posted March 28, 2010 02:55 PM         

... In case anyone feels offended by what I said on the first page and is convinced that we don't create our enemies, think about this:

Our chart doesn't show the behaviour of others, it only shows our behaviour and the way we percieve things. We simply can't see other people in a chart, just the way we experience other people.

So, ohmybaby, you experience the Saturn in 7th yourself, no one exerts it for you.

posted March 28, 2010 02:58 PM         

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Better you have Open ones then Secret ones like me....with Saturn in the 12th. =)

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I have Saturn in 12th too, even conjunct Sun. I have no enemies, not even hidden ones. There are only people who annoy me. I suppose I'm my own enemy, though. With Saturn constantly breathing down my neck, a little voice telling me to work harder, that I'm no good...

Gotta love Saturn.

posted March 29, 2010 01:42 AM         

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I have Saturn in 12th too, even conjunct Sun. I have no enemies, not even hidden ones. There are only people who annoy me. I suppose I'm my own enemy, though. With Saturn constantly breathing down my neck, a little voice telling me to work harder, that I'm no good...

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I was being facetious.

posted March 29, 2010 04:10 AM         

For example, having Saturn in the 12th makes you your own secret enemy, but for me, its my Mars opposing Neptune, and my Mars being in my 3rd house which is ruled by Gemini...my mind doesn't shut up and used to torture and torment me until i got older and studied psychology to understand my own mind.

Because of that, i believe that aspect symbolises my mind being my own worst enemy and cos my Mars is in Cancer, my emotions are very volatile and intense and can be very destructive and in the past I've turned to drugs to stimulate my mind and make it hallucinate then again to quiet down the static buzzing in there with valium, xanex, sleeping pills, etc etc

posted March 29, 2010 04:46 AM         

Thankfully, Mercury sextilling Venus and trining Saturn has taught me how to speak and communicate and think rationally and know the difference between thought/behaviour/emotion because I made it my mission to channel this energy properly and learn how to make it work properly for me.

Now people tell me I should be a motivational speaker or to come and talk to someone they're having trouble with..comes with learning to be a psychologist i guess, lol.

Don't feel so bad about those 12th house placements, seriously. Ok, so i dont have any planets in there personally..but my 12th house is ruled by Pisces but I've had some pretty intense experience with the 12th house. My t/f has his Mars and Venus in there and it's taken us just over 2 had a half yrs from meeting each other to get to this point now, where we can actually be together and around each other.

But in that period of when i met him to now, its been so fkn intense..lots of self-undoing from both our parts, lots of big secrets (like, the kind that shadows over our lives, not of our own creation), institutions of all sorts are a kind of theme of our lives (not mental ones, hahaha), hurting each other, betraying each other, lying to each other, constantly testing with mind games and twisting circumstances...now, since Mars has gone direct, its done a full 360 and things are the complete opposite now.

From memory, you are a nurse and/or in the health care field, right? That would be very draining on someone who has Cancer placements, I used to work in disabled care and it burned me out after 1.5yrs..just giving and giving and giving energy without taking any for yourself.

Working as a nurse or health care professional of any sort is very 12th house (hospitals, institutions), maybe your Saturn is in there because you had to learn to how direct this energy properly and to balance it, like i had to with my Mercury?? I would think having Saturn in there would be positive in the sense that it "restricts" and "limits" self-undoing??

posted March 29, 2010 01:24 PM         

I actually have 3 planets and 1 asteroid in the 12th. My only other house that is that active is the 6th house. I try to see the bright side of it, but man...its been tough these days. Transiting Pluto's been in this house for a few years now and everytime it hits one of my planets, its like tornado went through a huge emotional garbage bin. Everything is always a complete mess afterwards.

Yes, I do work in Healthcare and on the Nightshift (now that's really 12th housey). My floor isn't as bad as others, but I still need downtime, which is why I cherish my days off. Though Occasionally I get floated to the Geriatric/Cardiac Unit or the 4th Floor and that really does me in. *__*

posted March 29, 2010 01:53 PM         

is it only abuse because when a three year old is beaten or raped that they percieve it as wrong and bad? if they percieve it as normal and good, is it then...normal and good??

there is a definate flaw in that mentality, our perception, sometimes people actually do serve up a **** box for dinner and try to feed it to us. no matter how we percieve it, it's still a **** box.

i guess the answer will be, we asked for it by soul contract somewhere in floaty land where we all decide who will be paying back who this time around, as an abused child probobly did something really bad at some point in some life prior to being born. somehow, deserving a shitbox in a 2 year old body this time around.

it is so much easier than just realizing some people are cruel and mean and do things to others that are not deserved for no other reason than to satisfy thier hunger to maliciously hurt another person. the reality is, there are people like that out there, random things can and do happen, and some people get bad things happen to them that they did not ask for and do not deserve.

just like the mentality that i imagine i was raped in another lifetime, so i know how someone who has been raped feels. sorry. you don't. not a chance.

sometimes you don't ask for a shitbox, ya just get one.

posted March 29, 2010 02:26 PM         

****... In case anyone feels offended by what I said on the first page and is convinced that we don't create our enemies, think about this:

Our chart doesn't show the behaviour of others, it only shows our behaviour and the way we percieve things. We simply can't see other people in a chart, just the way we experience other people.****

posted March 29, 2010 02:29 PM         

it wasn't about what either one of you had posted.