posted February 04, 2010 04:06 AM         

Napoleon and Josephine:

Napoleon and Marie Louise:

B.

posted February 04, 2010 04:10 AM         

Here are
Composite Charts.

Napoleon and Josephine:

Napoleon and Marie Louise:

posted February 04, 2010 04:14 AM         

Is Venus really so important?

B.

posted February 04, 2010 04:30 AM         

There are both Venus in good aspects;
Both Mercury's in good aspects;
Both NN in trine and many other proofs they loved each other.

Yesterday I was thinking about Napoleon and Maria Walewska and went to Library to give other books. The man working there told me: here is book for you. It is new (or old) book: Napoleon and his great love, Maria Walewska! Now, I will see, how it went on with them two.

I hope, somebody gives the comment here.

Bobbie

posted February 04, 2010 04:50 AM         

By the way, Napoleon was in Paris when French Revolution has started. He was very young man and came back one day, to be Emperor of France.

B.

posted February 04, 2010 07:12 AM         

Maybe this would be a good example to try and see who is more attracted, synastrically?

posted February 04, 2010 08:03 AM         

Thank you for very good stuff about Napoleon and his great love, Josephine.
Who loves more? That is the question; I would like to see in the Synastry Chart? Here we know that Napoleon loved her more than she loved him.

There is other case, where Emperor Franz Joseph loved her Sissi, but she didn't love him that much (last night I have finished the book about diseases of Habsburg monarchy).

If somebody is able to explain it, it is YOU! You could get diploma for Synastry.

Bobbie

posted February 04, 2010 10:31 AM         

Anyway, I also was fascinated with the Sisi / Franz - Joseph story, and also with their Son Rudolph and the tragedy, and how it is all described so absolutely falsely.
They make it look like Mary Vetsera was the great love of his life, when in fact he was having a relationship / love with a simple young woman, Mizzi KAspar, and had asked HER to share his last night on earth. But she didn`t want to (well, I guess she did not want to die) and she even called the police of the court, Taffee, to warn him, and because he hated and despised the crownprince, he did NOTHING to prevent the suicide.

Mary Vetsera actually was one of the flings of Rudolph, and she apparently was very taken with him, but the fact that he approached his old lover first, is very telling about HIS feelings, I guess.

Anyway I think the Habsburg dynasty had another problem, which was their inclination to depression; especially in Sisi`s and Rudolph`s case this is obvious.
And then there was count Andrassy...

Oh I disgress, sorry, let us stay with the French.

posted February 04, 2010 02:29 PM         

In his natal he has an interesting configuration which I would NOT have expected in a military man:

His Sun is exactly conjunct Ceres!
Of course it is in Leo in 10th house, and it trines Amor in the 2nd house, which falls onto his NN
- seems love was part of his lifepath

Sun and Ceres are on the degree:
In A Circus The Bareback Rider Displays Her Dangerous Skill

He definitely knew how to take risks, but what does mean Ceres there?
The symbol of maternity and nurturing?
Well either deep at heart he was a caring, loving person (it trines Amor on NN), or maybe it could also be read that it was part of his Self (Sun), to care and nurture his public image and career (10th house), and he did it in grand, proud, leolike ways.

Chiron is in 5th house squaring his Amor on NN
So his wound revolved around children, and the love, that was written all over his lifepath was triggering that wound, as there was this tension between love and children.

Eros in Scorpio in 1 opposint Uranus in 7 and squaring Aphrodite in 10
- he was a very passionate, desirious man, and probably there was no way to keep his obsessive erotic nature hidden (Eros in Scorpio in 1, as well as Aphrodite in Leo in 10), but seems as if there have been many fluctuations (well we know THAT)

Lust conjuncts Pluto in 3rd house
that emphasises his obsession with sex and lust, and the 3rd house positions is maybe the reason for his very passionate letters.

Josephine`s natal shows an exact Sun-Mars-conjunction in Cancer in 1st house.
This is opposing Pluto in 7 and trines Midheaven
She must have been a very strong and passionate woman, with an inclination to obsessive relationships, maybe an attraction for powerful men (yes I know we know that, too).
But the fact that her Sun is in Cancer also indicates a gentle, very feminine side

her Venus conjunct Jupiter conjunct Eros in 2 and squares MC / Chiron in 10
- she, too, was a very sensual, erotic woman;
But her sensuality somehow was in strong conflict with her wound that revolved around her public image, calling, social standing

her Vertex conjunct Juno in 24 Libra in 5th house; squares Mercury (her ASC-ruler) in 2nd house and trines Amor in 1st house
Her fate (Vertex) was to be found in marriage (Juno) as well as romantic affairs or children (5th house).
The trine to Amor in 1st house shows that she was probably a loving soul, and that love would be some sort of comfort for her.
BUT her ASC ruler in 2nd house squaring this Vertex in 5th house - wow, what a clear indication!

Her physical being, her body (1st and 2nd house both are indicative of the body) was in strong conflict with her marriage and anything revolving around children. And that incompatibility between her physical being and her marriage and wish to have children actually WAS the reason or the expression of her fateful encounters.

posted February 04, 2010 02:37 PM         

from his perspective:

his Venus exactly conjuncts her Cupido
his Sun and Ceres conjunct her Neptune
his Amor and NN trine her Neptune and NN

his Eros exactly conjunct her Valentine

his ASC trine her Sun-Mars
his ASC trine her MC and Chiron

his MC trine her Moon
his MC square her Saturn

his Vertex conjunct her ASC

her Saturn falls onto his DESC

her Venus, ASC, Amor AND Eros all fall into his 8th house

from her perspective:

her Vensu trine his Moon

her Sun and Mars trine his ASC

her ASC square his Neptune

her MC trine his ASC

her Vertex and Juno square his Saturn

her Amor conjunct his SN
her AMor square his Chiron

her Valentine conjunct his Eros

her Aphrodite conjunct his SN

posted February 04, 2010 03:19 PM         

quote:

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I can't understand that he wrote so nice letters, full of love. It is much better than today's SMS, mails or calls.

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posted February 05, 2010 02:46 AM         

That is so nice: all your explanation about Josephine and Napoleon.

--Her fate (Vertex) was to be found in marriage (Juno) as well as romantic affairs or children (5th house)---
I understand here the marriage, because this marriage was based more on the sex from her side (both of them were hot, with difference that he was in love with her). Later, she was Empress what was more important to her than love.
What was not nice from her, she blamed Napoleon that he can't conceive the children. He has proved that with Maria Walewska and second wife, Marie Louise, that he can have children. Also, Josephine has betrayed him, whenever she had a chance.
As I am reading now the book about his first meeting with Maria Walewska (she was 18 years old and married with rich man, 73 years old) he was hungry for love. When he saw her first time in Poland he was sooo embarrassed about her, that he has fallen over her like a hungry person over the food.
He was too passionate man. Josephine gave him this passionate sex and he told that with such a hot woman is not difficult to make a war all over so many countries with mountains, rivers and very wild nature. .
That means: for him, love, sex and war were on the first place. Here is the mixture: Leo and Scorpio!

I wonder, where did you find all those Asteroids they are so important for love relationship?
Also: what has Vertex to do with Fate?
If that is so, then I understand myself: my Vertex has conjunction with Sun (7th), sextile with Karma (in 9th) and square with Mars (10th). Nothing special!