posted February 27, 2010 12:44 AM         

Whether it's true or not, I don't agree with the astrologers parameters to set up the chart. The astrologer makes it strictly an American event instead of an event for mankind. Just becuase the U.S. initiated it doesn't mean that it was only an American event. Not only that, the astrologer sets up the chart for Washington, DC just because the President addressed the astronauts from there (oh, and because it's the American capital) when they left from Florida and the whole event was being controlled between Florida and Texas.

Also, it's great to be able to make an attempt at making a chart for the event from an earthly perspective but it happened on the Moon. Perhaps the astrologer should cast the chart from the perspective of the Moon. It can be done.

And what does the Moon symbolize in this chart? It rules the 5th House so how does that translate to being a lie or an illusion because Lilith squares the Moon? I suppose it could be that the 7th House is one of the publicity houses and the Moon residing there being squared by Lilith could be part of it, but the astrologer explains none of this. I also don't believe it's enough to suggest the event was a fraud or that Neil Armstrong's career is based on Fraud.

posted February 27, 2010 01:31 AM         

Lilith doesn't have to symbolize falsehood or dirty tricks. I don't even see the lilith story in that way at all. Lilith is more about being SUBVERSIVE (relating to gender/sexual taboos) than trickery, in fact I've never ever read a lilith description that said that.

NEPTUNE is illusions.

posted February 27, 2010 02:34 AM         

I dont believe they did it. They would've done it again and again by now after technology advanced even more.

posted February 28, 2010 05:34 PM         

A friend of mine (his late father) was involved in the project on a level having to do with the radio waves as a natural resource and was a consultant to POTUS at the time. My friend inherited "a ton" of additional pictures from the landing that were not released to the general public. I've seen them and they are incredible yet boring because it's all close up shots of the surface of the Moon and no normal person would be excited by these. Also, the original photos were taken with a Hasselblad stereo camera using 70mm Kodak Ektachrome EF film. All the photos were meant to be much larger than any of us have actually viewed them and I can imagine that they would look different than they are supposed to look at the actual size (which I just learned is about 18 feet high).

The photos I've seen were all 8x10 lithographs of the astronauts and rocks and dust. Lots and lots of photos of rocks. His father had notes for each photo that was droned on about rocks and possible properties, etc.

posted February 28, 2010 05:41 PM         

I agree with you.

I think it's narrowminded and even sexist view of Lilith

I have Sun conjunct true Black Moon Lilith in Scorpio in 2nd with 22 minutes of arc.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 28, 2010 07:27 PM         

A few Lexigrams concerning it all.

Astronaut Neil Alden Armstrong
(OR
"Commander Neil Armstrong")

MAN GOES TO MOON AND AS ONE MAN ALONE, ARMSTRONG TREAD ON IT AT MOON LANDING SITE AS AN "EAGLE" SET MEN ON MOON.

UPDATE!
Another version:

THE APOLLO COMMANDER NEIL ALDEN ARMSTRONG
(OR...THE APOLLO ELEVEN COMMANDER NEIL ALDEN ARMSTRONG, however eleven is not needed for this Lexigram)

"THE EAGLE HAS LANDED!"
MAN GOES TO MOON.
THREE SPACEMEN GO TO MOON,
AND AS ONE MAN ALONE,
ARMSTRONG TREAD ON IT AT
MOON LANDING SITE,
AS AN EAGLE LANDED
AND SET MEN ON MOON,
APOLLO COMMANDER
NEIL ARMSTRONG,
SAID ALMOST THIS:

"ONE LONE MAN'S SMALL STEP IS
ONE GIANT LEAP
TO ALL MEN ON PLANET TERRA"

ARMSTRONG IS ALSO A LEO
AND AN OHIOAN MAN.
ARMSTRONG IS ALSO RETIRED.

The phrase he actually said was:
"That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind"

Which is almost found from the phrase:
THE APOLLO COMMANDER NEIL ALDEN ARMSTRONG.

"That's one small step (f)or a man, one giant leap (f)or man(k)ind"

**************************
I was intending to Lexigram Buzz Aldrin's name, but came across his mother's name and saw it yielded some intriguing phrases.
See the relevant background information after
the Lexigram of her name.

Marion Gladys Moon Aldrin

Now for the Lexigram with background

information in quotes.

Marion Gladys Moon Aldrin

MY ONLY SON IS NO LIAR!
NOR IS MY SON A LOONY!
NOR IS MOON LANDING IMAGINARY!

MY DARLING, DARING SON,
AN AIRMAN,

quote:

---

Buzz Aldrin (born Edwin Eugene

Aldrin, Jr., January 20, 1930 in Glen

Ridge, New Jersey) is an American

aviator and astronaut, who was the

Lunar Module Pilot on Apollo 11, the

first lunar landing. He was the

second person to set foot on the

Moon, after Mission Commander Neil

Armstrong.

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A MORAL MAN,
AND ALSO A MILD MAN,
DID LAND ON MOON!
ON GRAY MOON SOIL,
A DAY ON MOON MY SON DID!
MY SON RAN ON MOON!
MY SON DID DIG ON MOON!

quote:

---

Six hours after landing at

4:17 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time (with

less than 30 seconds of fuel

remaining), Neil A. Armstrong took

the “Small Step” into our greater

future when he stepped off the Lunar

Module, named “Eagle,” onto the

surface of the Moon, from which he

could look up and see Earth in the

heavens as no one had done before

him.

He was shortly joined by “Buzz”

Aldrin, and the two astronauts spent

21 hours on the lunar surface and

returned 46 pounds of lunar rocks.

---

MY DAD IS NO LAYMAN.

quote:

---

[quote]Buzz Aldrin was born in

Montclair, New Jersey on January 20,

1930.
His mother, Marion Gladdys Moon, was

the daughter of an Army Chaplain.

---

NOR IS MY ONLY SON A LAYMAN.
MY SON IS A GODLY SON!

quote:

---

Aldrin: After we landed on the

moon, without making a big

announcement about it, I served

myself communion because I was an

elder in the Protestant church.

---

MY SON, ON RISING,
ON SOL DAY,
MY GOOD SON,
A GODLY SON,
ON SOL DAY MORNING
SAID ON RADIO,
"NO NOISY",
AND DID,
AS A SOLO GODLY MAN
AN ORIGINAL GLORY
ON MOON,
ON GOD'S ONLY SON,
ON MARY MADONNA'S SON.

A SMALL GRAIL,
A LORD GOD GLORY ORALLY
MY SON DID ON MOON!
ON SOL DAY,
ON GOD'S DAY.

quote:

---

Aldrin had brought with him a

tiny communion kit, given him by his

church,
that had a silver chalice and wine

vial about the size of the tip of his

finger.
During the morning he

radioed, "Houston, this is Eagle.

This is the LM pilot speaking.
I would like to request a few

moments of silence.
I would like to invite each person

listening in, whoever or wherever he

may be,
to contemplate for a moment the

events of the last few hours, and to

give thanks in his own individual

way."
"In the radio blackout," he wrote

later, "I opened the little plastic

packages which contained the bread

and the wine.
I poured the wine into the

chalice our church had given me.
In the one-sixth gravity of the moon,

the wine slowly curled and gracefully

came up the side of the cup.
Then I read the Scripture, 'I am the

vine, you are the branches. Whosoever

abides in me will bring forth much

fruit.'
I had intended to read my communion

passage back to earth,
but at the last minute Deke Slayton

had requested that I not do this.
NASA was already embroiled in a legal

battle with Madelyn Murray O'Hare,

the celebrated opponent of religion,
over the Apollo 8 crew reading from

Genesis while orbiting the moon at

Christmas.
I agreed reluctantly..." "Eagle's

metal body creaked. I ate the tiny

Host and swallowed the wine.
I gave thanks for the intelligence

and spirit that had brought two young

pilots to the Sea of Tranquility.
It was interesting for me to think:

the very first liquid ever poured on

the moon,
and the very first food eaten there,

were the communion

elements."

---

ALAS,
SADLY,
MANY A MAN DID DISDAIN MY SON,

quote:

---

he recieved ridicule once his

communion was made public

---

SAYING MY SON IS
A LOONY,
AN ODD MAD MAN,

quote:

---

The UFO and Apollo hoax

allegations

In 2005, while being interviewed for

a documentary titled First on the

Moon: The Untold Story, Aldrin told

an interviewer that they saw an

unidentified flying object.

---

quote:

---

On September 9, 2002,

filmmaker Bart Sibrel, a proponent of

the Apollo moon landing hoax

theory, confronted Aldrin outside

a Beverly Hills, California hotel.

Sibrel called Aldrin "a coward, a

liar, and a thief," saying "You're

the one who said you walked on the

moon and you didn't". Aldrin

punched Sibrel in the face. Beverly

Hills police and the city's

prosecutor declined to file charges.

Sibrel suffered no permanent

injuries.

---

quote:

---

Buzz Aldrin was called a liar

by those who believe the moon landing

was a hoax. He was also ridiculed for

claiming to have seen a UFO whilst

orbiting the moon.
More controversy about his being a

Christian and the communion he took

on the moon also ensued.

---

A DOGMAS' MAN,
IN DOING GLADLY
A GLORY ON GOD
AND GOD'S SON.
IN DOING A ROSARY..
AND SAYING,
A DOMINO GLORIOSO
ON MOON.

quote:

---

Aldrin is a Presbyterian, and

is known for his statements about

God.

---

NOR IS MY SON A GLORY ID MAN!

quote:

---

Much has been said about

Aldrin's desire at the time to be the

first astronaut to walk on the moon.

[6] Differing NASA accounts have it

that he had originally been proposed

as the first, but the configuration

of the lunar module was changed, or

that protocol demanded that the

commander (Armstrong) be the first.

(In addition, in a March 1969 meeting

between senior NASA personnel Deke

Slayton, George Low, Bob Gilruth, and

Chris Kraft, it was suggested that

Armstrong be the first partly because

Armstrong was seen as not having a

large ego.)

---

ADORINGLY, ADMIRINGLY,
I MAY ADD,
MY SON IS NO DISMAY.
MY SON IS ALSO A MASON.

quote:

---

Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin - Apollo

11 - First Mason on the Moon

On July 20th, 1969 Aldrin followed

Armstrong down the ladder to be the

second man on the moon because he was

farthest from the door of the Lunar

Module "Eagle". Aldrin was a member

of Montclair Lodge No. 144 of New

Jersey EDSEL

---

MY ONLY SON DID GO,
AND LAND ON MOON!
A DAY ON MOON MY SON DID!

posted March 01, 2010 08:16 AM         

but amowls, if you look at any other footage of space with the earth in it, it's ALWAYS MOVING!!!

Always. It spins... and all space footage has it moving in it. You can't stop it.

posted March 01, 2010 10:40 AM         

so, perhaps it's possible the movement of the earth
was not as perceptible from the Moon, which is relative to it...

Also, if what you are saying is true
wouldn't they have faked the spin, too?
I mean, they go to all that trouble,
and they want to get away with it, right?
You think they could fake an earth,
but couldnt fake a spinning earth?
Sounds like b*llsh*t to me.
Kubrick probably had it spinning
a year earlier in his Space Odyssey.

If it is an elaborate hoax,
wouldn't that be the easy part?

posted March 01, 2010 03:14 PM         

quote:

---

but amowls, if you look at any other footage of space with the earth in it, it's ALWAYS MOVING!!!

Always. It spins... and all space footage has it moving in it. You can't stop it.

---

footage of earth from space is taken by a satellite that is orbiting the earth so thats why the earth appears to be spinning, when in fact the object that is taking the pictures/video is moving around the earth itself lol.

posted March 01, 2010 05:17 PM         

here is the transcript: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106749753

quote:

---

That summary of human history, that must have been quite an awesome thing to have on your mind in the few years before the Apollo 11 mission. Feeling that in some ways, all of human progress was pointing to that moment and it was going to fall down to you and Neil Armstrong to take the next step.

Yeah. We were rather confident that unless something went wrong that we hadn't trained on, that we'd be able to carry out the mission, but we were just not positioning ourselves as a point in history.

You weren't thinking about it as history at that point?

Why would we be doing that before we go there? You just get over-awed, you set up a series of expectations, and you're bound to get disappointed one way or the other. Neil didn't even think of the words he was going to say on stepping on the moon until we were well into the mission. We were obsessed with doing the best that we possibly could so that we wouldn't be premature, celebrating, jumping up and down, and while doing that, trip over the wire that goes out to the TV camera that's recording all that we're doing. You can do some silly, clumsy things if you're daydreaming, or thinking of things premature.

---

he even went so far as to punch a dude for saying it was a hoax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin#Hoax_allegations

The second video is a joke as stated in the summary:

quote:

---

Intended as a joke!! By putting a funny side on the seriousness of the moon landing ......If you believe Apollo was a fake, can use this as a sample of what you thin...

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The flag ripple is explained on the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories

Animation of the two photos, showing that though Armstrong's camera moved between exposures, the flag is not waving.

posted March 01, 2010 08:02 PM         

9/11 was not a terrorist attack. the moon was a fake and i don't care about Obama as he's doing a sh1t job already!

posted March 01, 2010 08:22 PM         

quote:

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What do you think of this? ]http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/first-man-moon.php

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I think each of the people involved should just zip open and lay them on the table to check which is biggest.

I honestly don't care whether or not there was a man on the moon, so I don't want to buy into this "We were the first"-ego flattery. Or the following "We want our fifteen minutes in the spotlight by making a bold statement"-teenage frustration.

So, trousers down and lay them on the table!

As for solid evidence: I know a TV show isn't exactly evidence that holds up in court as it is seen as "entertainment" and not to be held seriously; there's this show called "Mythbusters" on Discovery Channel, and they did a piece on the pictures of the first moonlanding that were said to be false.

Their conclusion? Taken the astronomical sitation on the moon, the pictures were likely to be true, but could be recreated in a studio, but only when a situation similar to that on the moon, was created.

So it could go either way.

Besides, doesn't Lilith also cover secrets? They don't necessarily have to be lies, do they?