posted April 05, 2010 07:51 AM         

(A)The time the head comes out ?

Or
(B)when the whole body is out and the first breathe is taken?

and if (B) why? Why wouldnt it be the moment it comes in contact with oxygen or sees the world?

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posted April 05, 2010 08:39 AM         

I have heard that first child's cry means exact hour of birth.

In last few years my female friends send me SMS: my baby was born at that time.....
I have to draw Natal Chart and give short explanation, after mother and child come to home.

Bobbie

posted April 05, 2010 08:51 AM         

I always thought it would make more sense to count when the umbilical cord is cut, because from then on the baby has to survive on his/her own without any help from the mother.

... But, midwives and gynaecologists count the first breath.

posted April 05, 2010 10:11 AM         

It does, especially when you have Pisces rising. It does 30° in 30 minutes in Pisces, so 2 minutes more will have a difference of 2° in your rising.

Generally, anything between Libra and Sagittarius, shows very little difference with 2 minutes more.

But in Astrology every minute certainly counts! You will appreciate that when you have a planet conjunct your rising or conjunct another house cusp and you just don't know whether it's in one house or the other.

Now, with house cusps you could argue its position because everyone uses different house systems, but the rising and MC are generally the same. Even with MC's when they end up on the cusp of a sign, every minute counts. I have a 29°55' Virgo MC, a minute later it would be in Libra, but if you look at my personality, Virgo MC suits me perfectly, while Libra MC just looks awkward in my chart.

posted April 05, 2010 10:13 AM         

But in a general sense, doubt it. It wouldn't make a difference if i was born at 12:50AM or 1AM (i was born 12:55am) cos i'd still be Aries Rising and my moon would still be in Libra..

But i was upside down and they spent hours massaging my mum's stomach before they decided to cut me out..if i came out an hour beforehand, then i'd be on the 26th, not the 27th by mere minutes..then my natal chart would look completely different.

But that wasn't the case and I'm glad i don't have Pisces Rising lol

posted April 05, 2010 10:47 AM         

Diablo - in our family all the left handed people have a mutable rising, all different ones actually, and the only right handed person (my mother) has a cardinal rising. It's probably a coincidence, but it's funny, though!

posted April 05, 2010 11:31 AM         

She has Leo rising (Aries moon and Libra sun ) My uncle is also lefthanded and I think his youngest daughter is lefthanded too. Don't know their risings, but they're both Virgo sun. On my mother's side, no one is lefthanded. And it's a big effin family - 1 mother, 2 fathers, 9 children, 24 grandchildren and 8, almost 9 great-grandchildren. The only lefthanded people out of that list are my brother and myself

It's a bit too early to see if our baby boy is going to be left or right handed. Interestingly, he has Leo rising like his great granny, but right now he still uses both hands to grab things. Then again, I'm actually ambidextrous (I just like to write with my left hand, always have, I liked to be awkward, but I do absolutely everything else with my right hand, where most left handed people actually have trouble using things designed for right handend people I can use anything without any problems), so our little rogue could just as well be ambidextrous.

Anyway, sorry to go off topic there.

posted April 08, 2010 11:48 AM         

He's a strong little boy, stronger than most babies (according to the midwives in the hospital) and he has mars almost exactly conjunct his rising.

belgz - my planets are mostly mutable, then fixed and then cardinal.

posted April 08, 2010 11:59 AM         

I know this isn't technically correct, but I don't think SA's are that time specific. I think they are like progressed aspects, in that the orbs are about 3* actually, and the minute is BS. Who came up with that and where is their evidence? I've seen SA's operate 2* before and after exactness.

If I were born earlier I would be an aries ac, and soemtimes I think that fits me -- mars being my ruler, etc. But I have a lot of fire in my chart and mars angular, so...