posted February 15, 2010 01:29 PM         

The future director,secretary of my future nonprofit neurodiveristy organization who is a grad student, behavior analyst,and a future consultant to my organization,and agreed to create my website doesn't share my beliefs in Astrology nor anything metaphysical. He sees them as B.S. He looks at me like somebody who is being hurt by astrology even though it's something that I am passionate about. It's something that I feel that I am very good at doing, and people have told me that too including telling me that I should charge.

The whole of Developmental Neurodiversity Association (DNA) is that I want to help indigo,crystal children which are mainly metaphysically oriented types with many that fall under these what I feel are unnecessry labels which are the social model type issues which he even brought up. If the organization helps genetic neurodivergents which are the ones that have pronounced strengths and not just pronounced weaknesses with learning,neurological processes that don't fit mainstream classroom, then that would pretty much cover those indigo,crystal types who are extremely sensitive,divergent in multiple areas.
My belief is that the more sensitive they are, the more "severe" they tend to be. In my case, I got misplaced with the mentally retarded in 1st grade because of my severe dyslexia,dyspraxia. It wasn't until I had developed some language skills because of speech therapy and demonstrated strong visual spatial skills, I was realized to have above average intelligence and that I didn't belong in that special ed classroom, and so I was taken another school to be in a special education classroom for students with learning differences. I greatly benefited from early intervention, and so the special education was a mixed blessing.

I just don't feel right with this guy even though he wants to help ND and is ND himself as he told me that he was diagnosed as having ADHD and medicated with Ritalin in childhood,but he believes that he has Aspergers. He doesn't want to help metaphysically oriented types.
He doesn't believe in any of that stuff.

Frome what I see,neurodivergence and metaphysically oriented types they are strongly connected. The symptoms of neurodivergence and schizophrenia overlap. Half of schizophrenics have history of developmental issues like speech/language delays/problems and motor skills/coordination delays/problems
For all we know, many of the schizophrenics can be metaphysically oriented types, but they are either misunderstood by skeptics or have serious psychic boundary issues or both. I strongly believe that too many neurodivergents are being misdiagnosed as having psychotic disorders which even included me and my biological father as well as so many other people.

He just made me feel uneasy, telling me to prove astrology to him and to convince him.

I didn't want to do that. I don't want to prove astrology nor convince anybody about astrology working. I don't feel the need to. I used to, when I recently got into it, and it was because it was a newfound interest,passion.

I took it personally when they thought Astrology was B.S., then they saw me as being stupid. You know that I don't like being viewed as stupid
I did get told that I was stupid and treated that way because of my belief in Astrology even by some people in the metaphysical field. That included people who were into magick.
Do they even have room to talk. They believe in controlling the forces of nature. Shrinks would think that they are more delusional than I am.

I don't feel that he is the right fit for the ND organization, but I don't feel that it's fair to dismiss him for not sharing my views. That would make me look narrowminded and like I am discriminating. My discussion with him yesterday bothered me the whole last night and even today. I feel lot of conflict in me....the conflict of being a neurodiversity advocate and being an astrologer.

I showed him the link to the Holistic Healing Expo, and he referred to it as being too hippy.
He even made a remark about bombing the expo. He didn't mean it,but just made his strong dislike for metaphysical stuff known. He is a very skeptical type of person,and he even said so. He said that he is open though. I don't know. I don't feel comfortable with a future fellow director and officer of my neurodiversity organization that I am misguided,gullible,and hurt by my metaphysical interests. If I become a professional astrologer, he is going to see me as being fraudulent,delusional,ripping people off, taking advantage of people's gullibility,and misguiding others. I feel that's the reason why I haven't become a professional astrologer even though I have been doing it for over 11 years. I also can't help feeling stress of having to separate my neurodiversity advocacy and metaphysical interests which I intend to do. I am afraid to be looked down by others in the neurodiversity for my metaphysical interests. I don't want my neurodiversity advocacy to be dismissed because of my metaphysical interests.

I really need your help and insight. I rarely ask for any astrological insight. When I do, it's about my mother or wanting to know about relationships between my mom's parents. Therefore, this is a situation that I really need help in. I appreciate all the help that I can get. I don't care what astrology method that you use.
Heck. I will even put up the chart using the Placidus house system.

What really stood out was some of the asteroids

My Mercury oppose his Chiron under half a degree which can indicate that I can feel intellectually inadequate with him, and there can be wounding in communications. It could also fit with the special education connection.

On a hunch, I checked the asteroid, Hygeia which is the asteroid named after the Greek Goddess of health, to see if his making stressful connections to my personal planets. It seems to relate to health matters. It's one of the big asteroids too. It was one of the objects that was going to be included as a new planet in the planetary proposal that got rejected.

His Hygeia conjuncts my Saturn,closely squares my Moon (my hunch was right), and opposes my Neptune. So he aspects my t-square. It indicates conflict involving health matters. He activates my emotional conflict of skepticism versus metaphysical with his own skepticism of the metaphysical and viewing me as being misguided and hurt by it. His Hygeia closely conjunct trine my Pallas trine Vesta which indicates a good connection involve service and creative ideas which would fit with him working
for me in the neurodiversity organization.

My Sun-true Black Moon Lilith conjunction in Scorpio and his Pallas in Taurus are in close opposition to each other, and I can't help think that this is also an indicator of his skeptical view about my metaphysical interest which can lead to conflict between us.

My Sun trine his Ceres seems like a caring connection.

My Juno is closely conjunct his Saturn,and that seems like the possibility of a restrictive partnership even though there can be stability and structure.

His Juno-Jupiter conjunct my Ascendant seems like it would be good for an expansive partnership.

as for the regular stuff

His Venus squares my Uranus which seems like an unstable connection for partnership. He can get the impression that I am too crazy. My Venus is almost exactly conjunct his Uranus which also can be an unstable connection for partnership, but it also can be the connection that we have in regards to both of us being different from the norm.

Ours Mars are in closely trine to each other, and so our assertive styles are in harmony. That good be good for working together.

His Mercury opposes my Mars,and that could indicate communication conflict that include debate that can be uneasy. I have experienced that already with him.

I can't overlook his Sun in Virgo oppose my Moon in Pisces and squares my Neptune for a t-square. That alone could indicate the issues of the issues of the critical thinking versus metaphysical.

any ways.....I'd appreciate any insignts

Thanks

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 15, 2010 02:18 PM         

I think the only way you two could be working for each other is if BOTH of you could accept and respect the other`s different point of view. Which means he has to accept that you are metaphysically inclined, even though he is not.

But if these viewpoints clash too radically, I actually do not see a way how it could work. Sorry, Raymond.
But I really feel you should not compromise your beliefs.

posted February 15, 2010 05:47 PM         

I see him taking over the nonprofit organization that you began.. after publicly ridiculing you.

It's simply - NOT ON at all - for him to patronize or make you feel stupid for your beliefs.

Even if he is intelligent and even if his work may help, I simply wouldn't count on this person being trustworthy.. and I'd never employ him. I find his reaction extremely immature.

Why doesn't he read up on astrology - learn more about it on his own.. and after he actually *knows* what it is about.. why doesn't he come up with a good attack?

Why should you prove it... I think it's ball in his court to disprove it.
Who is going to be working for whom in this association?

posted February 15, 2010 06:05 PM         

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if you can come to a agreement on certain things, you can come up with a division of duties that allows enough freedom where you aren't stepping on each others toes.

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If he was a reasonable person I'd agree.

But he's already "attacking" and this is early days! He DID step on G's toes & wasn't polite about it either. That makes him seem highly untrustworthy from my perspective. I agree with Lara - there's a *motive*.

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He sees them as B.S. He looks at me like somebody who is being hurt by astrology even though it's something that I am passionate about.

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G - That's an attack on your judgment and beliefs..
It is being patronizing and it is "assuming" that he knows better/best!
So what else is he going to have this attitude towards?
You haven't even started this.. How many things are going to end in him saying "Glaucus, you're just being naive.. We can't do this or that."

Why would you want to have someone working for you - who has the brain of a child but the audacity to treat you like "you're" the "child"?

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I don't feel comfortable with a future fellow director and officer of my neurodiversity organization that I am misguided,gullible,and hurt by my metaphysical interests. If I become a professional astrologer, he is going to see me as being fraudulent,delusional,ripping people off, taking advantage of people's gullibility,and misguiding others.

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It is true that some people actually find this "fraudulent". That's correct.

But in the case of this *particular* guy, I believe it's much more likely that he'd envy the amount of money you were making.. and be-grudge you for not being able to do the same thing himself.

Further - he'd hide this ^ under the socially acceptable banner of "oh you're just a fraudulent astrologer"..

posted February 15, 2010 06:40 PM         

I also don't intend on including anything metaphysical in the organization. I'd rather separate my neurodiversity advocacy from my metaphysical interests. That's been the original plan,and I am sticking to it. My approach is just going to be practical and liberal. It will be advocating for tolerance,acceptance of diversity for neurological differences. It will be about helping raising awareness and understanding about them that involves psychiatry and education a big deal such as differentiating neurodivergence from psychiatric disorders and the intellectually handicapped. I want the organization to be accepted by the mainstream.

the organization will be similar to United Kingdom's Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Association DANDA but for all ages because I want to help children and teenagers too.
http://danda.org.uk/

I forgot to include

that I am not using a birthtime for him

I am sorry about that

Please keep the judgments about the guy to a minimum. I just want to get some astrological insights. He's only expressed his views. He didn't try to make me feel bad in any way. He was just giving his alternative viewpoints about things. I even told him that I respect,accept,and tolerate his views. I even said that I would rather agree to disagree, but I find him a bit intellectually overwhelming for me when we discuss things on this matter.

He is just not into "New Age" stuff. I see nothing wrong with that.

but we are both into helping people whose neurological makeup don't fit the norm.

People with different views can work together and reach a compromise like Republicans and Democrats working together in bipartisanship.

I also want to point out that
I value critical thinking just as much as metaphysical thinking. I do have both a skeptical and metaphysical side. I also believe that James Randi has done some good,exposing frauds,and demonstrating how to duplicate things that some people think is paranormal like bending spoons.

I have a Mercury-Venus-Neptune parallel, but it contraparallels Saturn.
I have Saturn oppose Jupiter-Neptune , with the Moon squaring that
I have Pallas-Saturn conjunction,and Neptune is in opposition to it, with Moon squaring it

I also Saturn in one of the primary Gauquelin sectors which was said to be found common in scientists.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 15, 2010 09:14 PM         

Sorry, R, but I'm going with Vapor and the others who feel that he and you may not be the best fit. Not based on astrological analysis, but based on what seems to be your "gut feeling" that you're trying so hard to push down. If I'm being presumptuous or reading too much into this, then I'm sorry, because I don't "know" you, I only know what I've read from your prolific posting, which I enjoy so much.

Why did you start your post by stating you are confused? Isn't that your intuition versus your rational mind? Isn't intuition valuable to you, given your placements?

posted February 15, 2010 10:25 PM         

I have to echo CrabbyPatty here.

Notice how you even separate your first sentence away from everything else in your first post. That's quite powerful. You are confused. His Sun exactly squares your Neptune. That would be enough for me. I can't get anything done when I'm confused. You're already feeling as if he could deceive you, Neptune rules deception.

He has already ridiculed your esoteric interests, that's the strong tension of the square aspect. He shining negative sunlight on your esoteric sensibilities.

posted February 16, 2010 02:40 AM         

If your getting a bad feelings about him and having it confirmed by his douchebaggery then you gotta get him out! out! out! Quite simply, he's a DOUCHEbag and a d!ck.

posted February 16, 2010 02:48 PM         

He only agreed to be one of my directors and officers of my organization and to be a business consultant to it.

btw.....this is his meetup group:

He created and organizes
Sacramento Autism Spectrum & Special Needs Meetup Group

Support and activities focused on ASD and special needs kids

Meetup topics
Autism, Asperger's and PDD-NOS, Autism, Special Needs Children, Autism and ADD/ADHD, ADHD, PDD-NOS, Sensory Integration Dysfunction, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Special Education, Learning Disability, Parenting & Family, Playgroup, Parents of Special Needs Kids, Asperger's Syndrome, Attention Deficit Disorder

This is a support group for parents with behavioral concerns regarding their children affected by Autism, Aspergers, ADD/ADHD, Sensory Integration Dysfunction, Pervasive Oppositional Disorder, and related disorders.

We will address concerns regarding all aspects of raising a child with special needs including treatments, education, advocacy/legal issues, behavior, and many other things.
http://www.meetup.com/sacramento-autism-and-special-needs/

He is not a bad person. He just has different views from me. I don't want to discriminate against him because of those views. I don't want to be prejudiced.

A lot of times, we humans have prejudices that influence how we view people based on our biases,experiences,and what we think is right and wrong.

I try to keep that into consideration.

there are lot of of neurodivergents that don't believe in Astrology and other related subjects and look down on those things.

I have experienced things from people that are into metaphysical things that have look down on people with neurodivergence. I even felt discriminated against by Alois Triendl from astrodeinst site. I felt that I was subject to prejudice and discrimination.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 16, 2010 03:33 PM         

I just need 2 people to be my fellow directors and officers of my organization.

I feel that I am bound to have people that are interested because I feel that what I am doing is a great cause and is strongly needed.

I am considering asking the mother of a severely autistic adult to be a director and officer. She wants to open up a school for autism because she believes that schools don't know how to teach autistics. She has hair product store in my neighborhood. I have known her and her husband since 2000. They are a black couple,and so their child is black. There are issues with how black autistics are being treated too.

I am also going to attend Holistic Healing Expo here in Sacramento on the 21st of this month. http://www.holisticlivingexpo.com/sacramento2-21-10.php

I intend on distributing cards and flyers at the festival for my neurodiversity meetup group. I am going to talk to them about my plans on forming a nonprofit neurodiversity organization. I could end up meeting my future directors,officers there.

I have considered options.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 16, 2010 05:01 PM         

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I don't want to discriminate against him because of those views. I don't want to be prejudiced.

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Glaucus - Is it morally wrong in your book to be discriminatory *towards* discrimination?

The problem is this particular sentence: "He looks at me like somebody who is being hurt by astrology"

Because that's taking his views *further* into being patronizing towards you.

posted February 16, 2010 06:28 PM         

Some people believe that people are hurt by Scientology which is widely viewed as a cult.

Scientology is controversial like Astrology is.

Look at Tom Cruise for example

He is a person who was diagnosed as having Dyslexia and even recommended to be on medication for hyperactivity as a child. Dyslexia and ADHD have considerable overlap. His mother was a special education teacher.
I can understand why he is go against children being on medication for not fitting inside the box. They tried to do that to him.

He got criticized by International Dyslexia Association because he claimed that Scientology helped him cure his Dyslexia. http://www.starswelove.com/scriptsphp/news.php?newsid=3267

I read other things by people that he didn't have Dyslexia because his problems went away with scientology and that he was really faking it.

But he might not be so far fetched. I don't like the word, "cure" because I don't believe that Dyslexia is a disease. I believe that it's just a different way of thinking,learning,and being. I just believe that it's just a variation of the human condition that gets seen as disorder in the social construct of things. I believe that the weaknesses of Dyslexia can be corrected from special education therapies just like mine was. Of course, I still have issues that are mild,subtle. The same with my Dyspraxia. As far as my ADHD, I don't even view it as a disorder. It's just be being a novelty seeker, probably having the DRD4 7R gene. Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD are just disorders from the social construct view of things in my opinion. Homosexuality used to be viewed the same way.

but any ways, I read the following in regards to Scientology:

Courses often require students to use clay to make models of basic and complex educational concepts. Likewise, if a student expresses confusion or a lack of understanding on a certain subject, teachers will often instruct the student to make a "clay demo". This focus on the "clay table" is a trademark of Scientology schools. http://www.exscientologykids.org/schools.html

but the use of clay is also part of the Davis method created by Ron Davis who has Autism and Dyslexia. He has a huge organization. Davis services in more than 40 nations.
http://www.dyslexia.com/library/davismethods.htm

The words that cause the most confusion for dyslexics are common words, such as it or from. Often a student will easily read a longer word in a story, such as crocodile, but hesitate or stumble over a word like the. Because these words lead to disorientation, we call them trigger words.

This is because the dyslexic student thinks with pictures. It is easy to envision a crocodile in one’s mind, but very difficult to imagine an 'of' or a 'this'.

We resolve this problem through a process called Davis Symbol Mastery. After looking up a word in a dictionary and discussing a definition with a helper, the student models an object or set of objects which accurately represents the meaning of the word, as well as the letters of the word in clay. This process goes far beyond the multi-sensory and phonemic awareness strategies that are recommended for dyslexic learners. It engages the creative process and establishes a lasting mental image for a specific word and series of letters. It produces comprehension and long term retention of the spelling and meaning of a word without the need for phonetic decoding or memorization. It stops the word from causing any future disorientations. http://www.dyslexia.com/library/davismethods.htm

Seeing how Scientology education methods and Ron Davis methods are similar, it's not far-fetched that Tom Cruise's Dyslexic weaknesses were corrected by Scientology's education methods like many Dyslexics' weaknesses were corrected from Ron Davis' methods. It makes me wonder who copied from whom. Ron Davis' correction methods are viewed as controversial by International Dyslexia Association. Dr. Harold N. Levinson's cerebellar-vestibular dysfunction theories,methods,treatments are viewed as controversial by the organization too. Look how Astrology is controversial in society. If I was doing astrological research on neurodivergence in Astrology, and I talked about transneptunian objects are prominent in people with neurodivergence including myself, I'd get severely criticized by International Dyslexia Association and other neurodivergence advocacy organizations too. I'd get seen as controversial and crazy like Tom Cruise. BTW. Tom Cruise has Sun square Eris which reflects his controversial nature. I have Sun oppose/conjunct the Eris Nodes (both heliocentric and geocentric)which reflect my own potentially controversial nature. Controversial is relative, depending on the perceptions of how a person is viewed. If voiced my astrological neurodivergence findings at some New Age conference, I am more likely to be respected compared to if I voiced my findings at a learning disability conference.

here is an atheism blog about Tom Cruise about being psychic http://atheism.about.com/b/2003/11/01/tom-cruise-super-psychic.htm

but the guy has grand water trine of Sun in Cancer, Jupiter in Pisces,and Neptune in Cancer which might be a configuration that reflected with his religious nature which included his wanting to be a Franciscan monk in the past and his Scientology views as well as strong transneptunian with that Sun square Eris.

but a lot of atheists don't believe in Astrology nor anything else metaphysical.

They would diss both Astrology and Scientology.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 19, 2010 09:36 PM         

THE DAY OF THE HOLISTIC HEALING EXPO
February 21, 2010

keywords from Noel Tyl’s SYNTHESIS AND COUNSELING IN ASTROLOGY

TRANSITS

TR Sun conjunct NA Moon -
male and female
illuminated achievements, needs, and sensitivities;highlighted relationships, seeing the light..sensitivity to need-fulfillment; female influence
TR Sun trine NA Sun - illumination, highlighting
TR Sun square NA Saturn - illumination of ambition; testing if one is on the right track; awareness of responsibility;importance of the father. the sense of difficulty, overwork depletion, confinement, discipline; the fear of loss;"aloneness", possibility grief

TR Venus oppose NA Asc -
niceness;being appreciated

TR Mars trine NA Neptune -
inspiration;imagination made applicable;personal magnetism

TR Jupiter square NA Jupiter - expansion, optimism
TR Jupiter square NA Moon/Asc -
expansive confidence;gregariousness;largesse;publicity
TR Jupiter square NA Saturn/MC -
doing things right, the way they are expected to be done; keeping things as they are; or changing things to how they should be done for maximum security

TR Jupiter = NA Jupiter = NA Moon/Asc = Saturn/MC

TR Neptune oppose NA Mercury/Saturn -
depression;a sad spirit looking for a ray of hope

TR Neptune square NA Venus/Neptune -
love in a swoon;imaginings;artistic ideas;potential deluson in love;feeling unrequited;creative outlets

TR Neptune square NA Node/Asc -
making relationships with others through sensitivities and even interests in the paranormal;impressionability

TR Neptune = NA Mercury/Saturn = Venus/Neptune = Node/Asc

TR Node conjunct NA Moon/Jupiter -
sociability;successful contacts

TR Pluto sextile NA Sun -
illumination of power needs; the need to control; new perspectives; powerful force creates major change in the life; identity change; sudden prominence;exhibitionism

SOLAR ARCS

Moon square Moon/Venus -
love and sensitivity;grace;good social reception;cooperation

Venus square Pluto - Grace is brought to power;improved acceptance for the indomitable, intensification of love desires;affairs, compulsiveness;wasting emotions
Venus conjunct Sun/Mars -
feelings of love;sex;conception;birthing
Venus conjunct Venus/Node -
nice meeting with someone;romantic contact, contact with someone or an event in the arts;cultural;get-togethers;romance;emotional meetings

SA Venus = NA Pluto = Sun/Mars = Venus/Node

SA Mars square NA Sun/Moon -
energy helping or upsetting relationship;serval awareness in partnership;drive for fulfillment

SA Jupiter conjunct NA Moon/Neptune -
grand imaginings and plans;artistic interests and success

SA Jupiter square NA Venus/Asc -
enthusiasm galore; a show of luxury

SA Jupiter conjunct NA Mars/Jupiter -
a fortunate course of action;clearing the air; successful creative activity; tremendous energy;enterprise;making things happen in a big way;"making waves" effectively

SA Saturn oppose NA Mars/Neptune -
being taken advantage of; reticence;the sense of futility;persevering in spite of fear

SA Neptune conjunct NA Moon/Mercury -
an active imagination;reverie;hypersentience;falsehood

SA Asc conjunct NA Neptune/Asc -
high sensitivity, impressionability; spiritual projection;loss of ego; gaining acceptance for one’s specialness

SA MC oppose NA Moon/Jupiter -
popularity;confidence;possible religious significances;good fortune, especially through a female.

TR Node = SA MC = NA Jupiter

SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS

SP Asc conjunct Natal Sun/Pluto -
enormous power projection;being forced to fight

SP Asc oppose Natal Mars/MC -
confidence;projection of sureness and pizazz

SP Asc = NA Sun/Pluto = Mars/MC

SP Mars trine NA Mercury -
nervous drive;energized thinking;making plans

SP Moon sextile NA Midheaven -
one’s strongest needs are out in the open, ego-consciousness alerts all one’s senses

I checked out the equatorial coordinates that astronomers use

applying only

Right Ascension and Declination

Right Ascension:

TR Sun square NA Jupiter -
Recognition;success, feeling great; being rewarded; success, a great vacation

TR Venus trine NA Mercury - idealization;thoughts of love; romanticizing

TR Mars square NA Sun -
energy applied directly, naturally, vigorously; feeling attacked; possible accident; intensified sex drive

TR Neptune conj NA Mars - inspiration; imagination made applicable; personal magnetism; change of course of action due to dissatisfaction; going to where the grass seems greener;losing focus

Declination:

TR Pluto parallel NA Venus - grace is brought to power;improved acceptance for the indomitable; intensification of love desires; compulsiveness; wasting emotions

Overall , it seems like a day of interacting, socializing, and getting noticed. I am going to distribute my neurodiversity meetup group cards and fliers at the Holistic Healing Expo. I plan on talking about my plans about the nonprofit neurodiversity organization. Hopefully, I will find new members for the meetup group and even directors for the nonprofit organization.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"