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bonadea33
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posted February 18, 2010 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
I have read again one book, this time from Mary, the sister of Anne Boleyn. She writes there that she was lover from Henry VIII and had two children with him. As I don't read all the book, I know that Anne took the son from Mary and finally has married Henry VIII.
Henry loved very much his wife, Catherine but they didn't get a son.
In the Biography about him, he also loved Jane Seymour, but there is no hour of birth for Jane.

Synastry Chart: Catherine and Henry VIII

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DiandraReborn25
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posted February 18, 2010 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
Bonadea

Jane Seynour and Henry are my favorite couple in History!

i searched for JaneĀ“s birth date but due to the lack of information i couldnt do the sinastry

Henry loved Catherine dearly and he respected her a lot...i guess that Anne was a karmic relationship for Henry and that was why he left Catherine for Anne.

but the true love of his i believe it was Jane Seymour really.

it is interesting that with cATHERINE there was that saturn cj venus/juno - a relationship that was very binding but also to do with responsability.

mars-eros seemed juicy.

isis-asc:i love this also.

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posted February 18, 2010 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Are you talking about The Other Boleyn girl?

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Lara
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posted February 18, 2010 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
hmmm

Katherine Parr loved him dearly and i have reason to believe he also loved her dearly lol

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StarrofVenusGirl
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posted February 18, 2010 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Man I wish history would reveal Anne's birth data...I have a feeling that synastry would be something to see.

The Moon/DSC conjunction is pretty awesome. Poor Catherine's 5th house is barren except her Karma is there. Interesting that Henry's has Uranus. Henry's Chiron also falls in her 7th house.

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posted February 18, 2010 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat Face     Edit/Delete Message
1. Before Anne, Mary was Henry's mistress for a time. The son she had with her husband was said to be Henry's, but most historians dismiss it as gossip.
2. Whatever love he did have for Catherine vanished when she couldn't give him a healthy son. If not a miscarriage or stillbirth, all the sons they had died shortly after being born. He came to believe their marriage was cursed (incestuous) and divorced her, breaking from Rome in the process. He and Anne actually rejoiced on the day of her death!
3. Catherine Parr was in love with Thomas Seymour (Jane's brother), so she no doubt felt forced marrying Henry.
Jane was the favorite of course because she gave him a son. He regarded her as his 'true wife' and is buried next to her...

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posted February 18, 2010 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I would say all 3 relationships were karmic just for the fact that they all resulted in children.

Catherine of Aragon was the mother of Henry's daughter, Mary

Anne Boleyn was the mother of Henry's daughter, Elizabeth

Jane Seymour was the mother of Henry's only son, Edward.


Edward succeeded Henry, but he died young. Mary succeeded him, and she persected the Protestants earning her the name "Bloody Mary." She even imprisoned her sister,Elizabeth. After Mary died, Elizabeth became queen. Queen Elizabeth reigned for a long time.


in a way, Anne Boleyn got the last laugh for it was her daughter who reigned much longer than both Edward and Mary as well as made history as one of the greatest monarchs.

so yeah, it seemed like there was a great karmic purpose for Anne and Henry. It was to produce a long reigning,historical monarch.


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DD
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posted February 19, 2010 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I think noone of us is really in a position to know whom Henry really loved.
My instinctive feeling of him was (and I am in no position to know that either), that the one person he loved most was himself.

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Lara
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posted February 19, 2010 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Henry VIII and Katherine Parr had a fairly forced marriage, although to give Katherine some credit she did love and compassionately care for Henry until his death.

Henry was not such a beast. He was just a typical cancer/Aries bloke! He was a very generous man and gave credit where credit was due.

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posted February 19, 2010 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat Face     Edit/Delete Message
Whatever the case... I'd be *very* afraid if he cast his eye on me.

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bonadea33
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posted February 20, 2010 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi,

That book wrote Mary Boleyn, sister of Anne. She was mistress from Henry and gave him two children: Catherine and Henry. I didn't see anywhere anything about that.

About Anne: she was fighting to be Henry's wife but didn't sleep with him until marriage. She had very hard time to get married because there was really "war" for Henry to get divorced from Catherine of Aragon. He was waiting decision from the Pope and that has lasted for long time. In the book is still Henry with Catherine and Anne had her own palace in-between, waiting for the marriage. She also has adopted Mary's son Henry.
The last pages (in the book) were for Christmas, 1529.
I have read elsewhere that Henry after death of Jane Seymour didn't marry for two years: so much he loved her.

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Astra
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posted February 20, 2010 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
Anne Boleyn's alleged birth data: http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/fCQK52yb6s2x.htm

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DiandraReborn25
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posted February 21, 2010 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
i dont know if it is cause i see JOnathan meyers as hENRY BUT...HIHIHI

i do feel sad that he only was loved and was happy with Jane and then she died...even if it was also a part cause of the heir,i do believe they had a very loving thing between each other.

i look at Kings and see how lonely and lost ehy might feel sometimes...everyone around them wanting something out from him,and having so much responsabilities and having decisions everyday that costs lifes and kingdoms and who knows what else...he just wanted what we wanted too:To love and be loved...he used sex as a way to fulfill his need of being nurished and cared for...he was a cancer afterall...and look at his pisces dsc...he was much more sensible and generous that what we might think.

DD

yes,nobody knew Henry really...but looking at his chart,with his venus/pf in gem,stellium in Sag...it was difficult for him to be a Kinf...felt very imprisioned probably and never had the freedom to do or think as a free man would be able to do.

all the Kings wanted an heir.it was one of their most important obligations.i dont agree the way he treated Catherine,but he was already under Ann“s "curse"..he was a man that acted by his carnal needs afterall...and Ann knew the way to maintain his interest.

Actually after Jane“s death he weared mouring clothers for 3 years and only after it,he thought to marry.after Jane“s death he locked himself many time to mourn and grieve...it was the only time he did that to a wife...i think that it shows how much he really loved her....it is when we lose someone,that we know how much the person was important ..in his case...it was.

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bonadea33
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posted February 21, 2010 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Here is Synastry (without Asteroids);

Anne Boleyn and Henry VIII:

It is very good Chart. On the first sight there is double connection between Jupiter and Saturn, what is very important.

Reading the book I had feeling that she wanted only to be Queen and nothing more.

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