posted April 17, 2010 08:24 AM         

I show you 5 synastries "midpointwise" and you tell me which synastry belongs to which "relationship".

Who is going to play with me?

These are the "couples".

° Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward as an example for a long lasting love relationship and marriage

° Richard Burton and Liz Taylor as an example for an unbalanced, passionate relationship that failed in the end

° Jude Law and me ( I couldn`t resist that one )

° Bertrand Cantat and Marie Trintigant as an example for a passionate affair that ended deadly, as he beat her up so badly, that she died

° Napoleon Bonaparte and Josephine as an example for an unbalanced relationship; as it becomes clear in the biographies, he loved her far more than she loved him; so it is an example for a bit of an onesided love, too (of course there was "some" attraction from her side, too).

Aspects with * are under 1 degree orb.

My theory is, that the midpoint person feels the strongest.
Example:
His Sun = her Venus/Mars
His Self (Sun) makes her sexually (Mars) attracted (Venus); in other words she is sexually attracted to his Self (but we do not know if he returns the feelings).

First synastry

her SUN =
his Venus (not a midpoint, but an aspect, either conjunction, square or opposition; square in this case; the orb is a bit wider than with midpoints; with midpoints I look at 2 degrees; with other aspects at under 4 degrees)

her ASC=
his Saturn (square)
his Moon (opposition)
his Jupiter/NOde*

her MC=
his Venus (square)

her MOON=
his Venus/Neptune
his Mercurfy/Node
his Uranus/Node*
his Mars/NOde *
his Venus/MC*
his Pluto/Node

her MERCURY=
his Neptune (square)
his Mars/ASC *
his Pluto/ASC*
hisNeptune/MC*
his Sun/asc
his MC (square)

her VENUS=
his ASC (conjunction)
his Venus (square)

her MARS=
his Jupiter (square)*
his Moon/Mercury
his Moon/PLuto*
his Moon/Uranus
his MOon/Mars*
his Sun/Moon

her NN=
his Neptune (square)*
his Mercury/ASC*
his Uranus/ASC*
his Mars/ASC
his Pluto/ASC
his Neptune / MC

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his SUN=
-------

his MOON=
her ASC (opposition)
her Uranus (square)
her Pluto/NN
her Mercury/Pluto

his MERCURY=
her Pluto (opposition)

his VENUS=
her Venus (square)
her Venus/Mars
her Mars/MC
her Sun/Mars
her Mars/Saturn*

his MARS=
her Pluto (opposition)

his NN=
her Jupiter / ASC
her NN/ASC *
her Mercury/ASC*

his ASC=
her Venus/Mars
her Mars/MC
her Sun/Mars
her Mars/Saturn*

his MC=
her Saturn/Pluto
her Moon/Pluto
her Neptune/ASC
her Jupiter7Uranus*
her Uranus/Neptune

posted April 17, 2010 08:31 AM         

her SUN=
his Jupiter/MC*
his Pluto/MC

her MOON=
his Moon/NN
his Moon/Neptune

her ASC=
his Jupiter (conjunction)
his Pluto (opposition)*
his ASC (conjunction)
his Mercury (conjunction)
his Venus/ASC
his Venus (conjunction)
his Jupiter / Pluto
his Jupiter/ASC*
his Mercury / Juiter*
his Venus/Jupiter*
his Pluto / ASC*
his Mercury/Pluto*
his Venus/Pluto
his Mercury/ASC
his Venus/ASC
his Uranus/MC
his Mercury/Venus

her MERCURY=
his Saturn (square)*
his NN (opposition)*
his Sun/Neptune*
his Jupiter /Uranus*
his Uranus/Pluto
his Uranus/ASC
his Mercury/Uranus

her MC=
his Pluto / NOde
his NN / ASC
his Mercury/NN*
his Venus/NN*
his Jupiter / Neptune*
his Mars / MC

her VENUS=
his Jupiter / Saturn
his Venus/MC
his Saturn/PLuto*
his Saturn/ASC*
his Mercury/Saturn*
his Venus/Saturn*
his Sun/Mars

her MARS=
his NN (opposition)
his Uranus/Pluto*
his Uranus/ASC*
his Mercury/Uranus*
his Venus/Uranus*
his Neptune / NN

her NN=
his Sun (square)*
his Neptune / ASC
his Mercury / Neptune
his Venus/Neptune
his Mars/Saturn
his Moon/Jupiter*

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his SUN=
her NN (square)
her Saturn/Neptune*
her Moon/PLuto*
her Neptune / ASC*

his MOON=
her Venus/Mars
her Sun/Moon*
her Neptune (opposition)

his ASC=
her Mars/Jupiter
her ASC (conjunction)
her Saturn/Pluto*
her Pluto / ASC

his MC=
her Neptune / ASC
her Jupiter/Uranus*
her Sun/Saturn*
her Neptune/Pluto
her Sun/ASC

his MERCURY=
her Mars/Jupiter
her ASC (conj.)
her Saturn/Pluto*
her Pluto / ASC

his VENUS=
her ASC (conj.)
her Saturn/Pluto*
her Pluto/ASC*
her Moon/Jupiter

his MARS=
her Uranus/NN
her Sun/Jupiter*
her Venus/Jupiter

posted April 17, 2010 08:39 AM         

her Sun=
his Saturn/MC
his Sun/MC
his Mars/Pluto*
his Mercury (square)*
his Mars/Jupiter*
his Uranus/Neptune*
his Moon (opp.)

her Moon=
his Pluto/ASC
his Moon/Jupiter
his Jupiter/ASC*
his Saturn (conj.)
his Sun/Saturn
his Mercury / Mars
his Sun (conj.)

her ASC=
his Moon (square)
his Venus/Saturn*
his Sun/Venus*
his Moon/ASC*
his ASC (square)

her MC=
his Venus/Pluto*
his Mars/Uranus*
his NN/MC*
his Venus/Jupiter*

her Mercury=
his Sun/MC
his Mars/Pluto
his Mercury (square)
his Mars/jupiter*
his Uranus/Neptune*
his Moon (opp.)

her Venus=
his Pluto (square)
his Sun/ASC
his Mercury/Neptune
his Venus/NN*
his Jupiter/Pluto*
his Jupiter (square)

her Mars=
his Venus/Mars*
his Moon/Neptune*
his Neptune/ASC

her NN=
his MC (square)
his Mercury/Pluto*
his Mars/Neptune*
his Mercury/Jupiter

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his Sun=
her Moon (conj.)
her Mars/saturn
her Saturn/Neptune*
her Sun/Saturn
her Mercury/Saturn

his Moon=
her Sun (opp.)
her Sun/Mercury
her Mercury (opp.)
her Saturn/Uranus*
her Venus/Saturn*
her ASC 8square)

his ASC=
her ASC (square)
her Jupiter7MC*
her Mars/NN

his MC=
her Moon/Saturn*
her Neptune/MC*
her Sun/MC*
her Mercury/MC*
her Mars/Uranus*
her Venus/Mars*
her NN (square)

his Mercury=
her Saturn/MC
her Jupiter / NN*
her NEptune (square)*
her Sun/Neptune*
her MErcury/Neptune*
her Sun (suqare)*
her SunMercury*
her MErcury(square)*
her Saturn/Uranus
her Venus/Saturn

his Venus=
her NN/MC*
her Saturn/ASC

his Mars=
her Moon/MC*
her Saturn (square)

posted April 17, 2010 08:46 AM         

her Sun=
his Sun/Uranus*
his Pluto/NN

her Moon=
his Sun/Mars
his Jupiter/NN*
his Venus/ASC*

her ASC=
his Pluto/ASC
his Neptune (square)*
his Venus/Uranus*
his Mars/Neptune

her MC=
his Sun/Neptune

her Mercury=
his Moon/Pluto
his Mercury / Venus*
his Venus/MC*
his Sun/NN*

her Venus=
his Sun/Neptune

her Mars=
his Sun/Uranus*
his Pluto / NN

her NN=
his Saturn/Pluto
his Moon/Pluto*
his Mercury/Venus*
his Venus/MC
his Saturn/NN

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his Sun=
her Saturn/ASC*
her Mars/Uranus

his Moon=
her Mars/neptune*
her Sun/Neptune*
her Saturn/NN*
her Neptune/Pluto*
her Mars/MC
her Sun/MC

his ASC=
her Mars/MC*
her Sun/MC*
her Pluto/MC*

his MC=
her Saturn (square)
her Venus/Uranus
her mercury / Neptune

his Mercury=
her Saturn (square)*
her Venus/Uranus

his Venus=
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his Mars=
her Mercury/Saturn

posted April 17, 2010 08:53 AM         

her Sun=
his Sun/Venus*
his neptune / NN*
his Sun/Saturn*
his Jupiter/Neptune*

her Moon=
his Uranus/ASC
his Moon/Neptune*
his Venus/Uranus*
his Moon/ASC*
his Saturn/Uranus

her Mercury=
his Mars/Jupiter
his Sun/ASC
his Sun/Venus*
his Neptune / NN
his Sun/saturn
his Jupiter / Neptune

her ASc=
his Venus/Mars*
his Neptune (conj.) *
his Mars/saturn*
his Moon / NN*
his Moon/Jupiter*
his Neptune / ASC*
his ASC (conj.)

her MC=
his Mercury / NN
his Mercury /Jupiter
his Pluto (conj.)
his Pluto / MC
his Sun (square)
his MC (conj.)

her Venus=
his Pluto (square)
his Pluto/MC*
his Sun (conjunction)
his MC (square)

her Mars=
his Mars/ASC
his Uranus/NN*
his Jupiter/Uranus*
his Venus/Mars*
his Neptune* (conjunction)

her NN=
his ASC (conj.)*
his Venus/Neptune*
his Mercury/Mars*
his Saturn/Neptune*
his Venus/ASC*
his Venus (conj.)

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his Sun=
her Mercury / Saturn
her Venus (conj.)
her Jupiter /Uranus
her Sun/Saturn
her Pluto/MC*
her Pluto (square)

his Moon=
her Moon/Venus
her Uranus (conj.)

his Mercury=
her Venus/Mars*
her Venus/ASC

his ASC=
her Mars (conj.)
her ASC (conj)
her Mars/Neptune
her Mars/NN
her Neptune / ASC*
her NN / ASC*
her Saturn/Uranus*
her Neptune (conj.)*
her Neptune / NN*
her NN (conj.) *
her Moon / MC
her Jupiter (square)

his MC=
her Sun/Saturn
her Pluto / MC
her Pluto (conj.)*

his Venus=
her Moon/MC
her Jupiter (square)
her Moon/Pluto*
her Mercury/Mars

his Mars=
her Saturn/Pluto*
her Mercury /Uranus*
her Sun/Uranus*
her Moon/Jupiter*

posted April 17, 2010 01:27 PM         

I only considered conjunction, opposition and square within 2 degrees (even though personally I think 1 degree mp`s will be really relevant).

midpoints are just a blending of two energies (planets), almost like a (synastric) aspect ONLY in relation to one chart.

Come on, guys, play with me!
Just look at the symbolism!

What do you expect to show up in each of these synastries? Which energy blends?

posted April 17, 2010 04:16 PM         

mostly the NN/ASC and also NN/ASC aspects to personal planets and sun, moon, Venus strong aspects!

posted April 17, 2010 04:34 PM         

So you think 5th synastry is Newman / Woodward. I will make a mental note of it. (I hope some others will contribute, too, so I am going to wait until I tell you what synastry belongs to what relationship).

posted April 17, 2010 05:11 PM         

And thank you, MVM; for your guess, and yes I agree, it is hard to look at these lists, and pretty tedious to make them. But I wanted to focus on midpoints and see if we can tell anything coming from them. And had I posted the charts, well, everyone would have known the solution, and we wouldn`t be focusing on midpoints (and challenging aspects) alone anymore.

Just one more question, MVM,
why didnīt you think the 5th chart was the Newman / Woodward one?

posted April 17, 2010 06:13 PM         

° Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward as an example for a long lasting love relationship and marriage
---------------4th synastry
Notes,
from his side: "there's obsession here and union. my ego is hyped to the max. i have a huge influence here. she criticizes me, sometimes i feel that she blocks my career. i really have intense feelings here."
from her side: " i feel limitations here, i'm in awe, there's urgency here, and my dreams come up front and center. i want to build dreams together with him, we have high aims together. but i feel my insecurities strongly."
mutual: idealistic pair, gives each other much energy, stuck on all the words all the actions all the nuances.

° Richard Burton and Liz Taylor as an example for an unbalanced, passionate relationship that failed in the end
-----------------3rd synastry.
Notes,
from his side: "she doesn't understand what i'm talking about. she says things that hurt me. her fears/limitations are in my way. i can't move she always blocks my path. i feel magnetized by her."
from her side: "hello let's get married. his career is taking me away from my path. there's frustration here along with my aspirations. i lie to him."
mutual: admiration of artistic ability. can't understand what the hell the other one is talking about. arguments about world views. many arguments.

° Jude Law and me ( I couldn`t resist that one )
---------------------5th synastry
Notes,
from his side: "her affections are sidetracking my carrer, it's hard to focus on both. i'm in control, i'm part of a beautiful dream, my ego is hyped. i feel limited here through no fault of hers, but i can tell she's trying to teach me something except i'm moving in a different direction. she throws me off balance. she's sexy. she's magnetized to me and i like being in control here, it's sexy. i'm teaching her about love. wow, she sure goes overboard in showing me affection."
from her side: " his career is getting in our way. he's gorgeous. i want to have some of his power, he's so influential to me. there's obsession here, something keeps propelling me towards him. there's something that sticks with me about this attachment, i feel glued but do i want to stick around? i'm in the midst of a dream. i feel so seduced it's out of this world."
mutual: many similar views. easy to talk about how they feel. heated discussions. limitations. sudden feeling/attraction. blocked dialogue. a mix of a lot of close energy with something significant standing in the way.

° Bertrand Cantat and Marie Trintigant as an example for a passionate affair that ended deadly, as he beat her up so badly, that she died
-------------------2nd synastry
Notes,
from his side: "she is hot stuff and makes me feel noticed. she's just like home, talking to her is like picking up where we left off. hmm but there's aggression here too from the past. she amps me up. overall i am hyped to the maximum here. how could she not feel the same way? i feel really shut out by her when we talk"
from her side: "he's a nice diversion but he's taking me off my path. he is the obsessive sort, what have i got myself into here? ultimately i think he doesn't know his own mind, so i have to say things to set him straight. he always jumps to conclusions."
mutual: basic attraction but delusion here. sexual attraction is strong, so is potential for hurt feelings.

° Napoleon Bonaparte and Josephine as an example for an unbalanced relationship; as it becomes clear in the biographies, he loved her far more than she loved him; so it is an example for a bit of an onesided love, too (of course there was "some" attraction from her side, too).
-----------------1st synastry
Notes,
from his side: "she's gorgeous and great for my ego. she's trying to toy with me. it's all about me and what i love, my illuion my fate. i am caught up in a wonderful dream."
from her side: "he's someone who i could make a home with. he's a burden too. he led me on. he's lying to me and taking me off my path. there's lust here and a lot of sexual energy, im really attracted to him, cant explain it."
mutual: friends, encouragement, laughs, bringing something new and fresh to each other.

posted April 17, 2010 06:44 PM         

MVM,

posted April 17, 2010 07:55 PM         

quote:

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My theory is, that the midpoint person feels the strongest.

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posted April 18, 2010 04:42 AM         

But to me it is very plausible that the midpoint person feels the most.
First of all they bring two energies into the equation, therefore are more engaged (depending on the quality of the blend of course).
Secondly all the midpoints are already there in every horoscope, but they are dormant, and you donīt have access to them (you donīt feel them), unless another person`s planet (or transit) triggers them.
So it is only through the other person that you are feeling your midpoint energy, especially if you donīt have a planet there yourself.

In the case of that musical actor I have been talking about now and then (and dreamed of him last night, and God knows why I was seeing the dates 7th june and 28th june in this dream!):

His Venus = my Sun/Jupiter
his Mars= my Venus/Mars= my Venus/ASC

Well, he activates Sun/Jupiter in me.
In a creative environment (usually when I see him on stage or somewhere associated with social joyful events like this) - Venus-, I feel very good myself. It`s like he is giving me all that positive energy, but I know that it`s something inside of me, and he just becomes a conductor to lure it out.
Actually I once wrote to a friend about this feeling:
It is as if he makes me feel like a better (Jupiter) Self (Sun).

The other midpoints clearly show my attraction to him and probably also the fact that it was through him that I started to develop my own creativity.

But of course that is jus my side of the equation, and it`s not mutual - unless he would have similiar midpoints triggered.

I think this is the purest with Sun and ASC as they represent a state of "being" or presence. Just by their presence and being like they are the Sun and ASC person activates something in the other person; it`s not something they do, it is just the way they are.

In the case of the Moon and Venus it may be a bit different, as both planets are pretty emotional and are feeling. So if these planets are triggered, the people may be very sensitive to what they trigger in the other person and may feel some emotional responsibility/ attachment (Moon) or affection (Venus) for the midpoint person. Maybe they love (Venus) the fact that they are able to trigger strong (Mars) emotions (Moon) in the other person. (just an example like Venus=Moon/Mars could feel).

Venus and Mars of course also represent the masculine / feminine Self in sexual relationships.

BTW in Uranian astrology (which started the whole midpoint thing I think. But maybe the cosmobiologist were earlier, I am not sure) the Node is only seen as "connection", and is not differentiated into past life and future. The reason may also be, that we consider conjunction as well as opposition as square. So if there is a midpoint triggering the SN, it will automatically activate the NN as well.
The opposition is just as much a midpoint as the conjunction, just it is the one further apart.

Let`s say:
Sun is on 10 Aries and Moon is on 10 Gemini

The nearer midpoint would be on 10 Taurus (that is the one we usually use), but on 10 Scorpio is just as much a midpoint, just on the farther end; it is due to the fact that on a circle there are always 2 midpoints.

They also consider the MC as a strong point of identity, as "I".
For me it is true, all angles represent some parts of identity or "I", just the MC does it in a broader social context, while the "I" of the ASC is a more reactive, insticnctive, physical one.
The Sun of course also is a point of identity, but connected with a certain behavioural pattern; the Sun is more active.