posted February 13, 2010 11:17 AM         

child 1
T sun cj MC
sun ruler of 7th

child 2
T pluto cj MC
pluto ruler of 10th
(this child was born on his due date)

posted February 13, 2010 05:15 PM         

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IF the MC represents the mother

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posted February 13, 2010 05:57 PM         

Saturn is the ruler of the father so its logical that the MC (ruled by Saturn) represents the father.

posted February 13, 2010 05:58 PM         

yes?

posted February 13, 2010 06:07 PM         

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maybe because the MC is 4th from the 7th?

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That would apply if your casting a horary for another or the mother-in-law in your own chart.

posted February 13, 2010 06:18 PM         

But I see houses as pretty "screwed up" anyway..
As Deliverance mentioned, the Moon - Cancer - 4th - Mother.. connection - makes sense.

But then what about the Sun - Leo - 5th - Father.. connection?

I guess it breaks down there, because we want the "father" to be represented by Capricorn and the 10th, which would make Saturn more of a father symbol than the Sun (I don't necessarily agree).

So - since there really isn't much rhyme or reason to houses form my perspective - I can't see why your take isn't possible..

posted February 13, 2010 06:20 PM         

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I'm sure IQ said the MC is mother or something.. maybe i'm going crazy though

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posted February 13, 2010 06:24 PM         

so i'm wondering IF this is an indicator of importance because i'm still finalizing the degree of my AC

posted February 13, 2010 06:36 PM         

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on the days my 3 kids were born, one of the following transiting planets (sun, mercury and pluto) were cj exact my possible MC

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That's very interesting!

So basically, if the point was IC (rather than MC) that would make you a Sagittarian Asc, right?

posted February 13, 2010 06:38 PM         

it really depends on the astrological system too

Uranian Astrologers and Cosmobiologists view the MC/IC as just the MC. They don't differentiate the 2. They don't use house systems like mainstream astrologers do.

They View the MC as the following:

MC : Midheaven : PSY: The individual's personal awareness or consciousness.
MANIFESTATIONS : The spirit. The psyche. Consciousness. The Ego. That which is "me" or "mine". The individual. Inner character. Inner nature. Life goals or aspirations. The conscious mind. The moment. The minute. The character of a city [in locational astrology].

also....in other house systems, the MC/IC axis can fall in other houses besides the 10th/4th.

in the polar regions, MC/IC can even be conjunct or opposite the Asc/Desc axis
with technically no houses at all.

I'd view the 10th house as the father and the 4th house as the mother like Vedic Astrologers do. Some Vedic Astrologers view 9th house as the father though because of the view of the father as being the guru (teacher).

the whole sign house system was said to be the original house system
with that each house corresponded with a zodiac sign sign. The houses were like the zodiac signs

1st-Aries
2nd-Taurus
3rd-Gemini
4th-Cancer
5th-Leo
6th-Virgo
7th-Libra
8th-Scorpio
9th-Sagittarius
10th-Capricorn
11th-Aquarius
12th-Pisces

some astrologers write books and write planets in signs and houses as the same like Pluto in 1st and Libra. Jeffrey Wolf Green does that. Maurice Fernandez. It's a way of looking at signature themes.

posted February 13, 2010 06:43 PM         

This MC is actually Sagittarius.. i've gone back to my Aquarian AC LOL

yeah i know !!!!!!!

So basically for these aspects to be to my IC i'd be LEO AC!
hahaha

Here are the aspects:
my AC 19' aqua
my MC 13' sag

1st child
his sun 12'16 sag
sun rules his AC

2nd child
his pluto 12'50 sag
pluto rules his 10th

3rd child
his mercury 13'18 sag
mercury rules his 4th and 7th

WEIRD!
So all 3 of my kids ALL have major planets on the same degree which also correlates to my 'presumed' MC.

posted February 13, 2010 06:43 PM         

"The role each parent plays in a child's development - not planetary rulerships - may be the safest means for locating parents in a chart. Sasportas makes a convincing argument that we'll find the “shaping parent”in our 10th. This is the one who had the greatest influence on our societal development. The 4th describes the more “hidden parent” - the one whose influence may have been less outwardly visible, but possibly stronger at an unconscious level."

posted February 13, 2010 06:46 PM         

13' sagittarius is sabian for egyptian!!!

and the New Moon in 3 hours time has an AC of 13' sag.

omg spooky?!! ?!! ?!!

posted February 13, 2010 06:48 PM         

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For one person the shaping parent could have been the mother, and for another the father. So to determine whether the 10th house is mother or father, it will depend on the person and the influence their parent had.

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V interesting triplecancer because all my kids don't really have a father in their life and my father is not really in my life.

I just find it so weird that i rectified my chart to 13' sag MC and then checked my kids birth times to it and found they all correlated!

posted February 13, 2010 06:49 PM         

I never knew my father......so yeah he was hidden.....but my Sun in Scorpio with strong transneptunian aspects can easily reflect that.

I was raised by my mother and stepfather. Both of them were strong parental influences and shaped my life for better or worse.

my opposition also complicates matters

Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 4th oppose retrograde Saturn in Gemini 10th can easily apply to both parents

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 13, 2010 07:00 PM         

conjunctions to the MC could be a strong soul connection

Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers find them to be highly important in synastry compared to mainstream astrologers

This is what

Reinhold Ebertin wrote for the conjunction aspects in his book, COSMIC MARRIAGE

Sun:MC
+C Joint aims in life, a relationship combining body and soul

Mercury:MC
+C Mutual understanding, meaning much to each other, joint delving into problems

Pluto:MC
-C One would like to misuse the other for his own ends, severe crises in life

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 13, 2010 07:08 PM         

My Jupiter in 8'16 Sagittarius squares my mom's Midheaven in 8'56 Pisces which is the sign placement of the moon of her father,my father,and myself.

according to COSMIC MARRIAGE

Jupiter:MC
- Fluctuating happiness. (Opposition is not unfavorable)

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 13, 2010 07:14 PM         

so in theory, for a woman about to give birth, planets conjuncting the MC exact would be an important indicator or childbirth.., or just an important moment in her life (such as child birth).

posted February 13, 2010 07:24 PM         

so in theory, for a woman about to give birth, planets conjuncting the MC exact would be an important indicator or childbirth.., or just an important moment in her life (such as child birth)."

Yes

but it doesn't have to be a conjunction
like it was square with my mother and me......my Jupiter square my Mom's Midheaven.

"Lets face it, there isn't any greater event really is there"

Yeah....I agree. It's not necessarily the happiest event though. My mom never knew her biological mother who never wanted my mom. She tried to give her up for adoption, but my grandfather kept my mom. She already had a daughter,and so he married my grandfather so she would get money to take care of her. My mother was not part of the plan that she had, and so she wanted to break up from my grandfather who was in Korea when my mom was born. He was in the Marines.

I checked any possible aspects to my grandmother's Midheaven from my mother's chart

My Mom's retrograde Saturn in 3'04 Scorpio
square my grandmother's Midheaven in 2'39 Aquarius

according to COSMIC MARRIAGE

Saturn:MC
-C Suffering because of the other, one oppresses the other

Damn.....no wonder my grandmother didn't want my mom!

my mother's IC is in Virgo which is the sign of her mother's Moon,her stepmother's and a paternal half brother's Sun, my Ascendant

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"