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hikoro
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posted March 17, 2010 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this a curse?

I googled explanations on this aspect and ended up feeling very scared, it is as if one's romantic relationships are doomed to fail.

Or maybe it is not that pessimistic.

Would someone elaborate on Saturn in the 7th?
Lessons? Experiences? The positive side of it?

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posted March 17, 2010 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in the 7th will just make you take partnerships seriously. Often there will be an age difference. Sometimes the partner's attitude will reflect Saturnine themes - i.e., they're mature, or even youthful. I've known people who got married very early with this placement - or very late. Responsibility seems to be a major theme though. Relationships aren't usually toyed with when Saturn is in the 7th.

My mother has Saturn IN her 7th (along with Pluto, and I think Mars too. She's been married 3 times. Has she had bad luck in love? Well, not really. She ended up being married to a really great guy - my stepfather is wonderful and they've been happy for 26 or 27 years.

I think no matter WHAT sign you have on your 7th, there will always be work to do

It bothers me though that such fatalistic crap exists out there, cookbook interpretations to turn people off and scare them, offer them nothing in the way of understanding.

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posted March 17, 2010 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO! WE ARE NOT DOOMED!

Saturn is exalted in the 7th house, because it is exalted in Libra.

Saturn and relationships might not sound like an attractive combination but he does an important job and he has a positive side. He isn't just obstacles and restriction. He is foundations and serious bonds.

Saturn is the father, and if you are lucky like me, that image is someone who gives good advice and can be relied upon.

In my working relationships I have always got on well with older men. They look after me, introduce me to important people, help me get along.

In my family relationships there are plenty of Saturn interactions. That makes sense to me, that is where we are dutiful and long-term committed.

In romantic relationships I have been with the same person for nearly 20 years. He is older than me, very career-orientated. He has a natal Sun CNJ Saturn. He says things like, "don't sell yourself short, you can do better than that."

Saturn gets a hard time on on a messageboard that is over-balanced towards short term romances. Discuss long-term relationships, friendships and family, it starts to make more sense.


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posted March 17, 2010 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MyVirgoMask, blue moon

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posted March 17, 2010 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn has a lot to do with fears or anxieties. Saturn wants control and to be prepared for the worst. Saturn's motto is "better safe than sorry".

If person has Saturn in the seventh they may have fears or anxieties about entering a relationship. Someone with Saturn in the seventh will not be comfortable with the concept of "there are other fish in the sea"(unless Jupiter or Uranus are heavily involved in the chart) to cheer them up once they have decided they will invest in "the one". Relationships can be seen as purely duty or responsibility, even if this fear is unfounded and not true in their current relationship. Saturn in the seventh thinks when pondering about investing in a relationship "I want love/companionship....but at what cost?"

An older partner, someone who adds structure to their life, or someone successful could be seen as ideal for Saturn in the seventh. This placement does not mean you will never marry or marriage will not be successful, only adds to the chance that you will find your true soulmate later in life than most.

On a note of caution, those that marry before their Saturn Return with Saturn in the seventh should be careful. I've seen it tear apart marriages. If you are not on the correct path, God has a way during this time of giving you a shove in the right direction. And it's not the most pleasant thing in the world to experience I'm guessing.

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posted March 17, 2010 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you mean when Saturn returns and aspects the natal Saturn and/or other planets in the natal chart?


Thanks, Ami

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posted March 17, 2010 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First option: when Saturn returns and aspects the natal Saturn. When people are around 27-28 I have watched the relationship become more stifling and face more turmoil until they break up. However, I think if the couple is meant to be whatever they might face during this period they will endure it, the relationship will survive, and the challenges they face will just make them stronger instead of weaker. You cannot lose something that is meant to be yours in my opinion.

This is a danger we all face during our Saturn return I suppose, but for those with Saturn in the seventh it seems more like a possibility of this happening. If they feel like they are stuck in some sort of "limbo" in life and aren't going anywhere, do not have their ideal career, things left they still wish to do,(like go to school, travel, ect) -- and their relationship gets in the way of that -- these people are much more likely to experience the negative affects of a Saturn return. Those who don't have to worry about this, well, they are SUPPOSED to reap the benefits of their hard work.

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posted March 17, 2010 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BM:

for the positive view on Saturn in 7

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posted March 17, 2010 09:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
** BM: for the positive view on Saturn in 7th **

ditto :-)

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posted March 17, 2010 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any House Saturn occupies, whether its exalted in that House or not, requires work.
It's not doom, but it won't come easy, it's work!

A guy I dated had this placement. He was very Saturnine, with his Ascendant and Venus in Capricorn. He is still looking for his true love, and has been disappointed many times. He has high expectations, and wants a serious commitment with someone he deems worthy. Dating for him is like work.

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posted March 17, 2010 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 17, 2010 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks.

I got married a long time before my Saturn return and now I am a long way past it.

The return of Saturn to my 7th house was very positive for me - at this time I had my first child. This was after having had several miscarriages in a row.

Hikoro wanted a positive example, she got one. It didn't come without some effort on my part, that's true, but few things in life do.

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posted March 17, 2010 12:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i also have saturn in 7th, and i got married right after my saturn return. we moved in together ON my saturn return....and though that marriage did fail around HIS saturn return, i don't consider it negative at all.

i would say if you marry the wrong person someone's saturn will create a split...but i agree with BM that saturn is exalted in the 7th

saturn takes possibilities and gives them structure. i agree that in 7th it often seems to indicate an age difference between the partners...which can go either way. HE had saturn in the 2nd house and so "success" in business and material things was where he was going.

i think saturn often shows what you may not WANT TO FACE but eventually it will pretty much force you to DO your saturn. it will be a happy thing if you are willing, but if you resist, it may feel like hell...

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hi

my bf´s brother has saturn in the 7th.cancer.sqyares his moon/uranus/merc/kiron.

not easy i bet.he married around his saturn return.with 28yr i guess but it only lasted 3 years.

since then that he had several gf,like breaks up with one,some weeks later another one is there...ive never seen a person with saturn in 7th to be so---womanizer---but for now he is with a gf for 3 years and that is his highsest score till now.

i agree that if you marry with the wrong person,then the saturn return mighr break it apart.

hmm i think he had some gf much older than him too.

this is from skyviewzone

"Saturn in the 7th House

This is a lifetime to perfect the art of one-on-one relationships. As a marriage partner you will last through even the worst of times and your close friendships can endure for a lifetime."

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posted March 17, 2010 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok…the explanations I have read is that the person with this placement tends to marry late, or if she/he marries early, then the relationship is likely to fail around the Saturn return.

In addition to this, the person is more likely to end with a man who is much older than her and with a man who will give you structure. :P

You see, I have had my experiences with older men and did not like them at all. At the beginning, I had this ideal that dating an older man meant dating a more mature man.

Perchance, for other women, dating an older man makes her feel secure and directed somehow. But for me, these relationships were stifling, I found the men as being too controlling, domineering and too serious.

I am a self-reliant woman who has been taking care of herself on her own since the age of 17. I don’t need a daddy or mother figure, besides, I already have my parents.

Now, I am with a virgo, he also has virgo moon and Capricorn rising. He has Saturn in Scorpio in the 10th house. If his birth time is correct, his Saturn is conjunct my venus in Scorpio. This man is only a few years older than me, he is young, looks youthful (must be the virgo in him), mature, hard-working, fun and laidback but above all I feel free with him. I have Saturn in Sagittarius in the 7th house.

With my previous relationships, I always felt as if I had to work more than the other person, felt anxious about arguments, relationships, ect. I felt patronized because of being young and I look like a 16 year old….but now, I just feel very secure at the moment, my virgo partner respects me and wants to make the relationship work with me, arguments occur and we don’t worry because we know everything will be all right. We never insult each other and have a deep respect toward one another. But above all, I feel free! I feel free! (within the relationship).

And even the possible Saturn conjunct venus in our synastry does not play out as it is described. Over and over I read that I should be the ‘child’ and my partner, ‘saturn-the father’ but thus far, I have always been more of the teacher and more mature with all the people I have dated.

I have always been very mature for my age and deemed as an 'old soul'.

Instead of being with ‘saturn-the father’, I rather be with an equal and not with a fatherly man.

Maybe having a Saturnian partner works better for virgo, cancer and pisces women. I have seen plenty of cancer and pisces women with saturnian men but for a scorpio-taurus with some sag and aqua like me, I just have a hard time tolerating authoritarian- fatherly type folks.

I have a great respect toward my elders, but that is about it.

I wonder what Glaucus would think about all of this, since he does not pay attention to traditional interpretations of astrology as much.

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posted March 17, 2010 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't necessarily think Saturn needs to be stifling or annoyingly authoritarian...even in hard aspects. Saturn can represent wisdom, strength, understanding, *maturity* (as in, the person is mature enough to not make you feel immature LOL), and tolerance.
I think if you are used to Saturn in your own chart, then maybe Saturn's influence will not feel stifling.

I'm a Virgo with an Aries Moon and Taurus rising/Scorpio Venus.... I don't like having any type of 'authority' lorded over me. Yet even the square my sun and Mercury get from my boyfriend's Saturn isn't annoying to me - maybe because he's got Saturn well-integrated in his own chart, and isn't into power trips. IN addition my own MC is in Capricorn, and Saturn squares my 7th house ruler. I am used to some of that Saturn energy.

You need some hard Saturn aspects usually to establish some glue in a relationship anyway. But they don't necessarily need to play out in a terrible way.

Plus I think Saturn can have different effects on different people's charts. For instance, the Saturn on my sun and Mercury are ok. Having Saturn in hard aspect to my Moon and Mars has sucked though. That's for me... another person might not mind. They might need that Saturn square to those planets to feel secure. People have different needs.

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posted March 17, 2010 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A father replacement is rather a literal interpretation of the image of Saturn as a father. If you forgive me for saying so I think that is the problem here, the key is to what the symbolism of the placement means to you and how you use it. There is no definitive interpretation and no actual way this going to play out.

There's no rule that that Saturn Return will break up a happy relationship. It didn't work out like that for me, as one example. That doesn't mean I am disagreeing with that suggestion. It is just one way that particular symbolism has played out in their experience.

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posted March 17, 2010 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who says it has to mean a 'daddy complex'? It could just mean a responsible person looking for that quality in a partner. But then again, like BM said...its different for everyone.

I'm a Cap Ascendant so Saturn rules my life.....from the 12th. Consider yourself lucky.

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posted March 18, 2010 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn conjunct my DSC AND squaring my Venus. I've never dated an older man (the oldest has been a year older). And I have no problem finding relationships. Saturn just makes me serious about them, which can cause heartbreak especially since I'm young and all the boys around me rarely want serious relationships.

We'll see about the marriage thing, as I have never been married but I'm only 22. I like BM's life example.

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posted October 14, 2013 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for whaaat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 14, 2013 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine is retograde in Cancer in the 7th house; I am almost 40. Never had a "proper" relationship in my life. I have relationship fobia. Although I fall in love and be with the same guy for years sexualy ( appr. 3 to 5 years ), I never become a "lover". Even though It hurts. Oddly, I don't let go easily. Even though deep down I feel a need for a relationship, it's awfuly hard for me to get into one. scares the **** out of me. Most of the times I believe I meant to be Single.

Other than that, my friendships are lasting. I have very close friends ( 20 to 30 years of friendship ) whom I am very devoted and loyal.

In my early young years, I was attracted to older man but it did not took too long to discover, guys more or less at my age better for me

I am a rebel in my family but still very loyal to them. I care about them deeply.

I am a Capricorn, ascendant, venus, mercury in Cap as well.

I have 3 other friends who have Saturn in the 7th house.

Let's say A - sun Sagittarius, ascendant Cap. woman; Saturn in Cancer / 7th - married at the age of 23, divorced in her Saturn return. After that it has been nearly 13 years now, she has been in and out numerous relationships. She loves men and can handle several at the same time. But there is always something off about her relationships. Now, she is single. she says she likes being single. She has always been a free spirit. She is naughty and very funny.

B- sun Leo, asc. Libra woman; Saturn in Taurus / 7th - never had a "proper" relationship even though she wanted. So far the only relationship she had was at the age of 40 and with a musician 15 years younger than her. She was kinda mothering her. It lasted 1,5 year. She is mostly platonic. She is still single. She has always been a free spirit. A very joyful & animated one.

C-Sun Cancer, Asc Libra woman; Saturn in Taurus / 7th - in her teendays she had a relationship with a guy who she cheated but could not forget for nearly 10 years. She was always in search of a relationship, had numerous lovers - most not classy at all but sadly always got her broken. At the age of 40, she got married and now has a child. Unfortunately, I sense sooner or later there will be a divorce if she can fix the financial problems. She has always been a free spirit and daring.

So, saturn in the 7th seems to be creating relationship issues.

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posted October 14, 2013 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, Saturn. I have...

Sun square Saturn
Moon tribe Saturn
Mercury square Saturn
Venus square Saturn
Saturn conjunct Neptune
Saturn conjunct Uranus
Saturn sextile Pluto

Clearly I have a lot of relationship karma to deal with in this lifetime because not only do I have Saturn in the 7th, but Uranus and Neptune there as well, and Pluto in the 5th house.

My Saturn lessons come in spurts. At one point I noticed a pattern that my partnerships were teaching me responsibility. Then about my self-worth and value,

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