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raspberri
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posted April 23, 2010 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok.

I just met someone who I like, but OMG! His Saturn is on my Mars and he is so intent on thinking he is Smarter than me and just better than me in general. He makes me feel like I'm an idiot quite frankly... lol. But, I know I'm not which is why it's soooo irritating!!!

Any experiences on this aspect?

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posted April 23, 2010 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"His Saturn is on my Mars and he is so intent on thinking he is Smarter than me and just better than me in general. "

shrugs

so why do you like him???

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posted April 23, 2010 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know why I like him.

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posted April 23, 2010 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

What's your Venus doing to his chart?

I'd also look at geocentric Venus Nodes. They are overlooked by astrologers imho.

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posted April 23, 2010 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, that sounds more like Saturn to Mercury. Can you post the synastry?

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posted April 23, 2010 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My last boyfriend had his Saturn smack on my Mars, and yeah I felt that way too (even though I knew he was wrong about a lot of things). He was just supremely condescending.

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posted April 23, 2010 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
are there any natal hard aspects to that conjunction?

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posted April 23, 2010 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My father's Saturn was conjunct ym Mars. He basically treated me like a stupid 5 year old all my life.

I have a tendency to be attracted to men with Saturn squaring my Mars. Sometimes it's works out, especially in friendships, but other times, like in romantic relationships, it's just awful. If he gets critical, I can bully them back. I think I may subconscious seek out these kinds of guys because I feel I need to prove myself to a man, seeing I never got to prove myself to my father.

But the worst was with an older guy who had:

--his Mars parallel my Saturn
--his Mars/Uranus conjunction opposing my Mars
--his Saturn/moon conjunction in my 5th, quincunxing my 10th house Sun
--his Pluto was in my 12th, squaring my Venus

That relationship in 3 words: negative, negative, negative. Always trying to tear me down, always trying to tell me I didn't know anything, psychologically abusive stuff. I was young and stupid then, and it left scars. I know now how deeply threatened he was by me, but it still makes me angry with myself that I got into a relationship with an a-hole like that. I wasn't even attracted to him--he just pursued me until I relented. After I dumped him, he stalked me and sent me threatening letters. Classy guy.

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posted April 23, 2010 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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are there any natal hard aspects to that conjunction?

I think that would be very likely. Saturn on Mars by itself wouldn't usually have that effect.
Also depends on what houses they're ruling.
Mars is free-flying energy, Saturn is structure/limits, so it's very likely the Mars person would be acting out here in rebellion if they don't like the Saturn person's energy.
They're choosing to react to it in a certain way.
But, it depends also on the Saturn person's natal aspects and how they are using their energy.
And it's also up to Mars, with the conj, to see what they can learn here, as every planet in our chart deserves a helpful 'reality check.'

If your planet is conj someone else's Saturn, for the best benefit, I've found it wise to honestly own up to your failings in that area despite how harsh the Saturn person may seem. You'd be surprised at how much the Saturn person will now accept advice *from you*, because this is something that is bringing up their insecurities. If they don't see how to come to a middle spot in the beginning, you have to be the bigger person and work with the energy you two have together to bridge that gap and make the partnership stronger.

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posted April 24, 2010 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake- well put, totally agree! Also wanted to add that in addition to your point about insecurities, in my experience the insecurity on the part of the Saturn person comes from a feeling that the Mars person expresses everything they want to be but are insecure about in themselves. Which is why the two can actually inform and help each other despite the potential volatility/touchiness of the pairing. I've actually noticed this aspect a lot, and certainly more than I would expect given it's bad rep, in very significant, long lasting relationships of all kinds. But again, natal aspects to the pairing will inform these potentials better than anything I think.

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posted April 24, 2010 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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insecurity on the part of the Saturn person comes from a feeling that the Mars person expresses everything they want to be but are insecure about in themselves

This is so true, because Mars doesn't just sort of act out the energy Saturn is uncomfortable with, it flagrantly and passionately puts it on display.
I think Liz Greene pointed to this aspect as creating attraction in the beginning as Saturn being a great actor would take on the Martian traits actually in an attempt to dazzle the Mars person at their own game, so in romance relations a sexual relationship would ensue, but after that fact Saturn then reverts into a frustration for Mars who now feels like with Saturn on its back cannot move one way or the other.
At its worst, it's incredibly frustrating/inhibiting. At best, so structured and the 2 are able to set out and pursue quite doggedly anything they wish, incl. commitment.
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I've actually noticed this aspect a lot

Is this just relating to the conj, or the other aspects as well?

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posted April 24, 2010 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I've never given this aspect much thought in my synastry.. but I guess it "could" count.

It is not a close one.

His Saturn is conjunct my Sun at 12 Aries... and square my Mars (3 Capricorn) & Neptune (5 Capricorn) -- and also Moon (18 Capricorn).

I loveeeeeeeeee him so much lol I don't feel like he downplays my intelligence at all. He is very supportive and he really cares a lot. I don't know anyone quite like him.

raspberri - Maybe his patronizing attitude has something to do with your Mercuries.

We have a Mercury2Mercury trine and conversation flows smoothly. We are both interested in the other's opinions & thoughts.

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posted April 24, 2010 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
vaporlash- my moon is also at 18 cap

Lonake- Off the top of my head, I've noted the conjunction and opposition the most. Also, I'd love to read what Liz Greene has written about this aspect, is it published anywhere (online or print)?

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posted April 24, 2010 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omg I am jealous right now of the Moon/Moon conj going on (!)

Staborgi, it's in Saturn: A new look at an old devil. There's a mars/saturn synastry chapter in there, if you like i can write up some of it tomorrow as quoted text ~ np. It's kinda worth it to buy it tho, but then again I think I like all of her books

Vapor lash!! Is pluto going over your Mars!!! What is going on with that?

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posted April 24, 2010 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
staborgi - wow :O I don't know anyone with such a close conjunction to my moon! Could you let me know what the Moon signs of your partner/s were?

LOL Lonake.. s'ok I'll always love you!!

ummmm Pluto over my Mars was not as eventful as you'd imagine. Nothing horrible happened.
I guess Pluto and Neptune are friendly planets.. even though Pluto-Mars can go either way... so maybe I did not experience this in the typical way. I know someone else who had a Pluto-Mars transit as well. She was seriously scared about it. She does not know much about astrology but she read horrible things about it. Nothing has happened to her either.

Maybe this is a strengthening influence in my career? It's possible.. Capricorn represents "career" for me in a solar chart.

Also, the M-P conjunction is well-aspected in my chart: sextile my natal Pluto/SN, trine Venus/NN, sextile Jupiter/MC.

:edit: OH -- It is interesting though that my relationship began during this transit.. in synastry we have my Pluto conjunct his Mars - exact at 6 Scorpio... My DC is either very late Sag or very early Cappy (as you know), so Pluto over DC could have brought about a Plutonian relationships.

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posted April 24, 2010 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so true, what house does pluto rule for you?
pluto going over my neptune was a v.sobering experience, some dreams dashed, the ones that had no real substance.

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posted April 24, 2010 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto rules my 6th house of work. It's interesting because I met him through work... So basically the ruler of the house of work transiting my DC has lead to a Plutonian relationship (that began in the work-place)..

Makes sense.

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pluto going over my neptune was a v.sobering experience, some dreams dashed, the ones that had no real substance.

interesting because i feel like some dreams are being dashed and others are being given a *lot* of back-up.

So I guess the unrealistic dreams are dashed, while the workable ones are being realized. This is mainly career related.. which is interesting since in Placidus (I tried to stop using this lol.. but I'm sooo used to it)... Neptune rules my 10th house.

It's all very career and work-related overall.

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posted April 24, 2010 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 24, 2010 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Lonake! I actually found the section available online in the google books previews, thanks so much for the offer to share though, so kind of you and yes, she's so great! so insightful and sensitive in explaining the energies' interactions.

Hi vapor-lash/moon pal
to answer your question, my past partners' moons have been in Virgo (10 degree orb but if you consider it, would be a trine), Scorpio (8 degree orb but sextile), Gemini (sesquiquadrate), and Aries (no aspect there) The Aries one was the most significant of my life so far, probably because it was conjunct my ASC but they were all pretty intense and involved. Interestingly, I have had other relationships where personal planets have conjunct my moon exactly or almost exactly and actually felt a little perturbed by those aspects, like those people were touching on very sensitive energy that I wasn't totally 100% raring to go with feeling/expressing. I wonder if it has to do with our Moon being in detriment...what's your experience been?

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posted April 24, 2010 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alot of people my age have saturn squaring my mars. It would explain why I haven't gone out with alot of people my age.

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posted April 24, 2010 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a synastry in my family where it's DW saturn sq mars. If I could make a clean break, I would. The thing is with him I don't feel inclined to make an effort to connect, because really if he weren't in my family I would pass him right by in the street with not a look back.

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posted January 29, 2017 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8ofHearts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have thought tons about the Saturn/Mars question...I think Saturn has to go somewhere in synastry and Saturn is placed where your chart can tolerate it. I prefer someone's Saturn conjuncting my planets in general because my own Saturn is conj my South Node and the apex of a yod in my chart. When someone's planets directly conjunct my Saturn, it seems to be separative and also, squares my Sun/Pluto and quincunxes my jupiter and neptune.) Yuck!!!

I have attracted Saturn conj my Mars in Taurus. (I have retro Mars sext Saturn natally.) I prefer Saturn conj Mars rather than opposite it.


The Saturn connection is usually in lower degrees of Taurus (My Mars is 8 Taurus.) I have never attracted it later than 6 or so degrees, then it starts opposing my Moon at 12 Scorp too directly or getting close to opposing my Venus (18 Scorp).

Saturn conj my Venus is also ok (I have venus sesqui-square Saturn which I never even realized) but I do NOT like Saturn opposite my Venus! It is very unlucky financially (I'm an artsy financial person with Moon conj Venus) so Saturn later in Taurus opposite my Venus in my 8th house really frustrates me & typically, the person shows up with a really condescending or usery and it's always to my disadvantage.

I was looking at three charts of my best girlfriends - all married and in relationships for 15-20 years.

In each of these, they have Saturn/Mars aspects going one if not both ways. (All three girlfriends are born same year as me and all have Saturn/Mars aspects natally, two have Mars in Taurus (the other in Pisces.)

S&T
Her Saturn in Gem opp his Mars in Sag (orb 3)
His Saturn in Gem square her Mars in Pisces (orb 6 - she has this natally too, they're close in age.)
His Saturn exactly conj her Sun & sextile her Moon & trine her Jupiter.

Composite Moon conj Saturn, Mars trine Saturn and many other soft trines sextiles.
No children

They have been best friends since the first day of college but it took them about 5+ years to get together as a couple. I think she was in love with him right away but it took longer for him to come around.

K&S
His Saturn conj her ASC/Mars in Taurus & sextile her Moon
Her Saturn in Cancer square his Mars/Chiron (Aries)
Her Saturn trine his Jupiter & Square his Uranus
Don't know his ASC/chart angles
Saturns sextile

Composite saturn opp neptune and loosely opposite sun/mercury conj. They also have sun loosely conj Jupiter & Moon conj Venus
comp saturn trine pluto & inconjunct venus

She admits he complains he doesn't get as much sex as he'd like and he works more than she'd like. They've had some bumps but love each other very much.
They have two children.

B&B
Her Saturn in Cancer opp his Mars in Capricorn (orb 4), trine his Pisces Sun
His Saturn trine her Mercury (she's a Virgo) & loosely conj her Moon. His Saturn in her 5th, inconjunct her ASC
Their Mars exactly trine
His Mars sextile her Venus
His Jupiter in her 1st house

Composite Saturn opposite Venus/Merc (orb 7)
and comp saturn opp Sun going in other direction (orb 8.)
comp saturn trine uranus
His Mars conj her North Node
Her ASC conj his North Node

They met working abroad. He was engaged to someone else originally. They were friends for a long time and eventually got together. They were also separated at the beginning of their relationship when they came back to the States due not being able to get jobs in the same location but eventually, it all came together. They have 1 child

With the guy I been seeing...
His Saturn in Taurus conj my Mars (orb 2) in my 8th and opp my Moon (orb 6)
My Saturn loosely opp his Mars in Cappy (orb almost 8)

His Mars in Cap (saturn ruled) trine his own Saturn
My Mars in Taurus sext Saturn natally
The sex is pretty good because our Mars are trine, his Mars sextile my Moon and Venus
& his VE/MA midpoint is conjunct both my Moon and Venus.
(but if we fight or get off track, yes, the sex can definitely suffer!)

His Saturn is also inconjunct my Sun
My Saturn is also square his Sun/Moon MP (also conj my ASC, Sun/Pluto)
my Saturn square his Chiron
Pretty sure my Saturn sextile his ASC.
Our saturns are sextile (orb 2)

I do feel loyal to him and feel like I could easily commit. And I think the Mars/Saturn connection does help with sexual fidelity. (Mars in Taurus can be a bit of a pleasure-lovin' ho' - lol!!!) His Jupiter/Sun conjunction in Libra is in my first house which I think helps to offset the Saturn and we have some quirky Uranian aspects for excitement.

When we met, there was insane attraction and then we began bumping heads almost immediately. He wanted to take things more slowly, I wanted to zoom ahead. He was cooling off and originally cutting and critical, I was really eager and frustrated. He wanted to be in control to a ridiculous degree and well...I learned to let him.

At one point, we didn't see each other for several months but we still talked a lot on the phone. In that time, I learned him a lot better and he has really chilled out. These days, our rapport is much better but it hasn't changed our external schedules or his hesitancy completely.

We've been on/off for 9 months. He has been wayyyy more hesitant to get into a full-time relationship buuuut...he doesn't want to let go either.

Also, we have Mars Square Saturn (wide orb of almost 5) which I've heard could be the kiss of death. Both of us are pretty Uranian and that is also reflected in the composite which could be doing it.
We have Mars on DESC square Jupiter (orb 1). Mars also loosely Squares Saturn in 9th getting closer to MC.

What I have noticed in composite with mutual Mars/Saturn aspects is...if you have a conjunction and a square, you'll get trine in the composite.

But...if you have a mars/saturn conjunction and then an opposition, you'll likely get the SQUARE in composite which why...sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.


Just food for thought. When you talk about Saturn aspects, you have to take into account the individual charts.
Saturn is the glue and the karma piece but for the full sensation of "destiny" that keeps folks feeling it's all worthwhile, you also need the natal nodes, chart angles, sun/moon midpoint, etc. And beyond the synastry, you need a supportive composite.
Dang! It's complicated ain't it??!

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