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Topic: For Diablo: Sigmund Freud and Carl Gustav Jung
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bonadea33
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From: With mountains around
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posted April 01, 2010 03:39 AM
 
Hi Diablo,Here you have: Sigmund Freud, Natal Chart:
 Carl Gustav Jung, Natal Chart:
 Sigmund and Carl Gustav, Synastry Chart:
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bonadea33
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From: With mountains around
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posted April 01, 2010 03:47 AM
They have better Synastry than many couples (men and women).
Both Saturn have only good aspects.
Both Moon have good aspects.
Sigmund Sun conjunction Carl Gustav Moon in Sigmund's 7th: that is good for married couples.
Venus trine Neptune;
Saturn sextile Venus and
more. The rest I leave to you. I had no idea, that they were in so close relationship. Bobbie ------------------
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bonadea33
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posted April 01, 2010 03:51 AM
More about CG Jung and S.Freud: timeline
http://oaks.nvg.org/eg4ra5.html -Good luck with study both of them.
I like very much: Dr. Sigmund Freud. B. ------------------
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bonadea33
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From: With mountains around
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posted April 01, 2010 04:05 AM
Here are other Natal Charts with many Asteroids. Carl Gustav Jung:
 Sigmund Freud:
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Diablo
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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posted April 01, 2010 12:40 PM
OMG Bonadea..you have no idea how much i appreciate this, seriously. Since I've put the question out there I've had great help by everybody and was happy to just get the birth times, this is even better!  I'm seriously gonna be spending many hours on this hehe. I promise to sit down and have a look at your 3 return charts first thing tomorrow when i wake up, its pretty late here in the morning here.
I'm nowhere near as good as most ppl on this forum but i will give it my hardest try before i even have a look at the charts that you have posted up. Your charts come first. God bless you IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 02, 2010 03:46 AM
Both have luminaries in strong aspect to Uranus & Neptune.I love Jung's theories and analyses and just love studying his work for yrs ~ Our Asc/Dsc are opposed (!) and his Sun's on my Asc, and most of all his Jupiter sits on my Mars conj Saturn in H3 (of study and thought). No wonder I love his writings so much! Plus my Merc is conj his Asc, his Mars conj my Neptune, his PoF conj my Jupiter, his Venus conj my NN. This is awesome. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 02, 2010 03:53 AM
There are asteroids called Jung and Freud.
Raymond
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Glaucus
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posted April 02, 2010 03:56 AM
I see the Uranian Astrology hypothetical transneptunian planets are in the charts. ------------------
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Diablo
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posted April 02, 2010 04:04 AM
I study psychology and have come across both (they have Psychoanalysis as a subject as uni but let me tell you, very expensive and long and impractical if we did therapy the way Freud did..you need at least 2-3 sessions a week..something a little bit of hypnotherapy and Cognitive Behaviour therapy can do much much quicker. Interesting subject to do though, of course you take some of its techniques)I was in the library and my attention was drawn to the closest shelf, it was all Freud and Jung books. I picked up one that dissects and analysis his writing for modern times, another that goes into depth on Freud's views on issues and topics and another.. Its Carl Jung's autobiography..the old book thats bound in red. A couple of weeks later, i was talking to a friend who has read it and she said that there is only 100 copies of that book left in the world. I feel like i'm holding a very precious treasure. I'm seriously going to tell the library that i lost the book and pay for it. Its not like me to do something like that, i cannot steal (which is why i'll pay for the loss of it) but i feel like this rare book needs to be in my hands to be cared for and passed down through the generations. That's what started this inquiry...then i started asking people on here for birth times and the response has been fantastic. Your all amazing people. IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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From: Clinton, SC USA
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posted April 02, 2010 04:10 AM
Holy crap. Carl Jung's chart is amazing looking!IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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posted April 02, 2010 04:18 AM
Diablo! That is so weird! When I was 19, I stole Carl Jungs Autobiography from the school library because I liked the book so much. IP: Logged |
Diablo
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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posted April 02, 2010 04:46 AM
hahaha so you are one other owner of one of these red books, the one recorded by Aniela Jaffe? Its called Memories, Dreams, Reflection.I am Jungian, not Freudian..your either one or the other whilst taking the important things from the theory you rejected, i have found. I just think Jung was another entity all together seperate to the human race, this man had a psychotic episode and he managed to write down and record everything that he seen, felt, heard..that is amazing. I don't think any human being has ever achieved this! That's probably why his chart looks amazing. I was always so fascinated by the relationship between Freud and Jung..they're were more intense than Romeo and Juliet!! Talk about the War of Roses hahaha. That's why i wanted to have a look at their synastry too, they used to write these amazing long letters back and forth..they achieved many amazing, pioneering discoveries about the human mind and psyche when the world knew nothing about it before they "broke up" and did amazing things as individuals. These 2 men really did change the world, way before the hippy revolution and the 60s lol. And all at a time when things were in the dark, during the World Wars, before 1900 (Freud had already made some discoveries in neuropsych that are true to this day, such as the discovery of aphasia and infantile paralysis) Seeing as there's 2 asteroids named after them, I'm gonna do my chart and see where they are placed, seeing as psychology is my WHOLE life and always has been. There's an asteroid named after my twin flame and funnily enough, it falls into my 4th house...since the first time we met he's always seen me as his wife/mother of his children/queen..so it'd be interesting to see where the Jung and Freud asteroids fall in my natal chart. So glad to see that this has other ppl interested too!
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Diablo
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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posted April 02, 2010 04:49 AM
Weird, my luminaries are in strong aspect to uranus, neptune and pluto too. I'm sooo gonna compare my chart to theirs! I swear i am the both of them reincarnated.I noticed the mercury in the Freud's 4th..i have mine in their too..that would totally explain how his thinking, communication and thoughts were all based on the mother, the basis of all this theories that the a child's first love object is their mother and that as a teenager, the child feels incestuous feelings towards her and wants to replace his father in the relationship.. Ooooh weee i could produce a book on the studying of their charts and how it relates and links to their theories and work. Lol there's a goal for when i'm 50..this is the beginning of it, i think hahaha IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 02, 2010 12:12 PM
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Weird, my luminaries are in strong aspect to uranus, neptune and pluto too
This is important because it means you're personally in tune with collective energies and can see clearly how they operate (my opinion!) I have similar placements so I agree with you, but that red bound copy, you mean it's only the red bound copy that's rare, right, cos the text is still in print? But I've done the same thing with only a few bks from the library, and I did pay the cost to replace  You probably have interesting synastry with them too! Raymond should get what I'm saying re:collective energies since he has many outer planet energies strong as well. Jung is #11518
Frued, #4342
Annafreud, #11299 Jung is in Pisces H8 trine Jupiter in Scorpio H4, my Jupiter conj his PoF, explains why it's so much fun for me
Annafreud conj my Uranus in H5, another expression of entertainment. Jung is such the Aquarius rising, True Amazing Original!
Interesting Mc ruler Pluto (not surprised) is in H3, is it conj the Ic too..? That's another sign of being in tune heavily with collective energies after a period of almost being forced back inside one's self, they then come back out renewed and with major insight, that's actually one of the textbook interpretations, since Ic is the most inner part of the horoscope and Pluto conj once it comes to know itself, rock bottom, can know 'all'. Sun square Neptune, v.tight = 'Memories, Dreams, Reflections' an autobiography
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Sanchenuss
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From: Clinton, SC USA
Registered: Nov 2009
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posted April 02, 2010 12:47 PM
I stole Memories dreams and reflections but the REd Book is different. They JUST released the red book. It has his drawings and what not. Its really expensive. You can buy it on Amazon for like 200 dollars I think. Carl Jung was the man who got me involved in the crazy world that I am in today. If he wasn't for him, I probably would have been a clueless rich sucessful buisnessman who spends his life cheating on his wife and doing the same to the general public. Jung put into perspective what I was going through at a troubling time as he did with so many other people.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 02, 2010 12:50 PM
That's great, S.! He opened my eyes to much as well!You made me curious now, I want to get a look @ that Red Book. IP: Logged |
Diablo
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From: Melbourne, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted April 02, 2010 02:42 PM
I got the red book, its mine now  IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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posted April 02, 2010 05:54 PM
isn't it ironic that I don't have the red book.IP: Logged |
Diablo
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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posted April 02, 2010 06:13 PM
Which one do you have?? are there others?? omg!IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss
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posted April 02, 2010 07:07 PM
Jung has all kinds of books. I have one he did investigating the paranormal. He has book on symbols. I have one of his books on the psychology of the unconscious and I have another book that is a collection of his interviews and encounters with people. I also have this book called "The secret of the golden flower" in which he provides commentary for Richard Wilhelm's interpretation of Eastern Meditation and the I Ching. He even has a video on amazon that is a recording of the "Houston Films" interview. IP: Logged |
bonadea33
Knowflake Posts: 146
From: With mountains around
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted April 03, 2010 04:07 AM
Hi Diablo,Here is Natal Chart from Anna Freud:
 I don't know much about Anna, except that she was there when her father has got injection from his good friend.
I have read Biography about Dr. Sigmund Freud: the first 20 (about) pages, the centre and last 20 pages. Just to know, how he died. I am not "in love" with psyhoanalysis. Hope, I did help you a bit. Bobbie IP: Logged |
Diablo
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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posted April 03, 2010 04:44 AM
Anna Freud was his biggest experiment, he used psychoanalysis on his own daughter and she continued developing his theories after his died.
They had a very strange relationship, and the therapy that went on between was not ethical by today's standards, especially since his theory was based children having incestuous feelings for their opposite sex parent without being aware of itIP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 03, 2010 05:00 AM
Yea I'd say their relationship was unusual.
Her Sun (also IC ruler) is @ 11 deg Sagittarius directly opposed her Pluto @ 11 Gemini. The Plutonian father in cases like this pulls no punches.
I really don't envy her..
His NN, Venus, Pluto, Sun, Uranus, Mercury ALL in her 12th (!)
Wow.
His Sun conj Uranus in Taurus opp her Mars conj Uranus in Scorpio.
Their synastry is a bit creepy, imo.
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Diablo
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posted April 03, 2010 06:09 AM
Looking at their relationship, i would say that its most definitely an incestuous relationship without the incestuous sex.Pluto definitely would be responsible, as with Uranus..(rebellion, the weirdness in people) Yo Sanch, the red book is his actual biography. He was famous for being intensely private so his actual biography, where he let himself be interviewed and recorded is actually very rare. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted April 03, 2010 04:50 PM
I am going to check the big transneptunians besides Pluto in their charts later on....especially in Jung's.I am very sure that he's strong in them. ------------------
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