posted March 05, 2010 12:21 PM         

How does Pluto, an object that has a greater average distance than Neptune gets assigned to Scorpio which is the 8th sign of the zodiac and Neptune gets assigned to Pisces which is the 12th sign of the zodiac. Plutonian energy is more subtle than Neptunian, and the same with transneptunian in general because all of them have greater average distances than Neptune's. Sedna has the greatest average distance of all of them.

It would make sense that Plutonian people and transneptunian people in general are more sensitive to subtleties than Neptunian people are. If that's the case. Scorpions as Plutonians are more sensitive to subtleties than Pisceans as Neptunians. I really don't buy that, especially with Pisces being the last sign of the zodiac.

I am very strong in both transneptunian and Neptunian energies.too, and so that's why I wonder about this stuff.

My Sun,Mercury,and Venus are in Scorpio, and they are all modified by either a Neptunian aspect or a transneptunian aspect.
Moon in Pisces is modified by both Neptune and transneptunian aspects.

I am talking about only the dwarf planet,dwarf planet candidate transneptunians. Not the small ones.

I just think that my great depth,sensitivity is reflected by the transneptunians and not my Scorpio planets nor my Pisces planets.

I also think that in the 1960's with the Hippy movement, Astrologers added metaphysical orientation to Scorpio,Pisces,and Aquarius connected to their modern rulerships.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 05, 2010 02:07 PM         

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 05, 2010 03:54 PM         

Edgar Cayce who gave over 10,000 readings who is estimated to have an accuracy rate in the ninty percentile range spoke of the planets representing other dimenions, and how we actually incarnate on other planets/dimensions. He spoke of Pluto as Septimus and Vulcan several times before Pluto was officially discovered as a planet. It was then confirmed that Septimus was Pluto in one of the readings.

From near-death.com on Edgar Cayce and Pluto:
The planet Pluto the seventh planet from the Earth and is associated with the afterlife realm referred to as the realm of consciousness. This afterlife realm is the realm for the final development of full consciousness. The planet Pluto was discussed by Cayce years before it was actually discovered! He referred to it as Vulcan and also as Septimus. When Pluto was discovered, Cayce affirmed that Vulcan or Septimus was the same planet as Pluto. The Pluto realm of the afterlife brings regeneration and a growth in consciousness, but also can bring self-centeredness. Pluto represents spiritual growth and development of the soul and its influence is just now developing in the destiny of humanity.

and the Link for more planets/descriptions: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce08.html

Also, one last thing but I don't want to make this too long. The Sumerians who are the oldest civilization that we know much about also knew of astrology. They said they got their knowledge from the Annunaki.(meaning:those from heaven to earth came) The Sumerians also knew that the Earth was not flat, and here is one of the glyphs(?) where they had every planet(including the moon as a planet and the controversial Planet X/Nibiru) in it's correct orbiting position relative to the sun. Pluto was also featured, so despite it's size, the "people" who passed down this information must have known Pluto's significance as well. Here is one of the glyphs:

posted March 05, 2010 04:02 PM         

but how does a more metaphysically oriented,sensitive,subtle object like Pluto rule Scorpio which considered less metaphysically oriented,sensitive,subtle than Pisces which is ruled by Neptune which less metaphysically oriented,sensitive,subtle than Pluto?

also Pluto is one of over 1,000 transneptunian objects.

Pluto is a transneptunian dwarf planet along with Eris,Makemake,Haumea. They are going to be joined by other transneptunians including Sedna, "Snow White",Orcus, Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion.

Who is to say that the stuff that astronomers attributed to Pluto can also be attributed to the transneptunian region in general.

Pluto was given all these traits,characteristics,rulerships during a time that nobody knew that other objects in the transneptunian region existed. It was only until 1992, it was finally found that Pluto wasn't alone.

Also Pluto was originally thought to be large as Earth. It wasn't until the discovery of its moon, Charon, they found that Pluto was much smaller than Earth's Moon. Pluto and Charon are actually a binary system.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 05, 2010 04:15 PM         

if the Sumerians knew about Pluto, why didn't they mention Eris which is a larger object than Pluto? How come they didn't mention the other dwarf planets,Makemake and Haumea as well as other large transneptunian objects like the most distant, Sedna?

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 05, 2010 04:46 PM         

It doesn't make sense to me to equate distance with sensitivity to subtleties in general. That would mean Mars is a more subtle consciousness than Venus!

posted March 05, 2010 05:09 PM         

Saturn is the planet known as the planet of physical boundaries

All the planets beyond Saturn are referred to as outerplanets, and so they are related to metaphysical energies. Uranus is the planet of liberation from boundaries as it breaks way with its need for independence,and it is associated with innovation and intuitive flashes. Neptune is the planet of dissolution of boundaries as it pierces the veil to reveal another world,and it is associated with imagination,inspiration, and psychism. Pluto is the planet of elimination of boundaries, and is compared to being the other side. This could be death,afterlife,or could be the subterranean depths of the human psyche. It is possible that Pluto's fellow transneptunian objects could be similar to Pluto. I believe that Pluto and its fellow transneptunians can be energies so metaphysical that they can be hard to handle and can manifest as problems on the physical plane

the transneptunian region has a whole bunch of objects including Pluto.

I believe that the astronomy needs to be taken into account.

That's why astrolonomers objects that have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune which are plutinos after underworld characters. Orcus and Ixion are plutinos that are named after Underworld characters

due to their astronomical features, it would make sense that they are astrologically similar to Pluto.

They named Sedna because it's the coldest object due to its great distance. Sedna was not only the Goddess of the Oceans. She was also an Underworld Goddess. She was ruler of Adlivun, the Inuit Version of the Underworld.
Sedna is so otherworldly that it makes Neptune look mundane.

Astronomers determine the names of objects by their orbits. Some of the astronomically astrologers had names for centaurs accepted because they checked the astronomy and figured how the name fits with it. They did that first with Nessus which links the orbit of Saturn and Pluto. Saturn/Pluto midpoint is considered to be Nessus-sensitive which means that aspects to Saturn/Pluto midpoint is like an aspect to Nessus.

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posted March 05, 2010 05:25 PM         

Interesting and informative, as always.

posted March 05, 2010 06:08 PM         

I honestly don't know. Because there is no telling who is an old soul or not because reincarnation,pastlives are things that there is no proof for. That's the same with Astrology. That doesn't mean that either is B.S. I believe in reincarnation,pastlives as well as Astrology.

I suspect that people that believe that they are old souls have strong transneptunian charts. These people are the metaphysically oriented types any way,and so I believe that they are strong in transneptunian energy. I suspect that these are the same people that can relate to personality types like Indigo,Crystal,Earth Angle,Lightworker too.

The same energies could be prominent in people with neurodivergences like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, Autistic Spectrum. The genetic ones that include heredity and genetic mutation and not the acquired ones by vaccines,ear infections,brain damage.

The energies could be prominent in people that are schizophrenic,bipolar.

the symptoms/traits of neurodivergence overlap with those of schizophrenia,bipolar.

also with the narrowminded views about the metaphysical and sensitivities by scientific,mental health commmunity, metaphysically oriented types could get misdiagnosed as schizophrenics or bipolars.

People who claim to be old souls and have certain pastlives including especially ones of importance like high priest of Egypt could be unfairly.

Albert Einstein who is considered an epitome of intelligence and has been accused of having neurodivergence of Dyslexia,ADHD,Autistic Spectrum as well as thought of as being a mystic and even an early Indigo (maybe an early Crystal with his late speech in childhood) with family history of schizophrenia, happened to be very strong in transneptunian energies to that include

Quaoar conjunct Ascendant - 1'41
Quoar trine Midheaven - 2'53

Moon square Eris - '19
Eris conjunct Midheaven - 2'00

Mercury conjunct Sedna - '17
Venus parallel Sedna - '04

Sun trine Ixion - 2'32
Mars oppose Ixion - '52

Sun sextile Pluto - 1'13

Moon semisquare Orcus - '11

Moon parallel Varuna- '19

Mercury quintile Varuna - '09

Mercury conjunct Eris - '09 in Right Ascension

Mercury trine Ixion - '34 in Right Ascension

Mars conjunct Orcus - '06 in Right Ascension
Orcus semisquare Midheaven - '03 in Right Ascension

Sun sextile Varuna - '36

I use smaller orbs for the transneptunian dwarf planets, dwarf planet candidates. That includes Pluto

conjunction,opposition,square,trine - 3'00
sextile - 2'00
semisquare,sesquiquadrate,quintile,biquintile - 1'00
parallel,contraparallel - '30

The Kuiper belt is believed to consist of planetesimals; fragments from the original protoplanetary disc around the Sun that failed to fully coalesce into planets and instead formed into smaller bodies, the largest less than 3000 km in diameter. http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/k/Kuiper_belt.htm

so they are old remnants of the solar system.
it would make sense that people strong in kuiper belt energy might have that strong connection to old memories of consciousness which could mean that they could be old souls.

I wouldn't be surprised if everyone of us here are strong in transneptunian energies whether it's Pluto,Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Ixion,Varuna and others

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 05, 2010 08:14 PM         

According to Edgar Cayce Pluto relates to the pineal gland(which David Wilcox if you look into his stuff, represents the "third eye" to help see past the veil and to the spirit world -- which is why alcoholic beverages are nicknamed "spirits" as they open the third eye to see past the veil to the other side). Pluto also relates to the subconscious according to Edgar Cayce. This makes sense why Scorpios are so fascinated with solving mysteries, and why their own feelings are so intense they don't understand them sometimes and work so hard to keep them under control. They aren't as much as power obsessed as they have been made out to be are just trying to protect themselves and the people around them.(although earth placements do help them become considerably more grounded I've noticed!) It also makes sense why the pluntonic energy is mental and spiritual process at the same time for Scorpios...both are being used.(the mind gains access to the spiritual through the subconscious and use of the "third eye" a.k.a. the pineal gland) And why if you hide something from a Scorpio, they will see past the veil because they are naturally in tune with their B.S. detectors more-so than other signs. Also, if Edgar Cayce described the Plutonic dimension that we may incarnate to before returning to earth ruling regeneration, now doesn't that go hand in hand with what we have been told about Scorpios representing the Pheonix rising from the ashes renewed after surviving a crisis that nearly tears them apart? And Scorpios usually go through these traumatic events at a more frequent rate than other signs I've noticed. Plus, a Scorpio who is evolved realizes they have a natural talent to heal others. Once they know and understand themselves, they work toward their true and higher purpose they were always meant for after healing themselves: healing others. Not only do they have the power to regenerate themselves, but other people as well!

Basically what I'm trying to say is I believe the main planets corresponding with zodiac signs are 3D physical manifestations that represent other dimensions and the power within them. Edgar Cayce's view on astrology answers so many questions for me. So, their placement within the solar system does not determine the power each planet has, only where they are so we can calculate a chart and how it modifies their influence.(generational planets for example) If the moon and mars suddenly switched positions, I still think the moon would govern emotions and rule cancer and mars would still rule Aries and govern actions/anger. Because it's the power that these planets symbolize that matters most of all, regardless of size or location.(not saying they aren't located where they are for a reason though -- God is the master architect/scientist and does everything for a reason!)

I am not saying not to research or question, but sometimes things just work "just because". And it just feels right to me most of all. Keep questioning, you just might not ever get a definitive answer!

Also, the Sumerians maybe were not told about other transneptune objects because we are only given what we are needed. There is no way to disprove or prove that those objects don't have similar power as Pluto. More research must be done... Pluto evidently corresponded with something more powerful(on a spiritual level) than the rest of them though, and that's why it was not left out. You can't feed a baby solid food, they need milk. Same thing for all of us spiritually. So I think the Sumerians where taught that they needed to know -- the basics. The basics make things complicated as is by themselves. But the Sumerians did say the Annunaki who lived on another planet called Nibiru where responsible for teaching them their most precious knowledge. Math, astrology, science, writing... And this was 6,000 years ago. And the fact that each planet in that glyph exactly where it should be just like by textbooks when I was in middle school should be proof of Pluto's importance. Plus, if the 12th planet Nibiru does somehow exist and you take the new view that earth rules Libra as some astrolgers are, then that means that each sign of the twelve signs of the zodiac would have a ruling planet. Makes sense to me...

posted March 05, 2010 10:22 PM         

Eris is larger than Pluto,and it's discovery finally led to the astronomers to come up with a definition of what a planet is and a new order of objects. It also led to Ceres and Pluto being equals. It's like women striving for equality,and finally getting it. Right now, 2 of the dwarf planets are named after female deities and 2 of the dwarf planets are named after 2 male deities.

and if you say size doesn't matter...heck
maybe even the more smaller transneptunian objects have just as much power or even more power than Pluto? not just the dwarf planet candidates, but small transneptunians like Ceto,Borassisi and Rhadamanthus.

I think that the whole transneptunian region can be the subconscious

all these things assigned to Pluto were when Pluto was thought to be the only object in the transneptunian region. It turns out that Pluto has lots of neighbors.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 06, 2010 02:57 PM         

And my little slant to Aselzion's theory...