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cherle
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posted April 03, 2010 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think she's an attention wh--- overcompensating for her deep, unrelenting insecurities and fear of being inadequate and unimportant. She's not an impressive singer, and I'm not terribly impressed with her songwriting either, which is pretty weak and gimmicky. And every picture I see of her, she seems to be hiding herself from our view, like she can't tolerate people seeing who she really is. Kind of sad for her as a person; really annoying as someone who wants to be a celebrity.

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posted April 03, 2010 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Duke, you see to me, that wasn't art. It was pretty gimmicky to be honest. There was nothing unique about it. I actually thought of the movie Cloverfield when it was over. But that's just my opinion. Not trying at all to knock your tastes.

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wow! i just realized u and i have venus in the 29th degree in cancer.. same here. mine's conjuncts moon in leo at 0 though..

anywho, back to gaga, yeah, she does hide.. moon conjunct south node.. they're unbelievably emotional and even needy.

eh, idk.. i think it's because i take the time to probably analyze every one of her songs and video to such an extent that i feel i get it. she's very deep. and she puts up a great front. nonetheless, i admire her.

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posted April 03, 2010 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lady Gaga is well...different I suppose, but I don't think she's talented. As others have said, she seems too gimicky and it looks like she's trying too hard to be different just to get attention rather than just being herself--whatever that is.

If she were truly talented, she would just let her music speak for itself rather than try to be outrageous.

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posted April 03, 2010 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duke - she turned 24 like myself! Just letting you know lol

Got Gemini - I agree with basically everything you said about her.

I look at her and often see a product. I'm not sure she understands the politics of her image.. And I'm not sure she is the author of her image. She thinks she is showing the world "strong" persona.. a "strong" woman.
But for me - she comes off like a sexualized marionette.

She would never want to be that imo ^^
But I think she is too stupid or too drugged to realize that she is becoming that.

The Beyoncee video is very sexual - It's every GUY's fantasy.

I don't like that about it. I think way too much female-centered media is aimed at providing men sexual satisfaction - starting with porn films, passing through the music industry and ending in Hollywood.

I find it revolting. If it was just a portion - it wouldn't bother me.. because then it would show a *facet* of "the woman".. But there are so many other facets to being a woman - that are not represented.

But Lady Gaga does not know that. If someone asked her about it and she replied in all honesty - I think she'd say that it's all about female sexuality being liberated - being out there.. about women being strong and unafraid to put it all on display. bla bla

I see PINK for instance as someone who *sends* that message ^^ Or comes closer to it than others do.. But definitely not Lady Gaga.

She just doesn't get the "behind the scenes" factor.. She doesn't see the people maneuvering her marionette's self. That is my impression and that is why I see her as unintelligent.. maybe naive is a better way to put it.

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posted April 03, 2010 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
maybe what she's been doing is making up for a strict Roman Catholic upbringing. She is definitely no dummy. She was a good student. She doesn't seem to be honest about her past. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga


I checked her chart from the 21st Century Astrological perspective.

I don't put much emphasis on zodiac signs and houses which I have doubts about and are relative based on the astrological system. Some use the sidereal zodiac and different house systems.


I think that her retrograde Mercury indicates her hard to pin down intelligence and possible issues with communications at times.

Her Mercury is the last planet that rises before the Sun. Therefore,Mercury is her oriental planet,guiding planet.

"As Guiding Planet, Mercury suggests inner guidance in the form of an intuitive sense of the connections and associations existing between people and things. As Guiding Planet, Mercury acts in a more electric, instinctual and intuitive sense than it does in its aspect as Skill Planet. Yet, true to the dual nature of Mercury, the highly active mental and analytical activities of Mercury may get in the way when it comes to tuning into the more abstract, guiding qualities of the planet. Surface noise and distractions may first need quieting with the help of relaxation, contemplation and meditation. " http://www.khaldea.com/planets/oriental_mercury.shtml


Her retrograde Mercury trine the Geocentric North Saturn in 17'18 Cancer and the Geocentric North Pluto Node in 18'45 Cancer which indicates her thought processes are in harmony with collective discipline,structure and collective transformation,intensity. It's a combination that can indicate deep,penetrating,serious,analytical thought processes.
Pluto being transneptunian dwarf planet, evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences involving communications. metaphysically oriented thought processes

Her Mercury squares transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Varuna in 20'03 Gemini which can indicate deep,metaphysically oriented thought processes, but there could issues dealing with judgment,justice. Evolutionary intensifed lessons involving communications. Varuna was named after the preVedic God of the Oceans who presided over the souls of the dead. He was depicted as carrying a noose.
In Right Ascension, the orb is 52 minutes of arc.

Her Mercury squares Uranus-Varuna opposition which can indicate unusual,metaphysical,nonconformist thinking

Her Mercury trines transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Ixion in 20'20 Scorpio which can indicate deep,metaphysically oriented thought processes. Ixion is a plutino like Pluto,and so its astronomically similar. Therefore,it's astrologically similar. The thinking can be at ease when it comes second chances,dealing with issues requiring gratitude,discernment,and understanding the karmic wheel. Ixion is named after the Lapith King who was punished for betraying Zeus' trust by his sexual advancements towards Hera and he fathered the lusty centaurs.
In Right Ascension, the orb is 1'15.

Her Mercury trine transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Quaoar in 20'49 Scorpio which can indicate deep,metaphysically oriented though processes. It can indicate an inspiringly creative type of mind. Quaoar is named after the Tongva Creation God who sang and dance to create stuff.
In Right Ascension, the orb is 1'09.


With her Mercury linked to 4 big transneptunians, her thinking is highly deep,metaphysically oriented to the point that her mind,intelligence is hard to pin down. A rightbrained,nonlinear type and not a leftbrained,linear type.

Her Mercury sextiles/trines Heliocentric Mercury Nodes in 18'09 Taurus and Heliocentric Mars Nodes in 19'26 Taurus which indicates her thinking,communications is connected to collective thinking,communications(can include media) and collective assertion,passion.

She has a maximum effectiveness with Mercury sextile/trine its heliocentric nodes. It can indicate a mind that is perceptive,intelligent,curious.

Her Mars trines transneptunian dwarf planet, Makemake in 29'52 Leo. That indicates her physical drive,passion are linked to a deep,metaphysical orientation as well as evolutionary intensified lessons. It can indicate a creative drive too. Makemake is named after the Rapanui Fertility Creation God.

Her Mars contraparallel transneptunian dwarf planet, Haumea. That also indicates her physical drive,passion are linked to a deep,metaphysical orientation as well as evolutionary intensified lessons. It can indicae a creative drive too. Haumea is named after the Hawaiian Fertility Creation Goddess.

If she was born in the afternoon

Her Sun would be conjunct/oppose the geocentric,heliocentric Quaoar Nodes.
That would indicate a strong connection to collective inspiring creativity.


Her birthtime is unknown and so no way of knowing transneptunian dwarf planet,dwarf planet candidate aspects to her Moon,Ascendant,and Midheaven.

overall, she has strong transneptunian energies..especially involving her Mercury which indicate her thought processes aren't of the norm, and could get her to be mistaken for not being intelligent even though she is quite intelligent but in a rightbrained way.


I think that she's pretty cool for her philanthropy and her openmindedness like she doesn't look down on gay people. She is grateful for her fans in the gay community. She is bisexual herself,and she's not ashamed of it.

She has Venus conjunct Eris within 2 degrees in Right Ascension. It can indicate her having a divergent,equality oriented love nature,values that can be controversial,discordant to those that uphold the status quo.

She even has Eris conjunct the Sun/Venus midpoint within 1 degree which also can indicate the same thing as well as involving her self expression and overall creativity.


She often refers to her fans as her 'Little Monsters' and got a tattoo with that inscription as a tribute.[84] She has another six known tattoos,[85] among them a peace symbol which was inspired by the late John Lennon who The Guardian stated was her "hero,"[86] and a curling German script on her left arm which quotes the poet Rainer Maria Rilke, her "favorite philosopher," commenting that his "philosophy of solitude" spoke to her:[87]

In the deepest hour of the night, confess to yourself that you would die if you were forbidden to write. And look deep into your heart where it spreads its roots, the answer, and ask yourself, must I write?
—Rainer Maria Rilke

A blond woman speaking on a kiosk. She wears a white shirt and black glasses. Behind her, the balcony of a building is visible.
Gaga delivers a speech at the National Equality March, October 11, 2009.

Lady Gaga attributes much of her early success as a mainstream artist to her gay fans and is considered to be a rising gay icon.[88][89] Early in her career she had difficulty getting radio airplay, and stated, "The turning point for me was the gay community. I've got so many gay fans and they're so loyal to me and they really lifted me up. They'll always stand by me and I'll always stand by them. It's not an easy thing to create a fanbase."[90] She thanked FlyLife, a Manhattan-based LGBT marketing company with whom her label Interscope works, in the liner notes of her debut studio album, The Fame, saying, "I love you so much. You were the first heartbeat in this project, and your support and brilliance means the world to me. I will always fight for the gay community hand in hand with this incredible team."[91] One of her first televised performances was in May 2008 at the NewNowNext Awards, an awards show aired by the LGBT television network Logo, where she sang her song "Just Dance".[92] In June of the same year, she performed the song again at the San Francisco Pride event.[93] After The Fame was released, she revealed that the song "Poker Face" was about her bisexuality. In an interview with Rolling Stone, she spoke about how her boyfriends tended to react to her bisexuality, saying "The fact that I’m into women, they’re all intimidated by it. It makes them uncomfortable. They’re like, 'I don’t need to have a threesome. I’m happy with just you'."[94] When she appeared as a guest on The Ellen DeGeneres Show in May 2009, she praised DeGeneres for being "an inspiration for women and for the gay community".[95] She proclaimed that the October 11, 2009 National Equality March rally on the national mall was "the single most important event of her career." As she exited, she left with an exultant "Bless God and bless the gays,"[53] similar to her 2009 MTV Video Music Awards acceptance speech for Best New Artist a month earlier.[96]
Philanthropy

Aside from recording music, Lady Gaga contributed to a number of charities and causes throughout her career. In the wake of the 2010 Haiti earthquake there were numerous celebrities working together for the cause of helping restore what had been destroyed, and also helping those left to survive. Gaga donated all of her proceeds from the January 24 show of her current tour, the Monster Ball (ticket sales, merchandise, etc.), and from her online store; the total amount donated was over $500,000.[97] She has also been very proactive with raising awareness to young women about the risk of HIV/AIDS. Along with recording artist Cyndi Lauper, Gaga teamed up with MAC AIDS Fund's VIVA Glam campaign, which raised over $160 million to fight against AIDS and HIV, and bring awareness about the diseases to women around the world.[98] All proceeds from a purchase of a VIVA Glam lipgloss or lipstick go directly towards the fund to aid those infected with the disease.[99] In a statement, Gaga said that, "We want women to feel strong and feel strong enough that they can remember to protect themselves. To have this lipstick as a reminder in your purse, that when your man is laying naked in bed, you go into the bathroom, you put your lipstick on, and you bring a condom out with you...There are no exceptions."[100]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga

She has Sun square Neptune which can indicate not only a highly sensitive,imaginative type, but can also be creative. She can also be hard to pin down in a confusing way. She could have confusion about herself and self deception at times.

Dane Rudhyar said that hard aspects to outer planets can indicate an unconventional type.


I definitely believe that hard aspects to the transneptunian dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates can indicate a highly nonconformist type that mainsteam society might look down upon. I think that this goes definitely for Eris which can be highly controversial and discordant and Sedna which can be so strange with its "out of this world" nature.

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posted April 03, 2010 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked at her Numerology which can also show insights.

I prefer Pythagorean Numerology.
especially Decoz's type.


looking at her birthdate

3 - 26 - 1986

3 + 8 + 6 = 17/8

8 is her lifepath which is about the ability to be a leader,accumulate great wealth,and be in management

In regards to 17,it is spiritual growth, faith, and balance. It is also wealth or bankruptcy. It is an inner struggle to remain true to spiritual and moral values.

26 is her birthday number which also is an 8, and so it adds to the theme of her lifepath
In regards to 26, it is excellent in business and management. It is a good strategist, a workaholic, and is often disorganized in personal affairs.


She is currently in 3 1st period cycle that is from her birth to her 33rd year. It is a time for her to be creative,artistic,and express herself.


Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta

Her Expression number based on her birthname is 22 which is the master builder

Her Heart's Desire number based on the vowels in her name is 11 which is inspiration,most intuitive of numbers

Her Personality number based on the consonants in her name is 11 which is inspiration,most intuitive of numbers


Her Maturity Number which is combination of her lifepath and expression numbers is 3.
That adds to the theme of creativity,art,and expressing self.


She's really living her path.

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posted April 03, 2010 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a gay man, I must put up with hearing about Lady Gaga constantly. And every time I click on a guy's page/profile on a social networking site or gay men I have to hear her songs for the 9 millionth time.(and I am into rock/metal) I don't hate her...in fact she is more unique than most pop stars, and she works very hard to get where she is. I have seen her on myspace thanking her fans, and she seems truly grateful for their support. She also *gasps* sings during her concerts while performing -- unlike the majority of pop stars today, where lip syncing is considered to be the norm if you do anything other than stand/sit there like a robot while you perform.

Here's where I have a problem: Why does every single damn song have to be about sex? Seriously, I am sick of having someone trying to be edgy and having sex shoved in my face in songs, music videos, or their fashion statements time and time again. This is nothing new -- in fact Madonna and pretty much anyone who has followed in her footsteps has done this. Christina Aguilera...everyone went crazy during her "Dirty" phase. If a female has any sex appeal at all, it seems like today the less clothes she wears and the more guys she sleeps with(like the equivalent of a male player) she is seen as strong, cutting edge, and the new 'it" girl. If your music is good, you don't have to use something like sex to get people's attention. The music will sell itself. Maybe she'll settle down in the future once she has secured her place, but I doubt it. And for some reason people never get tired of seeing the same thing over and over again dressed up in a new package.

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posted April 03, 2010 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OHHHH


I just noticed her Mercury was Retrograde. I didn't realize that. By the time it was my birthday - April 2nd.. It went direct.

I think I understand her better now.
I wasn't sure why I got the vibe that I got.. A vibe that says - Even though we have almost the exact same placements - so our Mercuries are conjunct etc.. I just don't see myself having a conversation with her.

But I think that ^ explains it.

And I'll take back the "unintelligent" comment.

I actually just see her as naive.. as in "oblivious" to socio-political things and easily manipulated.

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posted April 03, 2010 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other thing is - judging by her chart.. I am both interested in signs and aspects - so I think both of those are highly significant - she actually *does* seem like a strong person.

The Scorpio Moon - Aries Sun - Cap Mars..

I cant explain my opinion of her - as "naive" - astrologically.

My best explanation is: drugs!

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posted April 03, 2010 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Why does every single damn song have to be about sex? Seriously, I am sick of having someone trying to be edgy and having sex shoved in my face in songs, music videos, or their fashion statements time and time again.

LOL Zanarkand.. If you read my post above this was partially my problem also.

I don't mind female sexuality when it is direct and strong - such as PINK.

But in Lady Gaga's case - she is sexual in a way I find directed at a hetero male audience.. much like female porn.

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posted April 03, 2010 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
vapor-lash,

yep...her retrograde Mercury ,and it is strongly influenced by transneptunian energy through 3 aspects to transneptunians and geocentric north pluto node. It sextile/trine heliocentric mercury nodes which can indicate a gift in communications,intelligence. It trines geocentric north saturn node too which can be good for logical,practical thinking

as for her being naive and drugs,
you're probably reading the energy of her Sun square Neptune which is even narrower in Right Ascension. it's within 1 degree orb if using noon chart.

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posted April 03, 2010 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus - Good point!
My Sun is at 12 Aries so that square is not a close one for me. I've never done drugs.

I do think she *could* be intelligent. The potential is or *was* there.. at some point. I could imagine her being a good student, as you said.

But there is something in her eyes that is very lost.. It would have to be drugs I think. Sun-Neptune makes sense.

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thanks for the info on the outer planets g, i would've never knew how significant her mercury was other than the squares that it has to her saturn and uranus.

aside from her mercury being rx, it's also debilitated in pisces.. i've met another artist who has mercury in pisces (don't recall if it's retro) and although he's very eccentric, (he also has a scorpio moon and is a pisces sun) carrying a conversation with him can be tricky.. is that a mercury in pisces thing? for some reason i think that if you left them alone to have a conversation by themselves they'd find that less threatening and much more fulfilling that a convo with anyone else.

also, another thing to point out when it comes to her 'girl power'-ness, black moon lilith opposes her moon.. for a while, i did a lot of research on lilith along with a group of people and found out she's pretty significant in a chart especially when it is more personal to the native..

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Lilith|Taurus must realize, actually must just know that every thing is inspired, animated. Everything has a soul, a spirit, also "death" things. Everything vibrates energy. To open up Lilith and reconnect with Nature's consciousness one should start reading books on shamanism, Siberian medicine man, druiden, Native Americans, etc. Lilith|Taurus should spend time in the woods to strengthen the personal contact with nature and regain energetic exchange within nature. Lilith|Taurus could work as a professional masseur. And once Lilith is "opened up" working as a memerist is the next level. When Lilith|Taurus is not used for "higher purpose" using and abusing other ones sources like money [=energy as well] is a "low" way out. Either way the magnetic healing gift is there, so the choice is up to oneself.


when she first came out, she had songs like vanity, beautiful dirty rich and just dance.. all of them were prominent with taurean things as far as im concerned.. being drunk with pleasure, excess and loving money.. she's even been open about the fact that she's gone bankrupt at least twice already.

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Lilith|Moon-aspect points out a very emotional childhood. A tremendous fight with the mother is lost by Lilith|Moon. As a child Lilith|Moon completely identifies with the mother and want to help her in any way. The mother on the opposite is constantly criticizing and doesn't respect Lilith|Moon's emotions. This is too hard too handle for Lilith|Moon. Due to this Lilith|Moon leaves [the body or the family - that depends on the age]. Lilith|Moon is not able to express the own emotions and a lot of emotional confusion become a tremendous problem. Lilith|Moon's free will is completely sabotaged. Lilith|Moon does forgive the mother time after time, while the mother continuously dominates and even abuse the child physically. Finally the child will end all alone and close emotionally. A "closed" Lilith|Moon is constantly drawn into situations where others release their negative emotions towards them. On a subconscious level Lilith|Moon wants to help and give a healing. This quality is admissible once Lilith is "re-opened" and is able to make a distinction between their own feelings and others'. A "re-opened" Lilith|Moon can distinguish the negative emotions and stay away from those "too hard too handle". An "open" Lilith|Moon makes conscious decisions now and offers only emotional assistance to the "positives" in Need.


i couldn't find reading about other aspects such as the opposition but since the opposition proves and fuels the aspect to behave like a conjunction, i figured it'd be something along the same lines.. other than already having the moon (the scorpio moon revealing a very dominant mother) conjunct her south node, which i have found makes a very almost detached person emotionally, (though not really it's usually very easy to get through to them) she's gotta be very emotional and probably using her art to express herself.. she has to.

the archetypes of the moon would be luna and lilith, luna being the more positive and nurturing one and lilith being the ruthless, fearless one and imo, perhaps a bit more potent. with her moon (luna) conjunct her south node AND in scorpio, i think it makes for one who is probably lost in emotions though while they were growing up, they were raised in environments where emotions were taboo and they were probably even denied them.

they grow up being very emotional kids and emotionally immature but carry wisdom with them for some reason. they try to avoid emotional entanglements with others ( "i won't tell you that i love you, kiss or hug you, cuz im bluffin with my muffin, im not lyin im just stunnin with my love-glue gun" ) and in turn, they end up being MORE needy if they ever do fall that route and will be completely devastated when it comes to heartbreak.. they may even, in their mind, make up very dramatic scenarios such as a lover cheating on them and them walking in on them only to make a scene and walk right out to get caught out in the pouring rain losing their tears amidst all the water..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u27hvp_VmaU

before she got caught in the fame, she did have a boyfriend, a guy by the name of luc and since then, people have said that she's never loved anybody again... she broke up with him and moved to la.

lilith, comes into play in that same role as well.. because she's directly tied into her emotions so she'll embrace the archetype and then switch to the other extreme to find it uncomfortable only to switch back to the lilith again.. she's been killing her boyfriends in her music videos time and time again.. she's even got beyonce killing her boyfriend in the new video telephone..

it isn't her just killing the men in the lilith way imo, it is a way of her killing herself and her emotions that way too.. i actually believe the eyes to be a direct channel to the soul and other than her wearing glasses every chance she gets, she has particular ones she wears when she kills her boyfriend in paparazzi and lends them to beyonce in telephone..

other than what was mentioned about her mercury being in hard aspects to the transneptunians by g, she's got the square with saturn already probably putting that mercury in a very difficult position other than it being retrograde and in pisces.. makes her VERY insecure when it comes things related to mercury which i think is what people pick up when they see her lacking intelligence.. shes probably quite smarter when she's all alone and left to herself.

i dont think her sexuality is directed to the heterosexual male audience at all.. its the self righteousness of lilith which she's expressing.. directly tied in with her extremely creative and secretive moon, i dont believe that it's a front at all.. in fact, with her moon being so closely tied into it, i think she'd much more prefer people to believe that it's a front than discover that she may actually get her rocks off with it.

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posted April 03, 2010 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

vapor-lash,

well..it's all about free will

I have I have a t-square of Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition including Moon square Neptune less than 2 degree orb,and I have never used drugs. However,my mother and father did. I haven't drunk alcohol since January 1999.

I read that she did use drugs. I also wonder about any difficulties with men and the father.


Sun square Neptune could come off kinda spacy. There is an affinity with Sun in Pisces. That same aspect could also factor into reflecting her ability to be creative and inspirational which can be good for music. She even played piano at 4 years old.


You Sun in 12 Aries is pretty cool

It means that it trines/sextiles the Heliocentric Neptune Nodes which are now located in 11'54 Aquarius/Leo. They move up to 1 degree per century. They are collective Neptune energies.

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posted April 03, 2010 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not sure if Mercury in Pisces really mean much

my cousin,Joey has that placement. He has no problems with school nor communications. He is highly intelligent...intellectually gifted. He is the type that gets straight A's.


do you know her birthtime
how do you know what aspects her Moon.
Moon has an average travel rate of 13 degrees,10 minutes.

which Black Moon Lilith are you using.
true or mean?

btw....Lilith was first known as a type of demon in Sumerian mythology and in Hebrew mythology. Then in the middle ages, Lilith as the first wife of Adam came into existence.

Mythology changes over time

Persians had their own version of Lilith called Druj.


Russian astrologers refer to mean Black Moon (mean lunar apogee) as Lilith and true Black Moon (osculating lunar apogee) as Druj.

conjunction to the lunar perigree is strong lunar energy. So the opposition to black moon is not bad.


Her Mercury square Saturn is over 9degrees.
Technically that's not a square.

It's a triundecile (an angle of 98 degrees,10 minutes,55 seconds) which is an 11th harmonic aspect.

using noon chart, her Mercury and Saturn has an angle difference of 98 degrees,54 minutes
so she has Mercury triundecile Saturn with 44 minutes of arc

wide squares of over 7 degrees run into the triundecile

[edit] 11th-harmonic aspects

These aspects are based on the division of the circle of the zodiac by eleven.
[edit] Undecile

The undecile (abrv. Und), also known as the undecim, is one-eleventh of the zodiac circle or an angle of 32.727272° (32°43'38"); in addition there are the biundecile (aka biundecim, 65.454545°, or 65°27'16"), the triundecile (aka triundecim, 98.181816°, or 98°10'55"), the quadriundecile (aka quadriundecima, 130.90909°, or 130°54'33") and the quinqueundecile (aka quinqueundecim, 163.636363°, or 163°38'11"), representing, respectively, two-elevenths, three-elevenths, four-elevenths, and five-elevenths of the zodiac circle. The undecile is said to be associated with social consciousness and the ability to reach beyond oneself for help.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect


Aspects are based on not just geometry but also harmonics.

Her Sun square Neptune alone can indicate issues with security to possible confusion about herself connected to dissolution of ego boundaries. It has affinity with Sun in Pisces.

That aspect can indicate the possibility of escapism which can be drugs,alcohol. It can also be used for creativity,art.


There is one thing that I overlooked. It is actually the thing that is most prominent in her chart.

Her Uranus is stationary direct (retrograde Uranus appearing to stop to go direct)

Planets that are stationary are strong energies.

so with stationary Uranus, she's a Uranian type which means that she is unconventional,innovative,unusual,progressive,futuristic,independent as well as into novelty,excitement. She can be very unpredictable,changeable and involved in sudden events. She has to avoid accidents. She can be quite electric. She can be quite the reformer and rebel.

A person born with a stationary outer planet can stand out to be quite special in a positive unique way which includes potential to make a huge difference and be strongly connected to a generation of people.

also with her Uranus being stationary direct, her t-square of Mercury square Uranus-Varuna opposition is even stronger really emphasizing the unconventional,metaphysical oriented,nonconformist,evolutionary intensified thought processes.

Her Venus trine Uranus is actually stronger, and so the unconventional,independent,innovative,unpredictable love nature,values,art are highly emphasized

Her wide Mars conjunct Uranus counts due to the stationary Uranus, and so unconventional,independent,innovative,unpredictable assertion,passion,physical drive


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fascinating! i didn't know uranus was stationary at the time.. i did catch the trine between her venus and uranus which ive seen time and time again be extremely useful and quite the placement to have especially for people involved in fashion.

i considered it to be perhaps (just a thought i entertained) something between the harmonious aspect between the rulers of challenging sings.

quote:

Lilith works on an axis, the opposite point is known as Priapus (I use Janus, the astrology program myself and in fact, it always lists Priapus opposite to Black Moon Lilith, not Asteroid one). This opposite point is what you do in your daily life, and have no-way out of doing it. It’s always played out. In the myth of Priapus, his penis was so huge that it scared woman away, and punished male thieves by using sodomy on them!!!

Priapus, god of virility and fertility, was the Greek and Roman protector of gardens, vineyards, and orchards. Depicted with enormous genitals, he ensured fertility and good fortune. His statue served as both scarecrow and guardian divinity. He was, moreover, the patron of all in need of luck, especially men and women in search of sexual satisfaction. Although he is generally depicted as heterosexual in his tastes, Priapus numbered among his devotees men who were attracted to other men (go figure).

His parents are Dionysus, God of Sex, Wine and Intoxication, and Aphrodite, Goddess of Love, and brother to Hymenaeus, God of Weddings and Getting Married. When you think of the relationship between all of them, you can see a common thread. OVER THE TOP kind of deal…


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Yeah.

Stationary Planets are very significant planetary placements


I used Solar Fire.

but yeah Uranus went stationary direct on the day that she was born


I don't get how some astrologers labeled the lunar perigree (closest point of the Moon's orbit to the Earth) some male deity called Priapus. It makes no sense to me. It's like they ignore the lunar connection,symbolism and the overall astronomy.

I also think that naming the lunar apogee, Lilith is unnecessary too.

I'd rather look at lunar perigree/apogee as an axis

perigree and apogee are just the nearest and farthest points of an object's orbit in relation to the Earth
perihelion and aphelion are just the nearest and farthests points of an object's orbit in relation to the Sun
all objects have a perigree/apogee axis, perihelion/aphelion axis. not just the Moon

just like all objects have nodes


I have Sun oppose/conjunct osculating Lunar Apogee/Perigree axis aka Sun conjunct true Black Moon Lilith
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quote:

Moon-Black Moon opposition:

A major aspect of the Black Moon to the Moon tends to add depth and
stamina to it. The Moon, which by itself can be rather mellow, is
reinforced by the qualities of independence and originality
associated with the Black Moon, which many astrologers associate
with Lilith the rebel, the woman who was created at the same time as
Adam, not after him, and who separated from him because she could
not bear to be subjected to his authority.

The Moon and Black Moon are both related to the subconscious and
unconscious parts of the psyche. People with this aspect are likely
to be quite in touch with the depth of themselves.

Consequently, at times there will be extremely violent emotions -
the monsters of the depth are not buried far away, as they are in
most people; they tend to manifest more directly in the person's
mind.

But on the higher mode, the result of a Black Moon - Moon major
aspect can be an exceptional intuition. In particular, the person
can understand other people and feel what they feel as if they were
inside them. There is also likely to be easy access to clairvoyance
and higher aspects of spiritual Sight.

WITH THIS ASPECT, IT IS LIKELY THAT THE TRANSITS OF THE BLACK MOON ON THE NATIVE MOON AND BLACK MOON WILL BE FELT WITH GREAT INTENSITY.

On the lower mode, they may cause periods of emotional instability.

But on the higher mode (if the native has worked on himself/herself)
they may be times when great inner insights can be achieved, as well
as remarkable spiritual progress.


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Here's where I have a problem: Why does every single damn song have to be about sex? Seriously, I am sick of having someone trying to be edgy and having sex shoved in my face in songs, music videos, or their fashion statements time and time again. This is nothing new -- in fact Madonna and pretty much anyone who has followed in her footsteps has done this. Christina Aguilera...everyone went crazy during her "Dirty" phase. If a female has any sex appeal at all, it seems like today the less clothes she wears and the more guys she sleeps with(like the equivalent of a male player) she is seen as strong, cutting edge, and the new 'it" girl. If your music is good, you don't have to use something like sex to get people's attention. The music will sell itself.

I've feel the same way. I don't know much about Lady Gaga, but I just watched the video of a song I keep hearing on the radio, saw her in red lingerie (?) - a red, see-through skimpy outfit - and high-heeled boots, and thought she was just a new Madonna.

Vapor - I like Pink. One of my favourites of hers, is Stupid Girls.

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I like Lady Gaga's style, but at the end of the day she is the product of a very carefully calculated team effort and marketing strategy. I'm not surprised she probably doesn't have much money when all is said and done (as she was reported to have said) - just think how many thousands, how many millions, go into marketing her, securing talk show slots for her across the globe. Just think of all the hangers-on. Somebody somewhere is making a lot of money from her, but you can bet she won't be first in line.

Personally, I think she's heading for burnout - not being funny here, I really think she's headed for spontaneous combustion. She's literally taken over the world already, and as far as I can see there isn't much more she can do. Like I said, I am impressed by her fashion (and I think she filled a gap in the market exceedingly well), but not by what she has to say. Every interview I watch, all she seems to do is bleat about how wonderful her fans are. Too much a case of "what (she's) been told to say". Latest video? Pffffftttt! This illustrates how some people will do ANYTHING for money/fame. I feel a little sorry for people like this. It kind of implies that they don't have very much more to offer. And funnily enough, it's NOT what the public "want".

Cap Mars CAN indicate promiscuity - I know someone with this placement who is like this - & I'm not surprised about the Scorpio Moon either. When I think of Cap & Scorp I always think darkness/ lust/ sensuality - they are 2 of the "older" signs, but also 2 signs which need to become more spiritually evolved and rise above their depths. Capricorn is almost as "extreme" and "experimental" as Scorpio at times (drugs/ sex/ other vices). If you throw an Aries Sun into the mix it's possible to see how the "bright fire" of Aries can become "dragged down", if you like.

evanski, I hear you re: Victoria Beckham, we are born really close together too - and I have done music (MY OWN SONGS) and fashion for years yet never had "recognition" in the conventional sense. However, even though I am superior to VB in every way (and this is not blowing my own trumpet here...I actually AM), I have given up being jealous. I appreciate it's just a question of contacts, money and whoever happens to be in the ascendancy at the time, and that's the way it wraps up.

(My 5 penn'orth!)

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i got this from a natal chart done by a dr.standley and i figured that maybe i should share:


quote:

The 12 signs of the zodiac are like 12 astrological grade levels. As you will see, souls do not run in chronological order. The older signs are:

Leo (12th grade)
Virgo (11th grade)
Cancer (10th grade)
Aquarius (9th grade)
Pisces (8th grade)
Capricorn (7th grade)

The more youthful signs are:

Scorpio (6th grade)
Sagittarius (5th grade)
Libra (4th grade)
Taurus (3rd grade)
Gemini (2nd grade)
Aries (1st grade)


Now the credit cards have nothing to do with earthly money.
We all have been given 'soul credit cards' to spend here on earth.

1) The younger signs are Taurus (3rd grade), Gemini (2nd grade) and Aries (1st grade)
and get '4 soul credit cards.'They can spend a lot and they generally get in trouble more than the other signs. They are also forgiven quicker than any other sign. This is because the Universe/God knows they are very young souls and they just don't know. They are fresh out of the Universal Womb and they are learning and growing. They are 1st, 2nd and 3rd graders. They tend to take risks and spill their milk more often than the other signs. They have to learn and re-learn.

2) The youthful, yet older signs are Scorpio (6th grade), Sagittarius (5th grade), Libra (4th grade) and get '3 soul credit cards.' They can spend a little less than the 1st, 2nd and 3rd graders because they know better. They are older and should know not to spill their milk. These 3 signs also tend to take risks and venture out more than the older signs. They are definitely risk takers.

3) The older signs are Aquarius (9th grade), Pisces (8th grade) and Capricorn (7th grade)
and get '2 soul credit cards.' They can spend half as much as the 1st, 2nd and 3rd graders because they definitely know better. They are much older and there should be no reason why they would spill their milk at their age. These 3 signs also take less risk and are more practical than the younger six signs. They think before acting and reacting. In fact, sometimes there is fear attached to a risk because they know better than to take gigantic risk. They have already been there and done that. They have already lived through the first six signs and know better.

4) The oldest signs are Leo (12th grade), Virgo (11th grade), Cancer (10th grade) and get '1 soul credit card.' They can spend three times less than the 1st, 2nd and 3rd graders because they have no excuse. They are very old souls. I mean, they are OLD!!!

Think about yourself or those you know who are Leo's, Virgo's and Cancer's. They know if they risk, they will be caught. They only have 1 credit card and not a lot of risk to spend on it, so they just don't go there. They have already lived through the first nine signs and know better. They are the sophomores (Cancer), juniors (Virgo) and seniors (Leo)!

Now let's take Leo, THE OLDEST SIGN of the zodiac. Leo's are here as volunteers.
They did not have to come back. They volunteered! These signs just volunteered to come back to help us and that is exactly what they should be doing. That's why they are the leaders of the zodiac. They are here for the rest of us. They are like angels walking around the planet and we can see them. Leo’s self-correct because they innately know that they have only 1 credit card. Their soul knows already this astrological fact.


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Lyra

I can't put it down to her placements though - because her placements are my placements..and I see her exactly the way you do - Lyra.

Thanks Raymond!

Duke - Since we're born around the same time I have a Pisces Mercury myself (but as I was saying, mine is direct) .. I have no problems whatsoever with communication or anything else. I have never felt uncomfortable with *classic* education - primary school, high school, university. I'm still in uni doing my PhD.
I could not for the life of me imagine being interviewed on national TV (international - in her case) and answering questions the way Lady Gaga is. If I was that famous I would have several statements to make. I have a LOT to say to this world.. and I wouldn't be confining it to "I love my fans".

I get very frustrated with self-centered famous people.. It seems like a waste to me.
If you have that sort of influence.. you should be able to use it to achieve some positive changes.

:edit: Now that I think about it.. I have a feeling whatever her AC is - it puts most of her planets in personal houses... so perhaps Scorpio?
Because she seems like someone who is very focused on herself.

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hmmmm OK

So as to not be unfair.. since I really don't know too much about her -- I looked up the causes she has been involved in.

She has actually been involved in some things that redeem her in my eyes.

But I can't say I'm convinced still..

I'm a bit divided as to how much of this is marketing -- and how much of it is actually *her* wanting to help others.

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