posted March 17, 2010 02:06 PM         

There are also the Geocentric Juno Nodes which can also give insight into marriage,committed relationships,and partnerships.

The nodes of Juno mark the points at which Juno's orbit intersect the extension of the earth's orbit,the ecliptic, its north node marking its entry into north celestial latitude and the south node the return to north latitude.

Think of the Geocentric Juno Nodes as points where Juno's orbit crosses the plane of Earth's orbit. You can think of the intersection of the planes of both orbits to produce a "line of nodes".

Using no more than 1 degree orb:

North Juno Node in 1'45 Libra in 1st - committed relationships,marriage,partnerships
conjunct Pluto in 0'51 Libra in 1st - merge with intensity,transformation,power,regeneration,subtlety
sextile Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd - work with inspiration,idealism,mystical,compassion,dissolution

I could be Plutonian,Neptunian when it comes to committed relationships.
I could have Plutonian,Neptunian partners.

South Juno Node in 26'06 Aquarius - committed relationships,marrage,partnerships
conjunct Mars in 25'54 Aquarius - merge with passion,assertion,physical drive,aggression,fieriness

I can be Martian in my partnerships.
I have a past of Martian partners. My exgf had Sun,Mercury,Mars in Aries. Her Mars sextile my Mars-South Juno Node conjunction and her South Venus Node conjunct my Mars-South Juno conjunction.

If you include the sign placements of my North Juno Node in Libra and South Juno Node in Aquarius,
You would see my aspects would fit with the possibility of my having a partner that is an advocate,activist for equality,change,reform,social justice.
If you include the house placements of North Juno Node in 1st,South Juno Node in 6th as well as Neptune in 3rd and Pluto in 1st, you would see my aspects fit with personal importance,work/health/service,learning/mental activity/education. My future could very likely to be a neurodiversity advocate,neurodivergent and/or a metaphysician including even an Astrologer.

Can you relate to your Geocentric Juno Node Aspects?

you can find your Juno Nodes here http://www.true-node.com/pos/

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 17, 2010 02:22 PM         

Juno is on 16°58 Pisces in 3rd
-trine Saturn on 16°57 Cancer in 8th
- semisextile Moon on 17°07 Aquarius in 2nd

Geo Juno NN is on 10°22 Libra in 10th
- sextile Neptune on 9°56 Sag in 1st

Geo Juno SN is on 27°48 Aquarius in 3rd
- conjunct True BML on 28°37 Aquarius in 3rd

posted March 19, 2010 01:19 AM         

The Juno nodes don't make any 1 degree orb aspects in my chart.

Regarding sign placements, my Mars is Libra and Sun Pisces, which are male markers in my chart, so on that basis it meshes. They're both artistic peaceful signs, but I'm not attracted to that type; I don't like charm, and I have enough trouble staying grounded so I stay away from the artsy-fartsy crowd.

posted March 19, 2010 04:44 AM         

if you want other objects besides that,you have to type their names in the box

but

you have to go to this section and add them http://www.true-node.com/add/

Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 19, 2010 04:54 AM         

Chiron, the Evolutionary Perspective: Chiron’s Planetary Nodes
By Rose Marcus

Chiron’s south node and its ruler will represent what has come before – a composite of the deepest wounds housed within cellular memory that remain at a vibrant and readily accessible, albeit primarily subconscious, level. The south node memory imprints represent the echoes of our most intense and peak emotional histories, those that have shaped our current conditioning (subconscious needs, fears, security patterns, and expectations) and which subsequently perpetuate our experiential realities through Chiron’s chart position (house, sign, ruler and aspects).
http://rosemarcus.com/astrolink/chiron-the-evolutionary-perspective/

Roy MacKinnon mentions the Heliocentric Chiron Nodes here: http://www.bristolschoolofastrology.com/asteroid_nodes.59.html

according to his page

Heliocentric South Chiron Node would be departure,release,disassociation with woundedness

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 19, 2010 05:08 AM         

same here...I was using Placidus..heh

"Juno is on 16°58 Pisces in 3rd
-trine Saturn on 16°57 Cancer in 8th
- semisextile Moon on 17°07 Aquarius in 2nd"

this seems like that committed relationships,partnerships involving emotional depth,sensitivity, and discipline. It would seem like you would need to make a committed relationship work. You wouldn't want a partner that rushes you when it comes to sex. You would want to take it slow with your partner to make sure that he is there for the long haul. Of course you want a partner that you could discuss spiritual things with and will take you seriously.

Geo Juno NN is on 10°22 Libra in 10th
- sextile Neptune on 9°56 Sag in 1st

this emphasises the need to have spirituality with a committed relationship partner. with Geo North Juno Node in Libra, equality is important in the committed relationship...in the 10th,involves career,social status. Maybe the committed relationship could be met through career that involves compassion,inspiration, and/or spirituality.

Geo Juno SN is on 27°48 Aquarius in 3rd
- conjunct True BML on 28°37 Aquarius in 3rd

This seems to indicate that committed relationships need to involve your partner treating you as an equal and respect your feminine power. The partner could be unconventional,humanitarian,objective. This could be linked to a pastlife too.

overall

It seems that depth,spirtuality,equality are important in a committed relationship for you.

posted March 19, 2010 05:14 AM         

My Pallas NN is exact conj my Sun"
http://www.valkyrieastrology.com/Makeover/applications/asteroids/pallas.html

Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 19, 2010 01:56 PM         

Right on! Yeah...I find the nodes of planets,centaurs,asteroids,transneptunians to be quite insightful.

A week ago, I did a planetary node reading a for a friend of mine. I checked out her transneptunian aspects. She told me that it was very enlightening,helpful,and had confirmed what her path is more clearly.

I felt the same when checking out my stuff.
I think finding out that I had Sun oppose/conjunct Eris Nodes in Taurus/Scorpio (Geocentric,Heliocentric)and Eris sextile Midheaven and North Lunar Node (corresponding Midheaven square Eris/Node midpoint) helped me understood my life purpose as a neurodiversity advocate more clearly. It also helped me understand how controversial and discordant I can be, especially if I come off too intense and passionate (the Sun conjunct the South Eris Node in Scorpio).

It was only after the discovery of big kuiper belt objects larger than dwarf planet, Ceres that I realized about my neurodivergence.

Quaoar was discovered on June 4, 2002, and it was in early 2003 that I realized about my neurodivergence and how it runs strong in my family. I realized that my bipolar diagnosis was misdiagnosis. It was finding my biological father New Year's Eve of 2003 in social security California Death Record index online that set my finding myself in motion.

in my natal:
Moon trine Quaoar - '49
Sun conjunct Quaoar - 2'58 (1'46 in Right Ascension

Sedna was discovered on November 14, 2003 and Orcus was discovered on February 17, 2004. It was spring of 2004, I got diagnosed ADHD,inattentive type which was my first neurodivergent condition diagnosed after LD,ADHD assessment.

in my natal:
Sun oppose Sedna - '44 in Right Ascension
Moon sextile Sedna - 1'05 (0'39 in Right Ascension)

in my natal:
Sun contraparallel Orcus - '01
Sun biseptile Orcus - '01
(Bilevel)
Venus trine Orcus - '40

Haumea was discovered December 28, 2004
Eris was discovered on January 5, 2005
Makemake was discovered on March 31, 2005
June 2005, I saw world renowned neurologist/psychiatrist Dr. Levinson who confirmed that I had neurological abnormalities that fit with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia after testing by him leading to a diagnosis of cerebellar vestibular dysfunction which he believed was the root of neurodivergent conditions which he called Dyslexic Syndrome.

in my natal:
Makemake conjunct Antivertex - 1'21
Mercury square Makemake - 2'01
Mars oppose Makemake - '58 in Right Ascension

Eris sextile Midheaven - 1'01
Sun oppose/conjunct Eris Nodes (Geo and Helio) - '10
Mercury biquintile Eris - '06
Moon semisquare Eris - '07 in Right Ascension
Venus quincunx Eris - '10 in Right Ascension

Haumea conjunct Ascendant - 2'10
Haumea square Midheaven - 0'03
Venus sextile Haumea - 0'52

It was around the end of August 2006, the dwarf planet category was announced,Pluto was demoted,Ceres was promoted, and Eris was given its name. It was December 2006, that my Dyspraxia and Dyslexia were confirmed by Veteran Affairs neurologists after neurological testing and neuropsychological testing which led to opening the door for me to be credible as a neurodiversity advocate speaking for awareness of neurodivergence based on my own.

Finding myself and my life purpose was connected to the discoveries of the large transneptunian objects and the redefining of planetary criteria leading to the new classification of dwarf planet making Pluto and Ceres equals.

The transneptunians objects besides Pluto were like the missing links to my chart and completely understanding me

there is more

Pluto's moon,Charon was discovered on June 22, 1978. It was that discovery that led to the astronomers to realize that Pluto was not as large as our Earth but was much smaller than our Moon. Pluto and Charon are a binary system. September of 1978,I was placed in a more appropriate special education class for people with neurological/learning differences in 2nd after being identified as having above average intelligence.
June 22nd is my late maternal grandfather's birthday too.

in my natal:
Pluto trine Midheaven - 2'31 in Right Ascension
Venus trine North Geocentric Pluto Node - '31
Mercury sextile South Geocentric Pluto Node - '03

Chiron was discovered on October 18, 1977. That was just a month after I was misplaced in a special education class with the mentally retarded in 1st grade when transiting Chiron-Sedna was in opposition to my Sun.

in my natal:
Chiron sextile Midheaven - '42
Chiron parallel Ascendant - '21

I guess I should pay attention to my Geocentric Juno Nodes for insight into my life partner.

My current Solar Return has North Pluto Node trine Juno and Pluto square North Juno Node,and that definitely reinforces my Pluto conjunct North Juno Node.

I like the South Venus Node trine Juno-Uranus conjunction which seems to add to theme of Natal Uranus conjunct Solar Return Venus.

We'll see what happens.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 19, 2010 02:23 PM         

I understand what you say about the synchronicity of discovery and insights in your life.

I have had the same experience with Pholus.
In one synastry I have strong Pholus-interaspects with that guy; at each time we "met" or something significant happened, Tr Pholus was highlighted through conjunction, opposition or square to Sun, Moon, lunar Nodes or ASC (if I remember it rightly).

First he was more like a "phantom", as he had kind of "disappeared" from the face of earth (at least to me).
But then one year I got that strong intuitive feeling of him having moved to a particular city. That idea came out of the nothing. I actually checked the yellow pages, and I was right. It was like he "materialized" in some weird way from that moment on.
It was the same year of the discovery of Pholus. That really left me flabbergasted.

I was thinking about the Chiron SN and the wound it is said to indicate.
Well, in my case it is trine my Sun (and conjunct my Hygieia, I think, have to check though).
Would that mean that I have a "wound" concerning my Self or my understanding or expression of my Self?

Do you think transits to the nodes will be relevant?

posted March 19, 2010 02:43 PM         

It could just mean that you're a teacher,guide, or healer of some sort.

well..You're a teacher.

"Do you think transits to the nodes will be relevant?"

I believe that they are like aspects to the geocentric nodes of Mercury,Venus,Mars as well as the major asteroids

nodes of Jupiter and beyond would be more about the collective, but their house placement could be significant.

Roy MacKinnon thought conjunction transit to his North Chiron Node in 7th during his divorce was significant.
http://www.bristolschoolofastrology.com/asteroid_nodes.59.html

I am going to pay close attention when transiting Saturn conjuncts my Sun less than 1 degree because it will also be conjunct my Geocentric/Heliocentric South Eris Node. It could be a significant karmic type of event involves diversity,equality matters. It could involve controversy,discord.

That will occur November 2012.

The end of the world.

hahahahaha!

just kidding.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 19, 2010 02:47 PM         

I am more interested in the transiting nodes -- where they are now.

SN Uranus is on my n.venus and SN Saturn is on my MC.

posted March 19, 2010 02:51 PM         

They move much slower than the outer planets and even the transneptunian objects.

Do you have the same aspect in your natal, using a 2 degree orb?

the heliocentric nodes of all objects move up to 1 degree per century.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 19, 2010 10:19 PM         

The mars SN has moved far away from my venus now. The saturn SN is now very close to my MC, so it must move faster than thought. I'm guessing it moves when saturn moves sign, but I don't know.

posted March 19, 2010 11:33 PM         

all heliocentric nodes move up to 1 degree per century.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 19, 2010 11:57 PM         

Natal Geocentric North Saturn Node in 29'41 Cancer
Transiting North Saturn Node in 17'46 Cancer

Natal Geocentric South Saturn Node in 18'00 Capricorn
sextile Natal Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
Transiting Geocentric South Saturn Node in 28'42 Capricorn

Natal Geocentric North Uranus Node in 15'46 Gemini
trine Natal Uranus in 15'17 Libra
Transiting Geocentric North Uranus Node in 11'15 Gemini

Natal Geocentric South Uranus Node in 12'04 Sagittarius
oppose Natal Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini
square Natal Haumea in 11'17 Virgo
square Natal Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
trine Natal Eris in 12'15 Aries R
Transiting Geocentric South Uranus Node in 16'59 Sagittarius

I don't really bother looking at transiting Nodes, especially not the transits of nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond because they move slow. It wouldn't be significant for events.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 20, 2010 12:32 AM         

7 1/2 degree aspect was used in both the U.S. and Germany in predicting ionospheric disturbances. John Nelson of the U.S. and Dr. Theodor Landscheidt of West Germany used all multiples of 7 1/2 degree in their predictive work, and both claimed accuracy of 90 percent of better.

I'd rather keep it simple by using only the Ptolemaic aspects, and using no more than 2 degrees. If they are within 1 degree,they could be a strong theme. If they are minor planets, then I use no more than 1 degree. If they are within 30 minutes of arc, then they could be a strong theme.

Only the geocentric nodes of only Mercury,Venus,Mars,and asteroids can be used in synastry. The nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond are beyond generational.
I would use only half the orb of natal aspect for the synastry aspect orb.

Dr. Theodor Landscheidt was the pioneer of using the geocentric nodes of objects. I read an article on geocentric planetary nodes which I posted here in this forum.

He also devised golden aspects which are aspects based on the golden section.
He used no more than 1 degree for them.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"