posted March 16, 2010 01:26 PM         

The interesting thing is that, for rectification, Solar Arcs can aspect a few Ascendants so i thought i'd show you my results and ask you to see which group you think is the most precise/realistic/impressive for the events.

I chose 7 major events:
1. My 1st marriage - lasted 2 years and not significant.
2. My 2nd marriage – lasted 7 years and very karmic/significant.
3. The date i separated from my 2nd marriage
4. my divorce
5. The date i fell out with my mother
6. The date i moved into my first apartment and became independent.
7. The date i resigned from my long-standing job, boyfriend and residence which changed my life entirely.

ASCENDANT 1:
My 1st marriage - lasted 2 years and not significant.
SA Neptune (ruler of n 4th) cj SA AC 0’

My 2nd marriage – lasted 7 years and very karmic/significant.
SA MC cj n IC 1’
SA NN cj DC 0’
SA SATURN cj DC 0’
SA Neptune (4th ruler) cj n AC 0'
Pr AC sq n IC/MC 0’
Pr MARS (5th ruler) sq IC 1’
Pr AC sq n IC 0’

The date i separated from my 2nd marriage
SA NN cj DC 1’
SA URANUS (3rd ruler) opp sun/moon 1’

my divorce
SA NN cj DC 0’
Pr MARS (5th ruler) sq n IC 0’

The date i fell out with my mother
SA Chiron cj sun/moon 0' in 5th house
T Saturn cj n DC 0’
Pr AC sq n IC 1’

The date i moved into my first apartment and became independent.
Pr sun (9th ruler) cj n DC 0’
SA sun (9th ruler) cj n DC 0’
SA destinn sq sun/moon 0’
SA karma cj n AC 0’

The date i resigned from my long-standing job, boyfriend and residence which changed my life entirely.
SA Neptune (4th ruler) cj SA AC 0’ and Sq n IC 0’
SA Jupiter (2nd ruler) cj n MC 0’
Pr Lilith cj DC 0’
Pr Neptune (4th ruler) cj AC 0’
Pr karma opp sun/moon 1’

**NOTE: the draco AC of this tropical ascendant degree is EXACT conjunct my 2nd husband's tropical AC!

ASCENDANT 2:
My 1st marriage - lasted 2 years and not significant.
SA JUPITER (IC ruler) cj AC 0’
SA Neptune (DC ruler) sq AC 0’

My 2nd marriage - – lasted 7 years and very karmic/significant.
SA MARS (8th ruler) cj MC 0’

The date i separated from my 2nd marriage
SA URANUS (6th ruler) opp sun/moon 0’

my divorce
SA AC opp sun/moon 0’

The date i fell out with my mother
SA URANUS (6th ruler) opp sun/moon 0’

The date i moved into my first apartment and became independent.
NOTHING

The date i resigned from my long-standing job, boyfriend and home which changed my life entirely.
SA NEPTUNE (DC ruler) cj n IC 0’
SA JUPITER (IC ruler) sq n IC 0’

ASCENDANT 3:

My 1st marriage – lasted 2 years and not significant.
SA MOON (2nd ruler) sq n IC 0’
SA VENUS (12th ruler and also within 5th house) sq n IC 0’
SA JUPITER (DC ruler) sq n AC 0’
SA NEPTUNE (MC ruler) cj n DC 1’
SA Chiron cj n sun/moon 1’

My 2nd marriage – lasted 7 years and very karmic/significant.
Solar RETURN MC cj n IC 1’
SA MARS (within 11th house) cj n AC 0’

The date i separated from my 2nd marriage
AC MC sq n AC 0’

my divorce
SA MC SQ N AC 0’
SA PLUTO (6th ruler) opp n sun/moon 1’

The date i fell out with my mother
SA MARS (within 11th house) CJ N AC 0’
SA URANUS (10th ruler) OPP N SUN/MOON 0’

The date i moved into my first apartment and became independent.
SOLAR RETURN MC SQ N AC 0’

The date i resigned from my long-standing job, boyfriend and residence which changed my life entirely.
NOTHING

posted March 16, 2010 01:49 PM         

30 minutes of arc applying, 30 minutes of arc separating.
6 months to/6 months after the exact date of event.
5 minutes = 1 month

posted March 16, 2010 04:00 PM         

Katatonic - what I did was find the 3 possible ascendants that fit with the degrees that fit and then worked out the SA's off those AC degrees.

posted March 17, 2010 06:31 AM         

second. but only after we "solve" the issue above. the fact that you now think a marriage is or not "relevant" - I'm afraid it does not matter. what we need for each "event" is a story. as personal as you can make it, but keep it short - what was that marriage like? what was the divorce like? how did you buy that house? etc

also - very imp. such life events take time. I may know more after I read your stories (see above), but to my knowledge, it may take years to get through a divorce. how did you decide to but that house - what were the circumstances, how long did it take - I've been reading newspaper adds for months now - how did you do it? ETC. details the SA reflect the nature of what was happening, your life circumstances.

maybe you were walking down the street, saw a house and said - I want this! and a week later, it was yours. in this case, we'd look for Uranus contacts. but if you got the house from an ant that died, then the ruler of your 8th may matter more, or planets in that house.

if your divorce was ugly, is one thing. if it was swift, quite another. this kind of details may help us choose.

posted March 17, 2010 06:47 AM         

My birthtime is certain, and I used it to see if this theory holds true to my chart. Every event I checked was accompanied by a Solar Arc conjunct or square the appropriate angle.

posted March 17, 2010 02:47 PM         

why didn`t you check the Aries ASC?

I think the first would give you a Sag ASC (or close to it), the second probably a Leo ASC and the last one a Gemini ASC.

Actually I wasn`t really enthusiastic about any of them, some things seemed fitting, but others didn`t. But maybe I am just not seeing it.

ASCENDANT 1:

"My 1st marriage - lasted 2 years and not significant.
SA Neptune (ruler of n 4th) cj SA AC 0’"
Well, it could fit, a change in domestic status, maybe with Neptune there a very spiritual or romantic time, but more like a romantic dream, or other interpretations I heard about Neptune is that either one gets lost in something or that this time is pretty draining.

I don΄t know what it is. I always thought Neptune is very spiritual and almost magical, even though one has to be aware of possible self-delusions.

"My 2nd marriage – lasted 7 years and very karmic/significant.
SA NN cj DC 0’
SA SATURN cj DC 0’
SA Neptune (4th ruler) cj n AC 0'

Hmm the SA NN on the DESC could indicate a very significant and fated, possibly karmic relationship.
Neptune on the ASC can still be somewhat draining or extremely romantic and maybe not seeing things for what they really are.
Saturn on the DESC could indicate the committing to a relationship (even though it doesn΄t say anything about happiness).

"The date i separated from my 2nd marriage
SA NN cj DC 1’
SA URANUS (3rd ruler) opp sun/moon 1’"
You actually do not have any exact Solar Arcs aspect to that date, and we need to check the exact ones 00°00 - 00°30, as Solar Arcs are not THAT quickly.
It is weird. I would think that this separation needs to be highlighted in Solar Arcs!

"my divorce
SA NN cj DC 0’"
Hmm, doesn`t convince me as a divorce arc. Well, of course we could say that it was the purpose and fate of this relationship to fail, but still it doesn΄t feel right.

"The date i fell out with my mother
SA Chiron cj sun/moon 0' in 5th house
T Saturn cj n DC 0’"
The SA could very well indicate a wound, maybe for the child in you (5th house).

"The date i moved into my first apartment and became independent.
SA sun (9th ruler) cj n DC 0’"
Yes, it could be a move - after all SA Sun is in Gemini, right?
But actually I would have thought that it was more of a "love-progression", highlighting relationships (Sun on DESC), possibly with someone abroad (9th house) or a Guru-type.

"The date i resigned from my long-standing job, boyfriend and residence which changed my life entirely.
SA Neptune (4th ruler) cj SA AC 0’ and Sq n IC 0’
SA Jupiter (2nd ruler) cj n MC 0’"

Changes in the domestic department, yes could be. But was it fuzzy? Neptune usually is a bit nebulous.
Jupiter on MC also would emphasize the career and public image, probably in positive ways. I would have thought this relate to a promotion or getting a raise, especially with Jupiter ruling 2nd house, but it seems that this was not the case.
Weird.

Conclusion:
Nay.
Not really convinced.

ASCENDANT 2:
"My 1st marriage - lasted 2 years and not significant.
SA JUPITER (IC ruler) cj AC 0’
SA Neptune (DC ruler) sq AC 0’"
Yes, that could be fitting for a marriage, with the Dsc ruler aspecting ASC. Significant or not, you once thought it was a significant relationship, and that would be shown here.
Jupiter on ASC would show a good time, probably.
Did you put on weight during that time?
Or expanded in other ways physically?=

"My 2nd marriage - – lasted 7 years and very karmic/significant.
SA MARS (8th ruler) cj MC 0’"
Hmm, not convincing for such a karmic marriage.
Of course it is indicated that your status was completely transformed and changed. But it jsut doesn΄t look very marriage type like. On the other hand, maybe since Mars rules 8th house, this is enough of an indication. Not sure.

"The date i separated from my 2nd marriage
SA URANUS (6th ruler) opp sun/moon 0’"
Yeah, makes sense. Uranus breaking up a relationship, surprisingly, or at least it SEEMS to be all of a sudden. But I am confused about Uranus ruling 6th house. 7th house would have made more sense.

"my divorce
SA AC opp sun/moon 0’"
Not really a divorce aspect.
But then maybe it signalled how you united with your own psyche, instead of depending on someone else?

"The date i fell out with my mother
SA URANUS (6th ruler) opp sun/moon 0’"
Hmm, not so convinced, Now if it had been the ruler of 4th or 10th house, the parental axis!

"The date i moved into my first apartment and became independent.
NOTHING"
Unlikely.

"The date i resigned from my long-standing job, boyfriend and home which changed my life entirely.
SA NEPTUNE (DC ruler) cj n IC 0’
SA JUPITER (IC ruler) sq n IC 0’"
Yeah, changing domestic life and status. that would make sense.

Yet, I am still not convinced of this ASC.

ASCENDANT 3:

My 1st marriage – lasted 2 years and not significant.
SA MOON (2nd ruler) sq n IC 0’
SA VENUS (12th ruler and also within 5th house) sq n IC 0’
SA JUPITER (DC ruler) sq n AC 0’

highlights the change in domestic life and status again, maybe by becoming a wife. Sa Venus in 5th house could be some kind of a love progression / solar arc.
DESC ruler aspecting ASC is a STRONG hint to a relationship.

My 2nd marriage – lasted 7 years and very karmic/significant.
SA MARS (within 11th house) cj n AC 0’
What does Mars rule?

The date i separated from my 2nd marriage
AC MC sq n AC 0’
Change in status again, but not a real divorce aspect I guess.

my divorce
SA MC SQ N AC 0’
SA PLUTO (6th ruler) opp n sun/moon 1’

Pluto opposite Sun/Moon could indicate an emotional trauma; was it already separating?
Or applying?

"The date i fell out with my mother
SA MARS (within 11th house) CJ N AC 0’
SA URANUS (10th ruler) OPP N SUN/MOON 0’"
Ruler of 10th house could highlight the parents, here the mother.

The date i moved into my first apartment and became independent.
SOLAR RETURN MC SQ N AC 0’

The date i resigned from my long-standing job, boyfriend and residence which changed my life entirely.
NOTHING

Hmm, there should be some Solar Arc aspects, as it were significant events in your life.

So I must say: I don`t think any of these three are right.

But better ask Geocosmic, she is far better at this.

posted March 17, 2010 03:00 PM         

Aries AC doesnt' match up to any of these dates - weirdly enough! I am not 100% sure i am ARIES AC.

The thing is DD, PLUTO has to play a large part in my chart because i nearly died at birth and i attract scorpio moon/AC's like bees to honey. Both my ex husbands had Scorpio AC 3' degrees apart!

I think i'm possibly virgo AC. Pluto on AC, uranus in 1st. Kaali cj regulus in 12th. Problem is my Granny remembers me being born in the morning - but then my Granny's memory might have been impaired as she has 25 grandkids!!

I just thought maybe this test would work

Thanks for looking DD. As soon as i get back to my computer tomorrow (it's being repaired today for email inbox problems!) i will answer your individual comments.

posted March 17, 2010 04:01 PM         

yes, that was my first thought, too, when I started looking into rectification with Solar Arcs, but we are checking several different events, and only the right ASC and MC degrees will react to ALL of them.
At least it was that way in my case. Well, my ASC is 7 Sag as per birth certificate, but I tried it out, nevertheless.
And ONLY the 7 Sag and 5 Libra (MC) were triggered at all events I checked.
NOt the 9 Sag or 5 Sag. I found that interesting, as it were just 2 degrees difference.

Lara,

"Aries AC doesnt' match up to any of these dates - weirdly enough!"
But didn`t you use these dates for the rectification you did with Geocosmic?

"The thing is DD, PLUTO has to play a large part in my chart because i nearly died at birth and i attract scorpio moon/AC's like bees to honey."
Well, yes, but first of all, Pluto isn`t the only one who can indicate an almost death at birth.
In my case I was having the umbilical cord around my throat, but luckily had my shoulder a bit up, so I didn`t die and wasn΄t really badly affected, but it was sheer luck (and maybe ANGEL exact conjunct my ASC).
In my case it was NEPTUNE on the ASC, but no Pluto.

Also, I agree your chart will have heavy Pluto involvement. Very certainly so, but this can happen in different ways.
Since you`re attracted to Plutonions in relationships, Pluto could be ruler of 5th or 7th house, or Pluto could be in 7th or 5th house, or the ruler of 5th / 7th could be conjunct / square / opposition Pluto; or the ruler of 8th house could be in 5th / 7th house or could be conjunct / square / opposition Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, DESC or the ruler of 1st, 2nd, 5th, or 7th house and so on.

Many possibilities to have Pluto emphasis.

" think i'm possibly virgo AC. Pluto on AC, uranus in 1st. Kaali cj regulus in 12th. "
Yes, Pluto and Uranus in 1st would make sense.
if you are Virgo asc, Scorpio might be on the cusp of your 3rd house leading back to Pluto on the ASC, which would definitely indicate your passionate and intense way to verbalize your thoughts.

If I had to pick one of the three ASC`s, it would have been the Virgo one, It hink.

DESC ruler aspecting ASC at the time of your 1st marriage

8th ruler conjunct MC on your 2nd marriage, but I would have expected stronger Solar arc aspects here.

Uranus opposing Sun/Moon at the time of your inner separation would be in tune with Uranus as "breaking andfreeing planet"

But there was nothing to signal your first appartment. Are you sure there was nothing?

The life change is fittingly highlighted with the Neptune and Jupiter aspecting your IC, and you said that you resigned your home! And your boyfriend, which would fit the DESC-ruler particpating here.

posted March 17, 2010 04:25 PM         

Not enough of the SA's aspect Aries AC EXACT. They are mostly 1 or 2' off!

Also i'm about the most un-business minded person in the world! I can't even organize my own bank account and i only know when i'm about to be overdrawn because my 6th sense/intuition tells me "you're close to zero girl!"

It's contradictory because my attention to detail is so precise and yet my private life 'chores' are a mess!!
I can't stand mess and yet i don't have the energy to tidy up every day with 3 kids so i've learnt to tolerate mess (although my Taurus sun can be quite superficially messy).

I think most of all i'm highly creative and intense/passionate. That must show in my AC/MC, no?

posted March 17, 2010 04:39 PM         

well, I do not want to convince you of an Aries ASC, but if it is 1-2 off, then maybe just the exact degree is wrong?.

"Also i'm about the most un-business minded person in the world!"
I don`t understand the connection. What does Aries have to do with business?

"It's contradictory because my attention to detail is so precise and yet my private life 'chores' are a mess!!"
That *could* be an expression of the Virgo-Pisces axis, but it could also be an expression of a Virgo MC and a Pisces IC.
Or Neptune aspecting IC or 4th house ruler.

"I think most of all i'm highly creative and intense/passionate. That must show in my AC/MC, no?"
Well, yes.
But you see ARies is highly creative and enthusiastic and passionate (or at least it can be), and Scorpio can be like that, too, and Pluto on ASC of course, too.

See why this is difficult?

posted March 17, 2010 04:50 PM         

yeah i know but there were VERY few aspects at all to major events!

posted March 17, 2010 05:41 PM         

One doesn't use sun and moon for arcing so, as an example:

The date i told my husband i was leaving him - which was probably one of the top 4 most significant days of my life i had:

SA mercury 13'4 gemini
SA venus 26'47 taurus
SA mars 26'40 gemini
SA jupiter 1'15 libra
SA saturn 23'25 taurus
SA uranus 1'2 scorpio
SA neptune 1'4 capricorn
SA pluto 25'52 libra
SA NN 25'8 taurus
SA chiron 6'46 taurus

So i'm looking for an angle of either
taurus/scorpio axis
gemini
libra
capricorn

in this example SA moon was at 26'44 so that might figure along with venus.

Then if i look at falling out with my mother, which was the most heart-breaking time of my life to date i had:

SA mercury 9'12 gemini
SA venus 22'55 taurus
SA mars 22'48 gemini
SA jupiter 27'23 virgo
SA saturn 19'32 taurus
SA uranus 27'10 libra
SA neptune 27'12 sagittarius
SA pluto 22'0 libra
SA NN 20'16 taurus
SA chiron 2'54 taurus

Angles of
gemini/sagittarius
taurus/scorpio
libra
virgo

yet the degrees don't match between the two dates LOL!!! hahaha

2 MAJOR dates and they don't match, although my mother and i finally fell out for good at end of January 2001.

By which time, the SA venus @22'55 taurus is now 23' taurus and has caught up with the SA saturn @23'25 taurus on the date i left my marriage.

posted March 17, 2010 08:58 PM         

I want to play with some charts as well that could be your time...

Also if your born in the UK you can ring the hospital you were born in and be put through to patient enquiries then patient medical records. I rang up our local hospital and got my time of birth over the phone. Years later when i went to get my brothers time of birth I had to pay and put in a request form, but at least you can still get it. Even if the hospital you were born in has closed down usually there records have been moved to another hospital.

Also with solar arcs marriage is easily identified.

Usually the ascendant makes a hard aspect to the 7th house ruler of venus makes a hard aspect to an angle. Eg: SA venus conjunct IC or AC or SA venus square MC.

A while ago I had posted up charts of people who had gotten married and it was all very similiar and usually the first marriage especially if you have children shortly after is very significant. Im going to find the link to amowls thread somehow.

Also the incident with your mother could also be a transit of pluto and uranus to your 4th house cusp.

Some of my most significant moments don't show up in SA either but they do show with transits. I travel and change my life completly quite alot.

The day me and my brother stopped talking 30th Jan 2009 I had SA mars trine jupiter (3rd HR) as the only aspect and SA jupiter square my AC.. but that would be because I had got my own apartment at that point.