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Caramia
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posted January 30, 2010 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Caramia     Edit/Delete Message
Dearastrologers:

Below a synastry of myself with the torment of my life. Can somebody can tell me why this person has so much power over me and I just find so difficult to let go on him. Do you see any hope for me to hold on this person? what do you think overall of this synastry. thanks for your time. I appreciate any input. with all my heart. need second opinions. my scarse knowledge cannot get further than reading all the aspects in cafe astrology.

Cara
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vapor-lash
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posted January 30, 2010 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
hmm Cara I don't like the squares

Personally I don't think he has power over you, or not anymore power than you would have over him.. but as a sign Cancer can be quite clingy and depending on the length of the relationship - you might not want to let go.

You do have some intense aspects.. like his Venus conjunct your Pluto and his Pluto square your Moon/Mars. It could be mutually obsessive. I don't think he is less obsessed, if that's what you're wondering.

But I think you'd be much happier with a person whom you have nice Mercury, Sun and Moon aspects with

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rebran
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posted January 30, 2010 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rebran     Edit/Delete Message
hi Cara,
I am still learning but it looks like his Saturn is hitting just about every thing you've got.(a lot of red lines too)Maybe that has something to do with it since Saturn is supposed to be binding.

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Belage
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posted January 30, 2010 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
He has natal Pluto and Uranus conjunct his Venus, and your Pluto and Uranus fit right there. He is already used to that kind of energy because it's a natal aspect for him, so I would say you feel the obsession more because it's relatively new to you.

How do you let go of Plutonic bonds? I don't think you can control Pluto. When it is done with you, you'll be free. That doesn't mean you must stay in a relationship that is not right or good for you. But you may not be able to control the feelings you feel for him until you go through an inner death process...

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vapor-lash
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posted January 30, 2010 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
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He is already used to that kind of energy because it's a natal aspect for him, so I would say you feel the obsession more because it's relatively new to you.

Belage - I'm not sure about that. I have Venus opposite Pluto in my natal chart (on my Nodes).. and I had this aspect with several men throughout high school and university - since their Pluto was conjunct mine.

It only kicked in - in an obsessive manner when *they* had Mars or Venus aspects TO Pluto themselves. This is exactly her case - because she has Mars/Moon square that Uranus/Pluto *and* his Venus..

This is why I think it's mutually obsessive.

Rebran - good point! Saturn is definitely binding lol I should know - I have a double whammy with someone in my life

Cara - Maybe his Saturn projects some of his insecurities onto you and behaves in a controlling or suffocating manner.

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popcorn
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posted January 31, 2010 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Caramia: you have a T-square to your moon. The first one you have in your own chart, moon square saturn. I also have this one. This feeling stick to your inner. It takes time to you to give up your self and so on or whatever it is. The other one you also have are moon square pluto. Pluto and moon are also a fighter one. For me it's not strange you give the feelings to not give up or let go on him. This aspect give you the obsessed feelings. You have a possibility to change your obsessed feelings to something else. Maybe start some new project in your life...

The man trigg your t-square and of course it intensify and increase your feelings of obsessed..

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Caramia
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posted January 31, 2010 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Caramia     Edit/Delete Message
Thannks guys for all your insights. very helpful. need to do some reserch about t squares.

Rebran & Vapor, i feel the influence of saturn in this relationship. on the hand the idea that is binding, on the other criticism and coldness.

Belange: i have given up on the idea of controlling pluto. u are so right, when the inner death hit, i will know. i am still wonder what else i need to transform in myself that this man is triggering. I have learned a lot to be more emotionally independent and other control of my emotions in this relationship. i dont know if that is all i need to get from him... still wonder what else it is needed that i am still attached to him.

Vapor: it is so reassuring your point of his pluto square my moon/mars. i have overlooked to see midpoints just because of laziness. i have considered that for him any person aroun his age would touch his venus with their pluto, so i did not see why my pluto was diferent from all women of the same generation... but youmade clear that if my mar or venus dont contact his pluto it wouldnt have an impact. Interesting!!!! now it makes more sente, so it must be both pluto touching the venus or mars of the other person, right? BTW i observed in the PDF tables of the site that my pluto also makes a semitextile with his mars (0,10 orb)

Pop-Corn: I need to study the t-squares. Can u develop it further? BTW my moon trine saturn not square. it is my pluto that square my moon... which point he triggers in my t-square, the moon with his saturn, right?
Thanks for the advise of changing the obsessed energy into a new project. i also beleive it works. anytime i enthusiastically put energy on a project i starting seing signs of moving on. curiously and i dont know why, the man start searching for me again when i am starting to move on. have no clue how he finds out.

on another note, i went to ski today. it was too much fun. still learning but i love it. ciao a tutti

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Sanchenuss
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posted February 04, 2010 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sanchenuss     Edit/Delete Message
I don't need an astrological chart to tell you that he isn't good for you, you can't let go of him because you are too weak to do this by yourself, you let others, including me, give you the answers and thats all the excuse that you need. Why don't you start asking yourself these questions?

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Glaucus
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posted February 04, 2010 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I have to say straight up that synastry would make me nervous if I had that with somebody else. My first impression was "Yikes!"

His Saturn forms a synastry t-square with your Moon-Mercury square Uranus by opposing your Uranus and squaring your Moon-Mercury. The orbs aren't wide either. His Saturn squares your Moon with 31 minutes of arc and Mercury with 1'32 orb and oppose your Uranus with 24 minutes of arc. That could be how you feel a coldness and criticism from him. It can also indicate the possibility that you feel a sense of control,restriction,limitations with him that you might feel that your independence,individuality is being blocked.

Transiting Uranus is conjuncting his Saturn, opposing your Uranus,and squaring your Moon. So transiting Uranus is triggering your synastry t-square, and indicates issues involving independence,detachment,liberation. It can be a time for breakups, going one's separate ways. A way to handle the transit is to be detached and respect each other's independence.

His Chiron square your Mercury with 41 minutes of arc doesn't look good for communications either. Communications can be painful at times. Things that you say could activate past wounds,pain in his life.

The T-square of his Venus-Uranus oppose Saturn-Chiron square your Mercury indicates very significant communication issues.


Your Uranus conjuncts his Vertex with 1'09 orb and squares his Midheaven with 1'28 orb which indicates the independence,unpredictability of your nature merges triggering fated relationship with him but in friction with his aim of life. It can indicate a fated relationship that began suddenly but can end suddenly.

His Sun squares your Sun-Venus-Mars stellium. It squares your Sun with 36 minutes of arc,your Venus with 1'55 orb,and your Mars with 24 minutes of arc. This indicates that his ego,self expression is in friction with your ego,self expression, love nature,value systems,and your physical drive. With the Sun squaring your Venus, it could indicate an attachment to him that could rub him the wrong way.


You have Sun-Venus-Mars square Chiron, and his Sun forms a t-square with that. I can't help wondering if triggers any wounds,pain that you might had in past relationships with other men.

Transiting Pluto is conjuncting your Venus,and that can indicate that your love nature is intensified,and so there can be problems letting go connected to possible obsession. Transformation of your love nature. It can indicate a time that you need to let go of the old stuff to make way for the new. It's conjuncting the Sun/Venus midpoint. It's possible that if you let go of him, you can end up finding love with another man during those Pluto transits.

Solar Arc Neptune has been opposing your Sun, and so you're in a period of increased sensitivity,idealism. You have to make sure that you don't get caught up in illusion,deception.


I also checked your secondary progressions

Secondary Progressed Venus is sextile your Moon exact to the minute. That can indicate feelings of love,affection. It could indicate opportunity for love and relationships.

Secondary Progressed Jupiter is trining your Ascendant exact to the minute. That can indicate expansion,optimism involving personality and relationships with others.

Secondary Progressed Moon is trining your Ascendant with 37 minutes of arc applying right now. That can indicate increased emotional sensitivity. It should be a time of feeling emotionally secure in one's self.


also

your Secondary Progressed Juno and Secondary Progressed Ceres are in 2'28 Scorpio and 2'20 Scorpio respectively. This could indicate matters involving holding on/letting go of committed relationships/partners.
The conjunction is in a separation square your Midheaven with 12 and 4 minutes of arc, and so the the matters involving holding on/letting go of committed relationships/partners are in friction with your aim of life right now. However, the conjunction in applying trine to your Mars with 14 and 22 minutes respectively. So holding/letting go of committed relationships/partnerships are in harmony with your physical drive. That can be a good thing. This configuration could be good for moving on from a relationship so you can be involved with man that is much better for you.


The Astrology shows relationship opportunities for you, but it is up to you to take advantage of them or not. The first step is to let go of the past and look forward to the future. Transiting Pluto conjunct your Venus seems to show that big time.


I really hope that everything works out well for you.


Raymond

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Glaucus
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posted February 04, 2010 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Caramia,

I looked at your natal Moon square Pluto

Moon in 26'15 Gemini
square Pluto in 20'20 Virgo

That seems too wide for a transneptunian dwarf planet like Pluto. I use no more than 3 degree orb because it's a transneptunian dwarf planet. I use the same orb for all the other transneptunian dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates. That aspect is beyond the 5 degree orb that I use for planetary aspects.

on a hunch, I checked your Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude) chart to see if you have Moon square Pluto within 3 degree orb.


In Right Ascension:
Moon in 25'45 Gemini
square Pluto in 27'19 Virgo

I was right. You have Moon square Pluto within 3 degree orb, and it's within 2 degree orb.

The reason why you can relate to the Moon square Pluto is not because of the regular chart coordinates which is ecliptic longitude. It's because you actually have Moon square Pluto in Right Ascension.


I believe that astrologers get away with wide orb aspects with Pluto because the same aspect occurs in Right Ascension.

Because Pluto is an object that tends to orbit off the ecliptic, it has a significant difference between Ecliptic Longitude and Right Ascension. That's the same with Pluto's fellow transneptunians too.

Also...Your Moon and Saturn are in sextile and not trine.


you can verify Right Ascension aspects here:
make sure that you check the RA box. That's for Right Ascension. http://www.true-node.com/pos/


Raymond

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