posted May 06, 2010 07:47 AM         

what kind of partners we attract, we are attracted to, and what we need, and what we want?

a couple of questions i would like to ask and perhaps they can be discussed too..

what order is likely the most significant of clues in these?

planets in the 5th/7th, descendant, rulers of the 5th and 7th? 8th? aspects made to the rulers of the 5th and 7th, our natal venus/mars/sun/moon/mercury?, planets in our native house of our 7th ruler (e.g. Uranus=11th house) and i think thats all, perhaps asteroids such as juno.

Oh and the signs of course that the planets of our 7th and 5th house rulers are in aswell!

some believe that different planets in the charts of men and women identify what partners they desire and need, such as moon and venus in a mans chart and mars and sun in a womans.

is anything else besides the types of planets in our charts Different between a man and womans chart?

here is my chart..

considering all the ways our birth charts can identify our type of partners, i wondered if i am looking into it too deeply if i consider things like -

Jupiter in my native Dsc ruler house (11th)
also jupiter somewhat tightly opposes my DSC ruler (uranus) and my moon in the 9th house. my 5th is in sag too.

could this point to a jupiter/9th/sag influence in a potential partner?

does a Aqua/Leo/creative individual seem indicated? with my dsc ruler (uranus, my dsc is in aqua..) being in the 5th (creative/leo) trine Sun in leo?

(i heard aspects to our sun's can indicate the types we attract, uranus on my sun is my only aspect by a planet, otherwise its just MC and NN)

my DSC ruler is in Capricorn and widely conjunct Saturn, saturn also tightly aspects my moon and aspects my venus, aswell as being in my 5th, does this also indicate potentialyl a Cappy energy in partners?

i heard aspects and the moon indicates the woman a man will be with in long term? mines in Aries, but tightly squares saturn (cappy) Neptune (Pisces?) and squares jupiter (sag?) i have a wide opposition to venus too.

i just wondered if i am looking TOO deeply into it, or if this is a healthy way to see what kind of partners we attract/are attracted to/need/want. will potentially be with long term.

posted May 06, 2010 08:14 AM         

Followed by planets in 7th house.

Aspects will modify the theme, then.
In a more general sense you can check Venus, too, but it isn`t always related to romantic partnerships.
Venus shows an area of "emotional or artistic interest"; now with a Venus in 3rd house as ruler of 6th house, it will not be so much tied to personal relationships.

I donīt believe this Moon/Venus for men and Sun/Mars for women theory, even though it can work for some charts.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinions and own research.

In your case the dominant theme would be
URANUS as ruler of 7th house, in FIFTH house.
I would also check the old ruler, which is SATURN and also lands in FIFTH house.

So keep an eye on these Fifth-house types!
Might be Leos, but more often it will be these warm, enthusiastic, creative, expressive very individualistic people.

posted May 06, 2010 08:52 AM         

8th house is where a relationship deepens; of course first you have too meet someone (7th house) to be able to merge (8th house) with them.

And 5th house is the house of your sexual and erotic (and creative) expressions, so the 5th houses should fit well, too.

let`s say you have a good 7th house fitting, but no 5th house fitting. That could mean that you view each other as "relationship-material" and even the attraction migth be there, but everytime you actually become intimate, it`s somehow not all that great.

Of course you can have fabulous sex with someone, who you donīt consider being relationship-material (good 5th house fit, bad 7th house fit).
But the question is would they even get into your 5th house?
Or maybe just as an one night stand?

Now let`s say 5th and 7th house fit well, but 8th house does not.
The romantic and erotic aspect of a relationship could be very enjoyable, but maybe you would not be "bonded" deeply.
Maybe you might have different views on how a relationship "should" be, if it is really bonded, deep and committed.

posted May 06, 2010 09:10 AM         

i never thought about the houses like that, asepecially 8th house influencing how well you can bond/merge.

the 5th and 7th house makes a lot of sense to me! i like the house theory, it does make sense.

how would you say aspects to the DSC ruler can modify the theme? which kind of theme and how would you say?

and you do not think the signs the DSC rulers are in are as significant in influence as the house they are in? i thought that would make sense as much as the house

posted May 06, 2010 10:06 AM         

letram if it helps, I have my DSC in Leo.

I only attract fixed sign moons and venus. Wait let me rephrase that. I only get into long-term relationships with fixed sign moons and venus people.

Whether thats a good thing or not, I don't know! But that's the pattern

my last 4 boyfriends since I was 18
venus signs
leo - taurus - aquarius - taurus
moon signs
scorpio - leo - leo - aquarius

So I tend to attract venus square (or oppose) moon people into long-term relationships.

Working back into my chart:
I have 7th house ruler in 4th house conjunct the IC.
****ETA: traditionally the 7th house is ruled by Libra (venus) and 4th house by Cancer (moon) ... this is equivalent to a venus square moon aspect!

All four of my angles are in fixed signs.

posted May 06, 2010 10:29 AM         

i looked at all past charts,

i do not see much consistency for me as far as the moon and venus go.

i attract cardinal and are attracted to them,

difference i see in our angles is my mc/ic axis is in cardinal signs!

interesting what you pointed out about the house rulers there,

i have one person in mind to think of,

my 7th and 8th house rulers (and 9th) all those from her chart fall into my 5th (the house my dsc ruler is in)

i looked at her chart, and her 7th/8th/9th house rulers, from my chart fall into her 6th house, the house hr DSC ruler is in.

we seem to lack the 5th house rulers.

posted May 06, 2010 11:19 AM         

I agree with Ms Candeh...that was actually very helpful...you are so wonderful at explaining things

My 7th house ruler is Mercury, which is in the 8th house and widely conjunct Pluto. I am definitely attracted to Plutonian types so that makes a lot of sense! Some of my happiest relationships have been with Scorpio Suns and Risers. I like my men dark, intense, and a bit broody too.

So if I am looking for my "ideal" partner, I should be especially interested in 8th house types, Sun in Scorp, Scorp Rising, Pluto on the ASC, Pluto in the 1st (that intense Gemini I posted about in another thread has the latter), but also a Taurus/Libra ASC, Venus in the 1st, or conjunct the ASC, etc?

Hmmm...there might be something to using the traditional ruler of Scorpio, Mars also.

My last few partners have been somewhat Martian.

Venus Signs:

Aries - Aries - Scorpio - Cancer

Moon Signs:

Aries - Pisces - Aries - Leo

posted May 06, 2010 12:37 PM         

i have cancer on my descendant. in my teens and early 20's, i definietly almost exclusively attracted cancers. the problem is i have 4 planets plus 1 point in capricorn, so there was always this weird tension. i felt they were suffocating my freedom loving aqua sun and aries moon.

so my moon is in the 3rd house squared by neptune, jupiter and my ascendant. my last relationship was with a super firey dude: sun, moon, ascendant, venus and uranus all in fire signs. no air. and it seems that most of the people i am attracted to now are super firey people, they'll have at least 3 personal planets in fire. but they seem a bit unstable for me. i guess that could be my 7th house ruler in the 3rd house?

so what type of partner would i attract/match with based on my moon being in the 3rd house squared by neptune, jupiter and my ascendant?

a gregarious, artistic, romantic type? i keep thinking mutable...i actually love sagittarius but haven't found a good balanced one. too much fire is so not nice to all the earth in my chart. no gemini. maybe pisces if they have enough earth and fire to ground them...idk!!

help!!!

posted May 07, 2010 01:30 AM         

for Ms Candeh the Moon-Venus placements work so well, probably, because she has ruler of 7th house in 4th house which is a Moon-Venus constellation itself.

posted May 07, 2010 01:35 PM         

"how would you say aspects to the DSC ruler can modify the theme? which kind of theme and how would you say?"
In your case personally? Or generally?
In your case your DESC-ruler Uranus is involved in a Grand Cross with Moon, Venus and Jupiter.
To me that shows that the area of relationships is not an easy one, indicating some sort of tension and above all intensity.
The ruler is in your 5th house - so you are seeking out these expressive, creative people. This is the basic theme.
Now see how uranus opposes Jupiter - this might give a jovial note, it even emphasises the enthusiasm and creative expression, with some sort of overidealism.
Well, the 7th house does not only denote a possible partner, but also your perception of relationships, and with Jupiter opposing DESC-ruler, you could easily get overenthusiastic and just expect too much.
The squares to Moon and Venus seem to imply that beside all creativity (which sometimes can be a bit selfcentred, too), you also need loving, caring people around you.

It also means that you are emotionally completely immersed in relationships. Maybe not in a watery way, but you are very engaged emotionally.

"and you do not think the signs the DSC rulers are in are as significant in influence as the house they are in?"
I thin it would make sense that the rulers in sign would play a role, too. But I have found the rule in houses to be more dominant, and usually when the signs were strong, the same planets were emphasised otherwise, too.
For example:
My 7th house ruler is in Sagittarius, and at the same time my 7th house ruler is conjunct Jupiter AND conjunct the ruler of 9th house.

I would consider the signs, but we have to find a way to structure our interpretative approach, to separate the all important to additional information.
Now, personally I think the signs the houserulers flal in are important. They are just as individual as the houseplacements, since they are determined by the movement of the houses.
It is different with planets in signs, they may stay too long in one sign to be of really individual importance (even though they still work - just only in a more general sense).

posted May 07, 2010 01:45 PM         

I am glad so many of you found my input helpful.

"So if I am looking for my "ideal" partner, I should be especially interested in 8th house types, Sun in Scorp, Scorp Rising, Pluto on the ASC, Pluto in the 1st (that intense Gemini I posted about in another thread has the latter),"
Yes, especially those who have Mars-Pluto-constellations in their charts (as this would be the exact complimentary counterpart to your Venus-Pluto - your ruler of 7th in 8th conjunct Pluto).
Mars-Pluto can be:
Mars strongly aspecting Pluto
ASC in strong aspect to Pluto
Pluto in 1st house
Mars in 8th house
ruler of 1st in 8th house
ruler o 8th house in 1st house
ASC in Scorpio

" but also a Taurus/Libra ASC, Venus in the 1st, or conjunct the ASC, etc?"
Hmm, not necessarily.
with your DESc-constellation you are seeking PLUTO, not Venus.
Venus (in the Taurus sense) is of course naturally opposite Pltuo (Scorpio-Taurus-axis), and therefore there could be some sort of interest / attraction through "opposites".
But to be honest I haven`t found it that often in real life to be a great attracting force. People usualy really are seeking the exact same or polar constellation they have (polar means that the same planet is connected in one partner with Venus, in the other partner with Mars; or on a different level, same planet connected to Sun in one chart and Moon in other chart).
Well, having said that, the opposite constellation can lead to some attraction, but somehow it does not seem to work well in most cases.

In Letrams case I mentioned the opposite placements (Leo-Aquarius), not because they are opposite each other in the zodiac, but because he has both as part of his partnerpattern.

his Aquarius DESC likes Uranian / Aquarian people
the ruleof his DESC in 5th house likes Solar / Leonine features.

BTW the ruler of his DESC could be considered being in 6th house, too, so that would even give a Virgo /MErcurial vibe, too.

posted May 07, 2010 01:50 PM         

ruler of 7th house in 12th house can have many expression.

One falls in love / is attracted to unavailable partners for some reason; that can mean married partners, people they don`t really know (celebrities for example), priests / nuns, sometimes alcoholics/drugaddicts, people who live far far away from them, and there may be really long distances involved.

It could also point to very spirtual relationships, or a certain escapimsm in and through relationships.
Sometimes the lover is not really present, or there will be secret love relationships.

But there can also be an attraction to compassionate, really gentle people, who may not always seem very grounded.

AStroogically the partners may have strong Mars-Neptune:
mars strongly aspecting Neptune
ASC strongly aspecting Neptune
Nepune in 1, Mars in 12
ruler of 1 in 12
ruler of 12 in 1

posted May 07, 2010 08:04 PM         

quote:

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Ursa,

ruler of 7th house in 12th house can have many expression.

One falls in love / is attracted to unavailable partners for some reason; that can mean married partners, people they don`t really know (celebrities for example), priests / nuns, sometimes alcoholics/drugaddicts, people who live far far away from them, and there may be really long distances involved.

It could also point to very spirtual relationships, or a certain escapimsm in and through relationships.
Sometimes the lover is not really present, or there will be secret love relationships.

But there can also be an attraction to compassionate, really gentle people, who may not always seem very grounded.

AStroogically the partners may have strong Mars-Neptune:
mars strongly aspecting Neptune
ASC strongly aspecting Neptune
Nepune in 1, Mars in 12
ruler of 1 in 12
ruler of 12 in 1

Of course you have to take some othe rplacements into account,

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DD
Since I haven't asked you an annoying question for a week or two--could you indulge me???
OK --I think I am getting it.
You look at the cusp. You see what sign it is say Taurus and on the 7th house cusp. You look for Venus to SEE what Venus is DOING??
Is she is the 12th house? Perhaps , you will have secret love affairs.
Is she in the 6th house perhaps--you will meet a lover at work.
Is she in the third house?
Communication with be very important to you in love.
Is this type of thinking right?
The problem is there could be MANY explanations--right????

x o x Ami