posted April 28, 2010 05:22 AM         

Alright, so last night after work I was hanging out with my friend and his cousin at their place across the road from me and they had one of their friends who was staying the night. Apparently this guy could read palms so I was like,
"Ok, read mine!"
Cos I haven't had a palm read since 2007 and why not? This guy is just a normal Aussie bloke, so he's not some spiritual shaman guru or anything but apparently has this amazing gift.

What he had to say was interesting, apparently I've met my soulmate but throughout our relationship, after we get together, I'm gonna have a massive, long term affair.
So my soulmate will be my other half whereas my affair partner will be my right hand man.
(interesting cos when I had my palm read in 2007, the guy said that true love was around the corner, making me thinking it was my ex that I had just gotten back together with but we broke up not after and I met that person who is that other half)

Apparently I'm going to a very long life (Saturn in the 8th? limiting and restricting death??), I'm a helper/healer of the people, not a conquerer cos I'm not here to conquer. Very old soul etc etc

The bit that freaked me out was when he said he saw no kids in my future which made me really sad cos if there's one thing I want out of this life, its definitely children. Being Cancerian, its definitely a strong need. I never wanted kids before last year, especially after having a pregnancy termination at 17..
Now I'm nearly 25 and I'm afraid that was my only chance to have a child.

That's why I'm having a look at my natal, i read somewhere that you look at your 5th house ruler and if it's not in a fertile sign then your 1st child will be destroyed somehow. That would explain the abortion at 17 cos my 5th house ruler is Leo, which has that destructive quality.

I don't normally post charts up for opinions or whatever and I know this subject has been talked about incessantly on here but I'm freaking out hard and hope that astrology gave give a better reflection. It's actually getting me pretty depressed

posted April 28, 2010 06:23 AM         

If you start believing it, you could bring it on. So make a conscious choice - not to believe it.

By the way, having a termination doesn't usually prevent you from getting pregnant again. I personally know two women who used TOP as "birth control" and just kept getting pregnant.

posted April 28, 2010 06:30 AM         

Crabby: Agreed. It seriously did disturb me because it make me think that there's no such thing as free will and it there is, there's only a limited capacity for it.
I refuse to believe it, maybe it's something divine making me wants to have kids more cos I've always been so blase about the subject and am always like, "yeah, yeah..in a fews years".

A big fear has always been not having kids due to always being busy or focusing on career, like one day I'll wake up, be 45 and be like, 'Damn, i can't have kids now i should have done it years ago.'

I am going to discount it, I've never been a big believer in methods such as tarot or palm reading. It's always been astrology and numerology for me. It just made me totally insecure.

Thank you heaps, the power of free will is already making me feel more empowered

posted April 28, 2010 08:11 AM         

My 5th house ruler is Saturn which is in my 12th house of Leo in my chart. I have two beautiful children and could have had two more. You see so it's not astrology or palm reading or any other divination that determines if you have children.

posted April 28, 2010 10:16 AM         

My 5th house ruler is the sun which is in my 12th house in Aries.

My daughter is 4 1/2. :-)

posted April 28, 2010 11:01 AM         

Abortions miscarriages dont represent the first child. Only children that are born are counted. Your first child may be cancerian as well with the ruler being in the 4th. That could mean that a fertile month for you would be or could be 9 months before July.

posted April 28, 2010 11:10 AM         

Sa venus is applying to your moon. Uranus applying to your MC

Uranus will conjunct your ascendant and a typical time of marriage and major change like pregnancy. Solar return ascendant is in 7th too.
Your solar return for 2013 has mars and jupiter in 5th and moon in first. 4th ruler is in 5th which almost definitely could show a year you conceive.Plus SOLAR RETURN moon is on jupiter. So this could mean you get married and conceive in 2012 and give birth in 2013.

posted April 28, 2010 12:20 PM         

I really gotta get back into studying astrology when it comes to this stuff.

Ekf: LOL yeah but I'm 25, I'm at the age where everyday I realise that I'm leaving my youth and in 5yrs time I'm gonna be 30..5yrs ago I was 20 and in a very different place..time goes by sooo quick and I'm finally at an age where enough time has elapsed to be able to look back at the years and see the rapidness of change. The years DO go by quicker as you get older.

I remember being 16 and feeling like 18 was never going to come, I couldn't even imagine what I'd be like past 21 even. Everything took forever, time was a whole different, oppressive concept.

Like, I'm young, but not getting younger and I gotta start planning for a future, my biological clock starting to tick big time hahaha.
I've heard great things about accupuncture and have wanted to look into it for years now to help with my insomnia and anxiety (i really gotta stop biting my nails, hopefully it'll help with smoking cos I only do it when I'm stressed or bored)

Belgz: OK well that just totally restored my faith hahaha. I seriously reckon you should get some qualifications and become a specialist in this. I'm still debating whether to go learn astrology formally.

A couple of years ago I was the complete opposite, did not want kids. I remember IQ telling I would feel differently as I got a bit older.

My SR for 2009/2010 had the Sun & Mercury in SR 5th house with Jupiter in 1st house and Moon in 7th and for the first time in a long time I found myself around very young children and having to interact with them on a personal level. My attitude towards children, partnership, marriage, union, soulmates started to change.
My SR had Venus and Mars in the 4th house too, so I guess that may have something to do with feelings about becoming a mother.

I take SR's with a grain of salt, plus I'm not too good with doing the crossover referencing with the Natal. Also it's nearly over now and I'm researching my upcoming one, it looks way more interesting :P

I thought aborted/miscarried children did count, it would have born in August, so either a Leo or Virgo. That's probably where I got the 5th house idea from.

As for having a Cancerian child...LOL that would be pretty ironic.
Just for the simple fact that both me & my brother are Cancerian (was was due on MY birthday, but came out 6 days later) and our little sister is late Capricorn.
My mother's 6th & 7th house is intercepted with Cancer and her 12th & 1st house intercepted with Capricorn.

Thank you VERY much for the look into progressions, I have to say that my understanding of that is pretty basic but you've given me something to look into and learn hahaha.
It's funny that's in 2012, I had similar placements for my SR for 2009/2010, and Mars is gonna go from my 4th to the 5th in this years SR.

What you say coincides with my numerology..my uncle is a numerologist and has been looking into my life since I was 4.
I'm very lucky to have been born into a Greek Orthodox family but to have training in the the supernatural and esoteric from my very early days, but I hate maths so I followed my interest in astrology instead.

The way the numbers are going..27 is a very significant number for me, apparently if I don't get into a r/ship by 25, i'm gonna get my next chance at 27 but it'll be harder as that's the time I'm supposed to marry.

2012 I'm gonna be 27. My birthday is on the 27.
My t/f's bday is on the 27th of the same year and his bday is 5 days before my dad's and they both share the same name. I'm not into asteroids at all but for fun I looked up where his name-asteroid falls into my chart and it's in my 4th house.
His favourite number is what my initials are in the numerology alphabet, a random fact I figured out a few week ago.

I honestly feel like Jim Carrey in that movie, The Number 23. Actually, I feel like the Suicide Blonde, but with the number 27. Synchronicity doesn't even encompass it.

Thank you for helping me make even bigger connections in this game called life..made a lot of things a lot more clearer

posted April 28, 2010 12:56 PM         

you`re still young.
The time of having kids also depends on your education.
A friend of mine (studied and became a teacher) didn`t have her first kid before she was 31 years old. And she is not even the oldest one in our "peergroup".

So while the average age, when my mum had kids, was about 25, it changed a LOT since then. Of course as I said it depends on many other things, too. And quite honestly I would not advise any woman to have children before she knows she could raise them alone, without being dependent on anyone else`s help. Which means it would be adviseable to first have a good job.
I am not saying that you can`t have a child without job or marriage or home. But it is just my oldfashioned view, that a child needs a secure basis (or at least it would be a good start).
Of course this could be a responsible single mom, too.
Anyway what I wanted to say is:
1. you still have time
2. you decide what to do with your life.

But it is good that you are getting aware of it now. I have always pushed this decision / thought away from me, and now I am too old I guess (I am 35 and single).
But me being childless is not something I deliberately chose; just because I never THOUGHT about it.

posted April 28, 2010 12:57 PM         

A lot of "international travel" matched, at least if you count going back and forth from England to the U.S. at certain times in my life (and visiting places like France, on a school trip). What didn't match was the only other bit that I remember - something my mother only told me a few years ago: she'd predicted that I would get married around the age of 27, and that my sister and I would both enjoy art, but that one would actually have an art-related career. I essentially stopped drawing and painting, when I was 23/24, and so far, neither one of us has really done anything with it beyond being creative for our own pleasure.

I'm now 35, and am still not married. When I was 27, I was open to the idea - more than I had ever been in the past - but I had no man in my life at the time. She also predicted that my sister would marry in her twenties - she's been in a long-term relationship, but they have yet to say, "I Do."

posted April 28, 2010 10:38 PM         

Like your friend, my uncle's partner had their 1st child at 36, after they had both established their careers and my uncle got sent to South Africa on a job assignment.
My aunty is 44 and hasn't married or had children, her career in London is her baby lol but she's living the Sex and the City celebrity life, so in the past having children has never been a concern cos she was the only female role model I had.

I'm old fashioned in the sense that it'd be pretty immature and selfish to bring a child into the world without a stable relationship or stable home/finances. There's no other way that I could do it. I'm glad I'm thinking about these things now though, to start setting up the kind of life I would want for myself and my family.

Trust me, 35 is NOT too old to have a family. Like I said, my uncle's partner didn't have her 1st child till she was 36 and that was only this March. I just freak out cos my mum had menopause in her mid-40s.

Teasel: Yeah it sounds like palm readers are a whole load of bull, hearing other ppl's experiences on here. I'm glad I brought it up. The same guy looked at my sister's palm (she's 15) and saw the exact same things he saw in mine ----> long life, a few bad relationships, no children.

Made me think, "hmm my sister and I can't be identical twins, born 9.5 yrs apart"

Amowls: Lol i'm not too worried about it now

posted April 28, 2010 11:17 PM         

"You are going to live a long life"

posted April 29, 2010 12:10 AM         

I had the same thing happen to me, a so-called "friend" gave me a palm reading on my job and he was also very gifted. He said to me, "How does it feel to know you won't have children?" He said it so matter of factly. The truth is, every psychic has a different way of receiving impressions whether they see pictures, symbols, or hear voices or hear impressions. I'm very close to many psychics who tell me that they've read their own impressions wrong many times. They'll get an impression and assume it's one thing when the universe was really trying to reveal something else.

posted April 29, 2010 01:24 AM         

Lack/difficulty in conception can only be ascertained by studying charts of both partners, and of course the composite.

You are an extremely attractive girl, and a virile Taurus-heavy or Scorpio-heavy alpha male will very happily fertilize you in minutes. All you need to do is choose the appropriate Sun-Moon angle theory mentioned in "Love Signs: A time to embrace". That theory is uncannily accurate.

Palmistry is hardly half as effective as Astrology. Astrology tells you that if you dont change one bit, then XYZ can happen to you. Once you see the future energy, you already change it a bit, and once you decide to act upon it, you certainly can change many aspects of the future.

P.S: I dont see anything heavily afflicted in your chart that shows chances of barrenness. Something like Uranus or Pluto in 8th squaring Moon conjunct Saturn exact in 5th, now that would be scary for a Cancer girl.

P.P.S: I have Asc 13 Aries, Sun 3 Cancer, Moon 7.5 Libra and Venus 17 taurus. Saturn is in Leo 5th.
I got 2 brats in 3 years

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posted April 29, 2010 01:37 AM         

I had a palm reading done,and it was like getting my astrological chart read. It was very accurate. It wasn't done in the fortune telling way though. I still have the tape of the reading.

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posted April 29, 2010 12:09 PM         

IQ: LMAO!! loving the pun!
Thank you for the much needed rationality and clarity.
Funny you mention the Taurus/Scorpio thing..my 1st boyfriend was a Libra with Mercury, Saturn & Pluto in Scorpio with the Taurus/Scorpio Nth/Sth node who got me pregnant when just before I finished high school and the 2nd had his Moon, Mars, Saturn & Pluto in Scorpio but he was a crazy Hades/Pluto motherfu*ker...real mean, psycho, obsessed mentally unstable PSYCHOOO (we've been over for 4yrs now, a month ago I had to get a Restraining Order on him..the magistrate doesn't understand how the violence against me gets worse the longer we're broken up)

So I've kinda stayed away from the Taurus/Scorpio angle..my t/f is actually a Aquarius Sun with Pisces Venus/Mars (which fall into my 12th house, of course :S), with a more stabalising Capricorn Mercury.
More chilled out, subtle energy but we have an epic Pluto/Persephone 3yr saga happening that's still going on. His name-asteroid falls into my 4th house, as does mine.

I gotta look into that Sun-Moon angle theory definitely.

I'm not one for palmistry myself, it was just a random thing and the guy who did it wasn't a professional palm reader who'd been doing it for years. It was more of a party trick. I asked where he learned to do that and he said he used to smoke weed with this old Egyptian lady in the inner-city areas and she used to do it so he learned from her and asked her to teach him.

PS. THANK god for that, lol..my brother and I were looking at his girlfriend's mum's chart to see if the death of her 10yr old boy from leukemia was evident in her chart, funnily enough..she had Uranus AND Pluto AND Mars in her 8th..forgot what aspects they made though

PPS. Yeah i think it's awesome we got the same placements with different degrees. How awesome is it having an Aries Asc so that your houses are in perfect order??
The pic of you and your son..gorgeous. You can tell your an amazing father who loves to be with his kids. I remember you telling me to wait until I'm holding my own child and staring at it and then I'd realise what it meant to be Cancerian.