soulmates at all?

The Pluto-Proserpina one seems a very significant one, very transformative. A strong soulmate pairing.