posted March 19, 2010 04:31 AM            

Also some astrologers say that the so called challenging aspects are not "bad" per se, but in fact create the most "attention".
I translate that for myself to that they are "loud" aspects, and it is hard to ignore them.
To what the attention is directed is dependent on the involved planets / angles.

So in that view / perspective aspects would not be considered negative or positive, challenging or harmonious, but only as tools to measure the degree of intensity of a particular connection.
In this way the square, conjunction, opposition would create more attention and wold become more "obvious" than trine or sextile.

of course this is only a theory, I tried to wrap into words, and it still has to be proven.

So I thought I would combine both theories and check (longstanding) relationships for challenging aspects (conjunction, square, opposition) of Venus to the ASC-axis, the MC-axis (this of course includes DESC and IC), or the rulers of ASC, DESC, MC and IC.

I`m going to use an (astro.com) orb of 3 degrees (I am lazy today and will just look at the tables), and might expand the orb of personal planets conjunct each other or angle rulers to 5 degrees (they seem to be still valid, even though kinda "loosely").

posted March 19, 2010 05:30 AM            

Venus in these aspects natally might indicate that these themes are very important for the native probably.
In the case of aspects to the IC,t he inner life or home life might be emphasized. I guess with Venus and Moon on the IC, there is a very rich emotional life.
Since Moon rules the 3rd and Venus rules the 6th as well as 1st house, maybe you could verbalise your innermost feelings very well. could make you a good writer I think.

But this is for natal - my interest int his thread is on the relationship between two people.

BTW I have it, too, natally. Venus is square IC and MC.

posted March 19, 2010 06:47 AM            

I know that some astrologers emphasize the relationships charts very much; I donīt.
and no, they are not "more" accurate.
If you are good in interpreting natals and synastries, they are accurate. Probably if you are good at interpreting composites, they will be accurate,t oo.

To me relationship charts are more interesting int erms of the "general flavour of a relationship", indicating how it would be like, if you really had a committed relationship.
But the reasons WHY you want to become involved int he first place, are very much in your natals and synastry.

BTW Karena,
someone`s Venus-Mars-mp is exactly conjunct my ASC and Mars (my IC-ruler). What does your gut feeling tell you about this?

posted March 19, 2010 11:43 AM            

Her Venus square his MC (2)
His Venus conjunct her DESC-ruler (2)
his Venus conjunct her ancient DESC-ruler (0)

[2)Brad Pitt - Angelina Jolie

His Venus conjunct her DESC (5)

(3)Henry Miller - Anais Nin

his Venus conjunct her ICruler(4)

(4) Johnny Cash - June Carter

her Venus squares his ancient ASC-ruler (0)
her Venus squares his MC-ruler (0)

(5)Johnny Depp - Vanessa Paradis

her Venus squares his Desc-ruler (2)
his Venus opposes her ancient ASC-ruler (1)
her Venus squares his ancient IC-ruler (1)

(6) Laurence Olivier - Vivien Leigh

his Venus square her MC (1)

(7)Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward

his Venus conjunct her ASC (2)
his Venus conjunct her ASC-ruler (4)

(8) Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Eastman

(her Venus semisquare his ASC (0))
his Venus square her MC (2)
(her Venus semisquare his DESC-ruler (1) )

(9) my parents

her Venus conjunct his ASC (0)
(his Venus sesisquare her ASC-ruler (0))
his Venus square her IC-ruler (1)

(10) friends of mine

her Venus square his ASC (1)
his Venus square her MC (2)
her Venus square his DESC-ruler (1)
her Venus conjunct his MC-ruler (0)
his Venus opposite her ancient MC-ruler (2)

(11) Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

his Venus square her ASC (2)
his Venus conjunct her MC (2)
her Venus square his MC_ruler (3)
his Venus opposite her IC_ruler (2)

(12) Spencer Tracey - Katherine Hepburn

her Venus square his ASC (2)
her Venus conjunct his DESC-ruler (3)
(his Venus semisquare her ASC-ruler (1))
(his Venus sesisquare her IC-ruler (1))

posted March 19, 2010 01:16 PM            

Dbag Vertex Boy:
My MC ruler conjunct his Venus

Aspergers boy:
My Venus opposite his ASC ruler
His Venus square my MC ruler

Ex:
My Venus square his MC ruler

Current boyf:
My Venus square his MC ruler
My Venus square his DSC ruler

Friends:
His Venus conjunct her ASC

posted March 19, 2010 02:33 PM            

housesystem doesn`t matter. AS the angles always stay the same.

Amowls,

I think angle-angle conjunctions are unbelievably strong.
Yet, I also think that there needs to be a "love-planet" with strong aspects, or otherwise the relationship, even though possibly extremely deep and significant, may not become a romantic one.

posted March 19, 2010 02:39 PM            

her Venus conjunct his ASC (2)
her Venus square his MC (3)
his Venus square her MC (0)
his Venus square her ASC-ruler (0) - one of their tightest aspects!
his Venus square her old IC-ruler (0)

(14) William Randolph Hearst - Marion Davies

her Venus square his ASC (1)
his Venus square her ASC-ruler (1)
his Venus conjunct her IC ruler (0)

posted March 19, 2010 04:33 PM            

My ex-husband had his Venus conjunct my MC, very close.

Current boyfriend (live-in), Venus conjunct my MC again, 1 degree. It's not quite been a year though. But it's gotten pretty serious
Our chart rulers square (Venus-Venus) as well.

posted March 19, 2010 08:01 PM            

His Venus squares My MC/IC
His Venus trines my Jupiter (ASC ruler)
His Venus trines my Neptune (IC ruler)

My Venus squares his ASC/DSC
My Venus opposes his MC
My Venus conjuncts his IC
My Venus conjuncts his Venus (DSC ruler)
My Venus quincunx his Saturn (MC ruler)
My Venus quincunx his Moon (IC ruler)
My Venus sextiles his Mars (ASC ruler)

posted March 20, 2010 07:14 AM            

MVM,

yes, actually I was thinking about making the same research including 7th house ruler (your individual Venus). And maybe even 5th house ruler.

posted April 20, 2014 04:03 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by FruityLlama:
What would you say about Venus inconjunct ASC in synastry? And sesquiquadrate MC? They're tight degrees.
Thanks.

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I actually would not consider a quincunx a minor aspect but opinions vary on that topic. As for the sesqui, in my experience minor aspects are quite powerful in synastry as long as they are in tight orb, although they do tend to take longer to manifest. Of course if they are part of an aspect pattern they are even more powerful. Also, I think people who have a number of the same minor aspect in their natal charts are more likely to notice them in synastry.

posted April 21, 2014 11:13 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by manderin:
"Not to be obtuse but if you're going to include ALL those things- conjunction, square, opposition, MC, ASC, DESC, IC.... You've just described a HUGE portion of the human population.

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posted April 21, 2014 12:03 PM            

This can get especially surprising or baffling, when there is no convincing Venus-synastry, and yet the attraction is there.

In the case of my crush on Mr Sag, he doesn`t activate my Venus, at least not so much that would explain my pull towards him (his Mars, Jupiter, Chiron and Vesta trine my Venus, but at relatively wide orb 3-5 degrees).

Anyway, what occurs though, is that my 7th house ruler is conjunct his Sun, Moon and MC. I think that suffices to explain it (the widest orb is 3 degrees).

EDIT:
I know this is not Venus-7th house ruler, but I still find it interesting.

Even more so since Moon rules his 5th house.

posted April 21, 2014 02:11 PM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Personally I am a 7th house ruler woman, too.
(maybe it is different for others).

This can get especially surprising or baffling, when there is no convincing Venus-synastry, and yet the attraction is there.

In the case of my crush on Mr Sag, he doesn`t activate my Venus, at least not so much that would explain my pull towards him (his Mars, Jupiter, Chiron and Vesta trine my Venus, but at relatively wide orb 3-5 degrees).

Anyway, what occurs though, is that my 7th house ruler is conjunct his Sun, Moon and MC. I think that suffices to explain it (the widest orb is 3 degrees).

EDIT:
I know this is not Venus-7th house ruler, but I still find it interesting.

Even more so since Moon rules his 5th house.

So I have 7th house ruler conjunct his Sun, he has 5th house ruler conjunct my Sun.

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Same here.

Me and Virgo guy don't have any strong Venus aspects (apart from his Venus sextile my Asc (2) and my Venus semi-square his Sun-Asc (0)), but you obviously know the kind of effect he has on me still.

I think the strong Desc/Desc-ruler aspects we have explains it:

his Desc conjuncts my Saturn (my Desc co-ruler) (0)
his Desc opposes my Sun (my Asc ruler) (0)
his Desc trines my IC/Moon/Mars/Jupiter (0)

his Desc-ruler (Neptune) opposes my Moon/Mars (0)
his Desc-ruler trines my Sun/MC (0-2)
his Desc-ruler sextiles my Jupiter/Saturn (0)

his Desc co-ruler (Jupiter) conjuncts my Moon/Mars (2-3)
his Desc co-ruler trines my IC/Jupiter/Saturn (1-3)
his Desc co-ruler sextiles my Sun (2)

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my Desc conjuncts his Vertex (0)
my Desc squares his Pluto (0)
my Desc trines his Venus (2)

my Desc-ruler (Uranus) trines his Moon/Mars (3-4)

my Desc co-ruler (Saturn) conjuncts his Desc (0)
my Desc co-ruler opposes his Sun (0)
my Desc co-ruler trines his Jupiter/Pluto (3)
my Desc co-ruler sextiles his Saturn/Neptune (0-1)

It makes sense because the 7th house is a Venus house after all.
Alhough I think it actually might be even more significant than Venus itself because its an angle, so its more sensitive and deeply felt.

I also feel the 7th house and its ruler(s) have a more serious, concrete and commitment-oriented vibe somehow, way less superficial than Venus.
Well atleast that's how I've experienced it compared to Venus.