posted March 20, 2010 04:31 AM         

To be blunt, Geo, I met him while I was dancing on stage, naked. I had left the stripping scene for years and came back for a random hurrah one night, and he'd been dragged in there by his cousin. That's how we met. Yes, there was a lot of shame there I think, as well as confusion, both ways. But there was a huge glamor cast both ways, and a sense of enchantment (which eventually led to disenchantment LOL).
Half the time I had no idea what was going on in the relationship, and due to his casual substance abuse, we almost didn't marry at all. We had eloped quite suddenly, btw, in the mountains.

posted March 20, 2010 04:35 AM         

I was thinking only the planets on the angles or the angles themselves count for this kind of thing. Interestingly, I have Neptune in my 7th house - not on the cusp, just in there (and the ex was a Pisces rising to boot). So I guess Neptunian influence would relate to my relationship sphere.
The rest of the stuff I am not sure about.
Do you count the quincunx or semi-square btw, Geo?

posted March 20, 2010 05:28 AM         

Also, can one use semi-sextiles for chart rectification with SA's please or are they invalid?

OMG MVM me too. I cried the entire way through my 1st marriage's wedding day and on the way to the airport leaving for our honeymoon, i knew i'd made a huge mistake.
It's the worst feeling in the world. I totally empathize with you

When i met my 2nd husband, the moment i met him something just said "run!" and i didn't listen to that voice. Now i'm stuck with his kids, no financial help and drowning from all the stress and lack of money. *sigh*
BIG lessons learnt though

It's ok to admit mistakes because they shape you into a more beautiful person x

posted March 20, 2010 12:21 PM         

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That means no Arcs or Progressions of any kind. I noticed how you said that you get worn down from manually calculating aspects, etc. Well, now you can forget about comparing your progressions to another persons chart.

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posted March 20, 2010 02:37 PM         

Also - I think that since we're talking about things like marriage then we should try and look at people who were at least married or have had very long involvements.

posted March 20, 2010 02:54 PM         

I'm hyper aware that astrologers do this. I use to do it. But if I had to bet my life on that method being consistent client after client after client, I'd be out of business.

In terms of time spent preparing a synastry chart reading or even just doing it for your own personal research, I compare the amount of time spent checking it out to the difference between building your own fire by rubbing 2 sticks together in order to cook your family a meal and boiling water in a microwave. I guess I'm trying to say it's not necessary. There are too many ways to get quicker concrete information (as concrete as you can get with prognostication percentages).

In my experience astrology is accurate about 85% to 90% of the time. The way I handle synastry clients is by studying both charts of both clients and looking at their personal relationship profile, their self-worth profile which includes their own self-esteem, how they feel about giving in a relationship, are they able to receive love in relationships and how much to they really value other people in relationships. Then I put the charts together synastrically without asteroids (except I now add Valentine for synastry). If you have perfect synastry match ups with a person like Michael Jackson, I don't care if you're gay, straight or bi, the relationship won't work because Michael Jackson had no healthy relationship modeling in his life. He never witnessed his parents being affectionate, his mother wouldn't even discuss whether she kissed her husband. He and all of his siblings ran away to get married, never inviting the parents.

posted March 20, 2010 03:10 PM         

What a fascinating story. There were a few keywords that you used that also describe what Neptune rules: Glamor, enchantment, substance abuse, eloped (secrecy around the relationship and suppression of the relationship), mermaid, sea-green dress.

Lucille Ball also had Neptune in her 7th House. She left Desi Arnaz after 19-20 years of marriage because of his substance abuse and extra-marital affairs. I'm not saying that every person with Neptune in the 7th will experience this because I haven't studied her chart well enough, but I suppose it's one of the many experiences 7th House Neptune may want to keep a look out for.

And yes, with Solar Arcs you MUST use Semi-Squares, Sesqui-quadrates and Quindeciles. Because of the slow nature of Solar Arcs, these aspects pack a punch, unlike the transits, although I count them all the time.

As for Quincunx's, I was taught to ignore them because if they are present and seem to be creating a fuss in the chart, I take it as a signal that I've missed some other stronger more blatant Ptolemaic aspect and it's usually right. BUT! I no longer just pass them by. They are a slightly lower strength than a square and I look at them more often than I used to.

But for all of you who responded, thanks for your marriage stories. Isn't it fascinating what happens?

posted March 20, 2010 03:44 PM         

I think the good parts of Neptune in the 7th (once it's aware of its own nature) is that it's a very compassionate placement. Also, there's a tendency to adore the other and see them in a beautiful light, even during the worst of times. I don't think this is a bad thing, not when one is aware and keeps things in check. It's like always being able to dream up new things to do together - Neptune in the 7th is very, very good at keeping the romance alive, believe me. And you should provide them with a bit of that as well, so they don't become too disenchanted.

It's once you cross them that you don't have a chance in hell. The fall is up from rrrrreeeeeeeeeaaally high if you betray a Neptune in the 7th.

posted March 20, 2010 05:22 PM         

MVM hit the nail on he head with her answer. With Neptune involved with the 7th House, everything we've all mentioned so far are possibilities. There's the possible addictive spouse issues (that includes co-dependece, the savior/martyr syndrome), there's the compassion, romance, fantasy, but there's also a suggestion of having a spouse who needs your strong assistance. For example, caring for a spouse with a disability, someone who needs advanced care in some respect like needing a wheelchair or just some kind of extra assistance.

And MVM,

posted March 21, 2010 12:53 PM         

But check for yourself.

http://www.positiveastrology.com/archivearticles.asp

BTW just in case I wasn`t clear enough, I strongly disagree about one`s progressed planets or Solar arced planets NOT having an effect on another person, if they are in aspect.

The progressions / directions show where we are or how we are AT THAT MOMENT in time; they are just US as our natal chart, just only for this moment in time.

posted March 21, 2010 01:24 PM         

The reason I ask is because when you compare the natal to the progressed, you are essentially two different people. In my Natal, I am a Cancer Sun, Leo Moon and Sag ASC. But in my Progressed Chart, I have become a Virgo Sun, Cancer Moon and Capricorn ASC. I have essentially become a completely different person. So I guess that's why I pull up both charts everyday.. I reflect on who I am, what's happening in my world, and whether the transits to each chart is reflective of those differences.

posted March 21, 2010 01:49 PM         

I usually pull up both, progressions as well as transits.

I think the natal will of course still be valid, but the progressed aspects will add a new nuance.

Example:
My natal ASC is in Sag, and yes I can identify with it very much.

But at one point in my life I had to move out from home, have my first new flat, had to be responsible for my taxes and paying my bills on my own, and started my first paied job (which actually was part of my last two years of education - so a very exhausting work intense time).

This year fell together not only with my Saturn return but also my progressed ASC changed into Capricorn.

After a few months into Capricorn, my best friend reflected how she could barely recognize me anymore. Me, who have always been kinda optimistic (everything will be well in the end, somehow), started to worry a lot about my future, about my reputation, and I started not being able to talk about anything else but my work!"

She on the other hand had always been very emotional, often worrying, always thinking that she would never manage to finish her education, that she would definitely fail, and was having really low selfconfidence, always thinking she had to take care of everyone else first.
But during that time she bloomed. She became selfconfident and dynamic and energetic, sometimes to the point of egocentricism and arrogance.
And she, who had always told me to work more disciplined, began to really bend the rules and felt frustrated whenever her schedule was in conflict with what she wanted to do for fun.

That same year her progressed ASC had changed into Leo.

posted March 21, 2010 01:59 PM         

And then, boom, suddenly it hit her; they started a relationship and got married (have been married for 5 years now).

So, why didn`t she feel it before?

At the time of their relationship and marriage:

his pr Sun trine her Venus
his pr Sun trine her Mars
his Moon trine her pr Sun
his pr Venus conjunct her DESC
his pr Venus trine her pr ASC
his pr Mars trine her pr Sun
his prASC trine her pr Sun

posted March 21, 2010 02:04 PM         

of progressions,solar arcs of Venus,Juno to Geocentric or Heliocentric Nodes of objects

I have progressed Venus in 9'35 Capricorn,and it's oppose/conjunct my Heliocentric Jupiter Nodes in 10'10 Cancer/Capricorn.

I have progressed Juno in 9'28 Libra which is squaring the heliocentric Jupiter Nodes.

If anything, it could be great for being more sociable which could lead to an important relationship. It could be a relationship partner that I could be in activities with that impact the collective like my upcoming nonprofit organization.

Solar Arc Juno is conjuncting my Sun
Solar Arc Venus is squaring my Pluto

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 21, 2010 04:21 PM         

that telephatic experience you had was really hossom!well not the part that you almost suffocated..

you know what?i completely understand what you say!i know we shouldnt be attatched to the outcomes,right?but we do look as astrology,fasninantingly analising our charts to know when,where and how?

i struggle with it too Vig---we are very alike int his,and we know what we feel,cause we´re both in a long-distance thing.

jonny also has his mars in 5th,and it is conj Uranus...and Ceres in Sag.

like you he had been learning about patience,to what it concers time of waiting for us to be really together in daily life.

it is a form of showing love too.so that is sweet. loving turns us better,and actually ive also learn a lot these last 3,5years.

posted March 21, 2010 06:10 PM         

only if you find:
- strong Solar Arcs / progressions in BOTH natals individually
- PLUS strong progressed synastric aspects

then you will have a certain likelihood of a marriage / relationship to happen.
It has to occur in all charts.