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Lara Knowflake Posts: 3618 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 10:51 AM
Thanks Diablo We are mirroring each other. He is born 4 years before me and his birthday is the day after mine!ORBM - I know! This is the end of the line though. We are at exactly the same place, having done everything at the same times in our lives. Same careers, same marriages, same lives, same paths. We have cj AC's. We like all the same things, food, music, same taste, same way of talking. It's like having a cool twin LOL I have Capricorn 5th with Saturn in 8th. Pisces 7th with Neptune in 3rd. Pluto/uranus on AC. Neptune sextile pluto/uranus and both quincunx my stellium in 8th, in a yod. Maybe THAT is why??!! IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 3420 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 11:05 AM
well with uranus and pluto on your ascendant you could ride this one out but there IS a lot of uranus in the planetary synastry...just a word to the wise...IP: Logged |
Predominantlyfire Knowflake Posts: 255 From: neutralcruiser@hotmail.co.uk Registered: Dec 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 11:34 AM
quote: Predom - 1. Not 2.
Do you mean 11 not 12?IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 3649 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 11:49 AM
Lara,of your progressed aspects I think these are significant: pr AC opp n mars 2'a pr mars cj n venus 1'a his/mine pr AC opp n moon 0' pr AC opp n venus 3' pr/pr my AC cj his AC 3'a my AC trine his sun 1'a my MARS cj his sun 1'a my VENUS sq his pluto 1'a my PLUTO sq his sun 1'a There are several "hot" aspects like:
pr DESC conjunct Mars pr Mars conjunct Venus pr Mars conjunct Sun Especially the last two are probably indicative of a very strong sexual attraction. Nine wrote that about pr Mars / Sun conjunction in another thread (and I agree with her): "pnSun-pnMars is a pure rush of energy. I've had the conjunction three times; twice in Gemini, once in Cancer...WOW!!! In all three instances I was convinced I'd never seen a more beautiful person ever, ever. Of course the spell doesn't last, but for that moment...I was blown away. Sun-Mars in pSynastry may very well be the Smoke-In-Your-Eyes aspect" (I hope she doesn`t mind, I am quoting that here.) There are also some others that are more romantic and possibly relationship oriented in nature: pr DESC conjunct Moon pr DESC conjunct Venus pr Pluto square Venus pr Sun square Pluto could be tricky.
On the one hand it could trigger a strong, nearly compulsive attraction and fascination between you, one that feels fated (and probably is). You would feel as if you were under a magic spell, hypnotized to each other, but the downside of Pluto squares is that it can also reflect emotional manipulations, powerplays and issues around posessiveness and jealousy. Personally I like these aspects, even in a square, but I have Venus-Pluto square natally - I msut be a masochist. I think what is certain is that these aspects will indicate high level of intensity. I also always check for Saturn progressions to see if there is a possible commitment on the line, if they are positive, or if there may be a stifling influence, that might even block a relationship from forming, in the case of some squares and oppositions.
Uranus can also be a good indicator in progressed synastry; if there is this electric spark of overenthusiasm right from the beginning, I usually find a progression (evne in hard aspect) of Uranus to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or ASC. The downside of it is, that often if this progression has passed, you sit there and wonder: What the heck did I see in him / her? the pr ASC in conjunct and trine to Sun would be a nice factor for general complimentarity, at least for the time the progressions are in play; you would get along well, even though it is not a very romantic aspect per se. You have pretty strong Venus progressions; but I would also check if there are strong Venus aspects natally, or you could fall in love and think this is the best thing since sliced bread, and then if the Venus-progressions have passed, poof, nothing will be there to substantiate the attraction. It could literally fade into thin air. Beside the Venus aspects I would definitely also check the aspects of 5th and 7th house ruler inr egard to potential attraction (5th is more about attraction, 7th is more about relationship itself). IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3618 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 11:56 AM
Katatonic,I know there is a lot of Uranus isn't there! It is natally cj my AC though and aspects pretty much everything in my chart so i LOVE uranus IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 3649 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 11:59 AM
ON a first glance there seem to be good "friendship" and "communication" aspects like Sun / Sun, Sun/Mercury, Mercury / Mercury and Sun / Jupiter. There is also an overall emphasis on Uranus and Pluto (Venus / Uranus, Venus / Pluto, ASC / Uranus, ASC / Pluto), which would explain the strong fascination; probably there is a transformative / evolutionary "purpose" to this connection, maybe more so than a personal one-to-one love. Cause honestly "love" aspects (like in caring affectionate love) are not that many; at least the other exciting ones, including sexually intense aspects trump them easily.Moon/Mars, Venus/Mars also Venus/Uranus, Venus/PLuto, ASC/URanus, ASC/PLuto may be sexually intense and attracting you like bee to the honey, but for the caring affectionate side of a synastry I would always look out for Moon and Venus aspects especially in aspect to: Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, NN, ASC You donīt have very strong ones in that area though. But then again, you have very strong communication / similiarity / identity aspects (Sun and Mercury) as well as aspects indicating sexual chemistry (Venus and Mars in Yin - Yang connections as well as to Uranus and Pluto), so maybe that`s enough. Also, I do not know if your 7th house ruler have strong aspects to each other. Since you do not have that many strong softening Moon and Venus aspects, I would look for the aspects of ruler of 4th and 7th house espcially. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 3649 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 12:01 PM
I still think though, first of all you would need to make a list with similiar or complimentary placements between the natals. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3618 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 12:27 PM
I love pluto too. I have venus and mars in exact quincunx and exact trine to pluto. He has scorpio moon opp my mars (pluto old ruler) and my moon cj his mars!We absolutely love intensity and we are both masochists too Saturn progressions: my pr saturn cj his n mars 0' my pr saturn sextile his n venus 0' my pr saturn quincunx his n AC 1' my pr saturn opp his pr AC 3'a my pr saturn sextile his pr sun 0' his pr sun sextile my n saturn 0' his pr saturn sextile my n sun 1' his pr uranus trine my n sun 0' my pr uranus trine his pr mars 0' his n venus is sextile his mars 0' my n venus is semi sextile my mars 0' his n venus is square his AC 1' my n venus is quincunx my AC 1' my n venus sextile his n venus 0'02 my n venus cj his n mars 0'39 my n venus quintile his n NN 0'23 my n venus quincunx his n AC 1'49 my n venus sextile his n MC 0'07 his n venus sextile my moon 3'35 his n venus semi sextile my mars 0'16 his n venus sextile my jupiter 4'05 his n venus sextile my saturn 3'44 his n venus sq my uranus 3'51 his n venus sq my pluto 1'18 his n venus sq my AC 1'10 his n venus cj my MC 0'58
my 5th ruler saturn my 7th ruler neptune Both our 5th rulers are SATURN Both our 7th rulers are NEPTUNE his 5th sextile my 12th ruler, AC ruler. his 5th semi square my 5th ruler his 5th sq my 7th ruler my 5th cj his 8th ruler my 5th quincunx his 7th ruler his 7th opp my 8th ruler my 7th cj his 7th ruler
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 3618 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 12:40 PM
4th rulers are jupiter.his jupiter cj my sun/12th ruler his jupiter cj my mercury/1st ruler his jupiter trine my jupiter 4th/4th my jupiter trine his mars/8th ruler my jupiter opp his saturn/5th ruler my jupiter sq his neptune/7th ruler Remember all the aspects i initially listed were only a FIRST MEETING CHART! In composite, sun/mercury/venus/mars in 8th chiron/saturn cj in 7th on DC moon in 5th jupiter in 10th pluto/uranus in 12th cj AC AC cj both our AC's!
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 3618 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 12:48 PM
quote: I would always look out for Moon and Venus aspects especially in aspect to: Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, NN, ASC
You are right. his moon quincunx my saturn his moon cj my neptune his venus sextile my moon/venus/jupiter/saturn my moon/venus sextile his venus my moon/venus cj his jupiter sextiles and trines are better in the caring department, so i've read. What are your thoughts on this please DD?
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glamgem25 Knowflake Posts: 309 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 12:50 PM
Thanks Vapor!IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 1059 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 01:09 PM
Its good that you have good synastry aspects between just planets you have enough to be stoked about already even before you add asteroids.IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3618 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 01:13 PM
Exactly. to be fair, i only initially put up the 1st meeting chart LOL I haven't even looked at synastry asteroids yet! IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 782 From: US Registered: Dec 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 01:14 PM
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DD Knowflake Posts: 3649 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 01:15 PM
"sextiles and trines are better in the caring department, so i've read. What are your thoughts on this please DD?"Conjunctions, trines, sextiles. Conjunctions within 3 degrees preferably (but I would also consider 4 degrees) Trines and sextiles within 2 degrees (I would definitely not consider a sextile with 4 degrees, especially if it includes a generational planet). Sextiles with 3 degrees are very very weak, hardly noticeable. Trines with 3 degrees may be noticeable though, yet I prefer 1 or 2 degrees. Oppositions can be attracting at first; and some may actually be positive (Jupiter-Venus or Jupiter-Moon for example). Also squares between Jupiter and Venus would not be that bad, may just denote an overly enthusiastic attitude and the tendency to indulge too much. But oppositions or squares of the sensitive Moon to "harsh" energies like Mars, Saturn, Uranus or Pluto can be too tumultous for Moon. Even though having said that moon-Mars and Moon-Pluto may be extra intense.
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 3618 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 01:27 PM
Yes Ami although it might be sooner now!! DD, I read a lot online that twin soul and close soul mate aspects tend to have sextiles instead of anything else between moon/venus. This is because the energy is slow and steady, which is better for a deep, intimate relationship. ?
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DD Knowflake Posts: 3649 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 01:29 PM
One word: strong connections will be indicated by strong aspects (conjunction, opposition, trine, square with an occasional sextile; but a relationship only built on quinkunx, semisextile, semisquare and quintiles and even sextiles, may not have enough substance to endure; unless you like some distance to your partner). strong progressions:
"my pr saturn cj his n mars 0' my pr saturn opp his pr AC 3'a" The Saturn sextiles are nice, but probably more indicative of a lasting friendship than a true committed bond between relationship partners. It will be interesting if your pr Saturn conjuncts his pr DESC - this could be a breaking point, or at least a "decision-point". Either you break it off at that point, or you decide that you will want to have a longterm relationship. With Saturn it is really this either-or thing: either you will become committed or you will break up. Saturn does not like affairs! Your Saturn on his Mars, mmh, I don`t know, could be stabilizing, or frustrating for him. "his pr uranus trine my n sun 0' my pr uranus trine his pr mars 0'" Pleasantly extiting. But not unbearably strong. So, the connection you feel does not seem to be ONLY a case of misleading excitement and enthusiasm with no substance.
Even though sometimes Uranus trines can point to that, too. But probably only if there are no other strong aspects, too, then they become the strongest influence. I once had a weird encounter with a musical singer (for once not gay ) and we chatted for a while. And there was a strangely flirtative athmosphere, but nothing ever came out of it. I wouldn`t have wanted it anyway. We were having pretty strong natal synastry, but almost no progressed synastry except for his pr Venus exactly trine my Uranus and his pr Eros exactly conjunct my pr Psyche. The Venus-Uranus one was probably indicative of that nice, flirtative, unusual, fleeting encounter. "Both our 5th rulers are SATURN Both our 7th rulers are NEPTUNE" Makes sense if you both are Virgo risers.
I am only pointing out those I consider strongest: "his 5th sq my 7th ruler" Never know how to weigh squares with rulers. Some say they are too challenging and show a misfit, some say they just grab your attention in intense ways, sometimes it is getting too intense, but it is impossible to ignore each other (I tend to agree with the second opinion). Probably intensely romantic, but maybe the road to romance will not run smoothly. "y 5th cj his 8th ruler" That is an unbelievably strong one. How close is the orb? Pure sexual attraction, but more than that. Well, 5th and 8th have both to do with sex. 5th house is more playful and romantic though (you), while for the 8th house owner (his) the attraction reaches deep into his soul. It`s not at all a play to him, but a "little death". And probably the 8th house person sees more meaning in the relationship than the 5th house person, even though the 5th house person finds much to enjoy in it, too. But for the 5th house it is more about enjoyment and pleasure, while for the 8th house it is about a complete merging and forging of a possibly everlasting bond.
"his 7th opp my 8th ruler" Intensely passionate. An individual Venus-Pluto-opposition.
"my 7th cj his 7th ruler" Like a Venus-Venus-conjunction in regards to relationships. You have much in common there.
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DD Knowflake Posts: 3649 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 01:31 PM
BTW don`t forget your 12th house rulers are conjunct. Great for spiritual connections.IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 782 From: US Registered: Dec 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 01:35 PM
I am really excited to hear what happens, Lara. You deserve everything good! Ami IP: Logged |
Diablo Knowflake Posts: 248 From: Melbourne, Australia Registered: May 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 03:04 PM
double post u are not welcome!!IP: Logged |
Diablo Knowflake Posts: 248 From: Melbourne, Australia Registered: May 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 03:08 PM
Good stuff, Lara it sounds like a positive start. Just take it easy, chill and enjoy with a totally objective mind, (hard with the taurus influence, i know i know). Sending you nice thoughts of good times I can say so cos with my t/s, we're EXACTLY 5 months apart, born on the same date but with him in Jan and me in June, so every 6 months, its either one of our birthdays in Summer or Winter and the start of the year or the middle of the year. Plus, he has the same name as my dad, their bdays are 5 days apart and are both the middle children in their families and i have the female version of his dad's name, who's bday is just under a month after mine. How's that for mirroring? lol shame we're not together..yet. That's been 2.5yrs in the making..very slow burning energy. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 3649 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 03:18 PM
Lara,I have read a lot, too, about twinflames, their astrology, what they are and so on; that doesn`t mean they got it right. WEll, sorry, if that sounds harsh, but I just MUST go according to my own gut feeling. And according to what twinflames as well as the aspects symbolize. Twinflame: Same energy they say Sextiles is not the same energy (it combines different elements and different modalities. If Twinflames are really about the same energy, then it probably would make sense to mainly check for conjunctions and trines (same elements). Which interestingly are the aspects (along with the opposition) that seem to be strongest in progressed synastry, too. But really, honestly, if I were to find a system to discern twinflames (luckily I donīt have to ), I would start with the natals. I would expect to find dominant similiarities and complimentary aspects / placements, like him having Mars conjunct Pluto and her havein Venus opposite Pluto for example. And I would expect to find this mirrored in the synastric aspects, too.
Actually what I read about Twinflames just recently is t hat they are of the "same energy", but complimentary, Yin-Yang expressions / bodies (female-male). Energy is for me reflected by aspects, the expressions are reflected by the planets. That is why I predonimantly look for conjunctions / trines (sameness) between Yin-Yang planets.
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popcorn Knowflake Posts: 954 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 04:16 PM
Gratulation Lara. I wish you the best and a nice love spring .I've also meet a man. Englishman living i norway. I've not checked out our synastry or progressed chart before now. My feelings grow all the time. There are so strong attraction between us. He cant take his hands off me. I miss him all the time. We are two leos his sun/eros conj my eros 0-2 his psyche conj my SUN/AC 2-3 his psyche opp my psyche 0-1 his venus conj my Sun/AC 1-2 DW pluto venus his pluto square my venus 0-1 my pluto semisextil his venus 0-1 His PR mars retr 12 degree aqua opp my SA venus 12 His PR venus conj his N pluto sep His PR venus square my N venus 0-1 sep His SA venus conj my union 0-1 sep His SA venus conj my afrodite 0-1 appl He say all the time I'm so buityful His SA mars opp my SA sun/AC 0-1 My PR venus conj his N venus 2 degree appl My SA venus conj his N venus 0-1 sep My PR venus 10,02 conj my N AC 10,42/sun 10,47 leo My PR venus sextil his N uranus 0-1 My SA mars conj his N sun 0-1 appl
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venus in gemini Knowflake Posts: 446 From: Florida Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 05:43 PM
Lara, Is this the guy that is married, but is unhappy in the marriage?IP: Logged |
Predominantlyfire Knowflake Posts: 255 From: neutralcruiser@hotmail.co.uk Registered: Dec 2009
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posted March 24, 2010 05:52 PM
quote: Lara, Is this the guy that is married, but is unhappy in the marriage?
No that's guy number 9. This is guy number 3.IP: Logged | |