posted April 11, 2010 09:22 PM            

Hi Lovvies!
OK, I have a case study here with 2 charts, male & female, which strongly exemplifies a case of obsessive unrequited love, not a mild passing crush.

I'm posting their Synastry (from each perspective), 2 Natals, and 1 midpoint Composite, and am interested in what you think regarding the following,

~Who is the party with the massive feelings towards the other?
~What are the astro indicators backing your choice?

*Special Note:* No, this is not my chart. If you've seen these charts already and you know/read about the case, please add any astro analysis you think is relevant, but also please don't divulge who is who.

And if you need me to post their progressions, etc., add any asteroids, any other tables let me know. Birth time is correct for both.

You can be beginner, intermediate, advanced, any opinion

from her perspective,

posted April 11, 2010 09:24 PM            

midpoint composite,

posted April 11, 2010 09:33 PM            

But I think she is in love and he does not reciprocate. His Mars is conjunct her Moon which shows attraction from his side.. but not love.. It's a lot more sexual for him. Being an Aries he can be quite egotistical and to have a woman's Mars and Pluto opposite his Sun is a challenge to his ego.. that will not bring out feelings of love.

I also noticed his Neptune was square her Sun which may show that she is not seeing him very clearly and can easily fall in love with a false imagine.

His Mercury - chart ruler is only getting negative aspects.

His Venus is entirely unaspected.

The only aspect that made me think it was *possibly* the other way around.. is his Moon in Capricorn and her Venus retrograde in Capricorn. Venus R can come across as "cold" to direct planets in the same sign - mainly the Moon (the Moon is affectionate). A Retro Venus keeps emotions inside..
This is the only thing that MAY have made him feel rejected.. However this is not a close conjunction.. and considering the other things - I would say it is her who is in love.

IF it is him - then I'm actually doubting his love... I'd call it Arien challenge -mania. He feels he can't OWN her Mars-Pluto..and he wants to keep trying.

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I missed a couple of things.
His Mars conjunct her Moon... could point to HIM being "in love" (although.. I'm not sure it's "love") -- only if they have never had sex. Mars tends to get bored.. once sex is out of the way -- unless other aspects back up the relationship.

posted April 11, 2010 10:20 PM            

1. she's got neptune in the 7th house which already gives her boundary issues and idealization in one-on-one relationships.

2. her mars/saturn/pluto libra stellium falls into a conjunction on his midheaven. again, a lot of idealism and looking up to.

3. his AC conjunct DC, what she expects from a partner is the role that he naturally takes. an interesting trade off...

4. venus in the 8th, even in capricorn... for some reason i'm feeling like given her 7th house neptune as well, she might be a bit obsessive about relationships in general.

posted April 11, 2010 10:21 PM            

On his side, he has Venus exalted in dreamy Pisces so he's in love with the feeling and thought of being in idealized love. Plus he's an all or nothing Aries. Plus he's natally got Venus trine Neptune so he already idealizes love anyway.

That's just my 2 cents lol!

posted April 11, 2010 10:36 PM            

Reasons it could be her:

His mercury in her 12th. His SN on her venus.

Natally, she has neptune in the 7th, which points to someone having an illusory love relationship.

He would seem to want someone more "feminine" with his pisces venus, however, his cap moon may like the detachment of her sun, the aries sun may like the fire of her leo moon.

Things that made me think it wasn't her:

He puts planets in her 11th, so she may see him as a friend only. In fact, pretty much all his planets are in her non-personal houses.

He may seem to "feminine" for her tastes with her masculine planets. The aries sun cancels that out, maybe...

I am DYING to know who it is. I seriously am not good at waiting these things out.

ETA: Now I think it's him. She puts all her planets in his more personal houses while most of his planets -- with the exception of mercury, fall into her non-personal houses.

Her pluto looks like it is opposite his sun and in good aspect with his moon.

Still, it's a complicated one, because I can see why she may be into him, given her neptune in the 7th and his SN on her venus.

posted April 12, 2010 12:31 AM            

-Aries Sun, Leo Mars, Pisces Venus: The hopeless romantic who chases. Pisces Venuses are prone to unrequited stuff of novels, Aries Sun/Leo Mars combo can't resist a challenge. And who better to fit the actual challenge than an aloof Aquarius Sun with a introverted retrograde Capricorn Venus?

-Not that the Cap Venus isn't capable of this, but their less likely to be so than a Pisces Venus. To the Cap Venus, its more 'practical' to move on than focus on something that will never become reality.

-Her Neptune trines his Sun, while Pluto opposes it. Its a magnetic combo, but usually the personal planet person is the only one that shows evidence of being affected. Pluto may be as well, but they are good at controlling it and thus controlling the personal planet person.

posted April 12, 2010 01:05 AM            

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Her neptune squaring his pisces venus is like waving Smirnoff in front of an alcoholic.

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Lmao...good one.

Stborgi

I know! I changed mine from her to him! I could see it being requited. I wonder if they were together, like dated, then broke up and one just won't let go.

posted April 12, 2010 01:32 AM            

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Venus R can come across as "cold" to direct planets in the same sign

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Hi electricmind,
Thanks for your comments, I myself was surprised @ the asc/dsc mutual conj they have, thinking no way could it be unrequited since it's so strong. Good point about Neptune.

GotGemini,
I always like your opinions they're so GemFresh

Hi Diana,
Lucky me I get insight from LL pro, thank you for taking the time I like reading your take on the charts in 2.0. When I studied the charts here I didn't pay attention much to the house overlays but your take is interesting. And I'll wait a few days time (definitely not a wk!) before posting answer/background so take a hot bath, relax

BenedictMoon,
Interesting looking at the signs, I bypassed those and just looked at the aspects. Pretty cool.

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Her neptune squaring his pisces venus is like waving Smirnoff in front of an alcoholic.

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staborgi,

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Whoa, really want to know why this is unrequited? Seems like pretty intense stuff going both ways

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Another reason I put these up was because it was such a clear cut strong case for this type of affection but I was having some difficulty seeing it in the charts. Some things I noticed, but they pointed to mutual attraction: completed trine, completed grand cross, asc/dsc axis opposed.

Loving reading all the analysis

Diana,

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I wonder if they were together, like dated, then broke up and one just won't let go.

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The other possibility is that they work together -- his saturn and other planets on her mc/in her 10th.

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Running Tally,
Vapor ~ he's sexually drawn to her, but not 'in love'
electric mind ~ she's in love
GotGemini ~ he's in love
Diana ~ he's in love
BenedictMoon ~ he's in love
staborgi ~ he's in love

posted April 12, 2010 02:07 AM            

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Hi Diana,
Lucky me I get insight from LL pro, thank you for taking the time I like reading your take on the charts in 2.0. When I studied the charts here I didn't pay attention much to the house overlays but your take is interesting. And I'll wait a few days time (definitely not a wk!) before posting answer/background so take a hot bath, relax

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My pleasure!

I will try to relax, damn it.

I was strongly drawn to the employer-type relationship. There is something, it seems, of a power imbalance. I wonder if it is a dr. - patient relationship -- psychiatrist/patient perhaps, where it is prohibited to get involved. Something along those lines (priest/boss -- something taboo, where one person simply could not act on their feelings. These scenarios would certainly explain the focus on 8/12 houses. I can see other indications for therapist/priest, but won't elaborate because I have no idea if I am way off base.

Can't wait to see what the story is!

posted April 12, 2010 02:24 AM            

Here's my final answer:

If these people have never even dated.. he would see her as a challenge and that's enough for an Aries with Pisces Venus to think he is in love - for a life time (as long as the relationship never materializes).

If they have dated and broken up.. or something along those lines.. Then I think she would be more likely to remain hooked... while he'd move on easily. Due to their Mars-Moon conj she could be clingy.

I don't see either of them as "in love" from the synastry.. just -sexually attracted- and -sexually repelled- at the same time.

She could be hooked on anyone in a position of power (which he may have?).. So for her it might be "unrequited social position she could've had by his side"

And for him it could be "unrequited sex".

posted April 12, 2010 02:25 AM            

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Thanks for mentioning I had no idea about Venus R and direct planets in synastry. Interesting. And about Saturn I feel the same when mine is on someone else's sun, inferior. But in unrequited that aspect could work both ways huh? Either feeling undeserving of their love, or like your love will never be returned.. Bad boy Saturn, very bad boy lol.

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No worries!

posted April 12, 2010 05:03 AM            

I will be having a look, too, even though I am not really sure I know how to access unrequited feelings in astrology. Maybe the progressed charts will also figure in?
I mean, what if the natals point towards a potential attraction, but the unrequited feelings pop up in the progressed charts?

Anyway, looking at the natals, what they "might" be attracted to.

Her Attraction Pattern:

Desc in SAGITTARIUS
NEPTUNE in 7th house
ruler of Desc in SCORPIO in 6th house (VIRGO/ MERCURY) widely squaring MERCURY
Descruler also squares MOON

5th house in VIRGO, with LIBRA intercepted
MARS in 5th
SATURN in 5th
PLUTO in 5th

ruler of 5, Mercury, in AQUARIUS in 9th house (SAG)
ruler of 5 opposing MOON and squaring JUPITER

ruler of 5, Venus, in CAPPY in 8th conjunct 9th cusp (SCORPIO/ SAG).
ruler of 5 squares PLUTO in 5th
ruler of 5 squares SATURN in 5th

I don`t know if maybe the 8th house is also part of an attraction pattern, but I am pretty sure that at least the 5th house is very significant for "falling in love"; the 7th may be more about "relationship-potential", but am not sure about this.

What pops out most often?

SAGITTARIUS / JUPITER
VIRGO / MERCURY (maybe also Gemini)
CAP / SATURN
SCORPIO / PLUTO

and probably PISCES / NEPTUNE; her Neptune in 7th house also seems to be prone to "love from afar" or "the dream of love".
Of course it is Neptune, ruler of 11th house in 7th house -s o if she is the one loving from afar, or indulging into unrequited, spiritual or platonic feelings, without realizing a "real" relationship (Neptune in 7th), then it is probably to maintain some sense of individuality and freedome (ruler of 11th house).

Anyway, does he fit?

SAG ASC would fit to the SAG / Jupiter

ruler of ASC in 3rd house (Mercury-house);
Mars square Mercury; Moon trine Mercury-
probably fits her Mercury-needs, BUT his are more on the flitty Gemini side, while she probably- consciously- craves for more stable and pragmatic Virgoan Mercury

Moon in Cappy; mars on the antiscion-square of Saturn - he has some of the Saturnian energy, but the question is, is it enough?

full 8th house with MARS there. Ruler of 2 in 8. (2nd house also has something to do with physicality, even though it is not as prominent as the 1st house). ASC square Pluto in 8th house. Moon, ruler of 8th house, trine Pluto in 8th house.

Well, enough of Plutonian / Scorpio appeal to peek her interest, I think.
Even though it is strange with Pluto, sometimes we reject the very things we need, or we get obsessed with them. Either or. All or nothing.

Anyway, he seems to fit her attraction pattern very well. Actually amazingly well.

posted April 12, 2010 05:11 AM            

DESC in GEMINI
Ruler of 7 in TAURUS in 4th house
ruler of 7 square MARS
ruler of 7 opposite NEPTUNE

5th house in TAURUS
ruler of 5 in PISCES in 3rd house (GEMINI)
Maybe MERCURY conjunct 5th house cusp

Does SHE fit?

her Gemini ASC fits his Mercury-wishes
Moon in 3rd house
Moon opposite Mercury

He also wants Taurus / Venus:
no planet in Taurus, no planet in 2nd house; no aspects from Venus to ASC, Sun, Moon or ruler of 1st house
- so she does not fit his Taurus-wishes AT ALL

Pisces / Neptune:
no planets in Pisces, no planets in 12th house
Neptune is dominant in 7th house, but will probably be projected and sought in others
No strong Neptune aspects.

so she does not fit two of his more urgent wishes at all. Not even a tiny little bit.

posted April 12, 2010 05:29 AM            

(Mars), Venus, DESC, 5th house, 7th house, 8th house

Sun, (Moon), ASC, 1st house, 2nd house, maybe 4th house

his Venus:
unaspected by her planets (not a good sign to start with)

his DESC conjunct her ASC:
a hint at some compatibility, but this is a mutual aspect, so other aspects will have to decide

his 7th house ruler, Mercury:
opposes her Jupiter, her 7th house ruler:
does not necessarily contribute to an attraction from him to her, but could show that their ideas of a relationship are opposed or are not easy to combine

no other aspects, as far as I see it.

So neither his Venus nor his DESC-ruler (his personal Venus) makes strong aspects to her individual personal factors in her chart. None of her planets fall into his 7th house. That is quite interesting so far.

So far I would interprete that as "not that interested in a committed relationship", but it does not tell us all about attraction.

5th house: would he be interested in playing the game of love?

none of her planets in his 5th house

his 5th house ruler:
is again Venus and as we saw unaspected

But before we give up on him, let`s plunge into the depth of the 8th house:

her Moon conjuncts his Mars in his 8th house - so she actually *could* touch him on a very deep level; but maybe he would be a bit afraid of letting someone that deep into him? Ins uch cases it happens often that the 8th house rather repells than attracts. Itīs just too much,e specially with the lack of other attraction aspects.
Usually we move fromt he 5th house - oh I am so in love- attraction, over the 7th house - I want to be with you- to the 8th house-dungeon. Of course it is not always that route, I know.
Anyway often, without 5th house feelings we donīt give a relationship a chance, that could actually be rather fulfilling in other, maybe even deeper ways, given time.
In his case mars rules his 4th house, so another deep deep house, and some people do not really like to dig that deep.

Anyway if he reacts to that Moon-Mars-conjunction in his 8th house, it could maybe be in the case of some intense sexual passion, but I would prefer if there were other more stable aspects, too.

oh I was not finished yet, I see.
the ruler of his intercepted 8th house, Sun, opposes her Pluto and Saturn. It also squares her Venus.
This could be of course very very intense, or completely suppressed and blocked.

this actually is a strange synastry from his side, completely unbalanced. On a more superficial level there is just nothing there, but if you get under the surface, it is like a timebomb ticking away.

BTW just in case someone is interested, I am currently using a rough 5 degree orb for synastry as well as natal and looking out for strong aspects (conjunction, opposition, square, trine).

posted April 12, 2010 07:58 AM            

her 7th ruler square his Mars

her 5th house ruler both in his 1st and 2nd house.

her 5th house ruler (Mercury) opposite his Mars
her 5th house ruler (Venus) square his Sun

her 8th house ruler opposite his Sun

his Moon in her 8th house.

posted April 12, 2010 03:27 PM            

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A classic aspect of unrequited love is Venus square Pluto which she has,
coupled with the Rx Venus,
I would say her

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But those aspects have nothing to do with his aspects. Example, a person with these natal aspects doesn't have to have their love go unrequited every single time, do they? My boyfriend has Venus square Pluto and well, we're dating.

I feel like I've had plenty of unrequited loves and I don't have Venus square Pluto.