posted May 15, 2010 06:14 AM         

I was reading a lot on Funkastrology lately (great site btw ) and they are using these aspects extensively in their synastry interpretations.

Solar Fire uses semisqure and sesisquare, too, for their synastry reports.

Rob Hand stated that an exact semisquare, sesisquare may be more significant than an 8 degree square.

Paul westran uses the quintile in his reports on progressed synastry (and boy did that aspect make sense in my own report!).

Instinctively / emotionally I think I would feel much more comfortable using an 1 degree quintile than 7 degree trine to be honest.

posted May 15, 2010 07:17 AM         

ive never looked at those in sinastry.nor i dont know what each one means.

hmm i know that quikunkx means adjustment andi know that i have a moon/Saturn aspect there...

the semisextile we have between our suns.

posted May 15, 2010 09:07 AM         

8 degree square would actually be a triundecile which is an 11th harmonic aspect.

Triundecile is 98 degrees, 10 minutes,54 seconds

so a square of exactly 8 degree orb would be a triundecile of 10 minutes,54 seconds

a maximum orb of 1 degree could be used.

My Mercury and Mars have a separation of 97 degrees,33 minutes.
I have a Mercury triundecile Mars that wide orb using astrologers would see as a wide orb square. They would say that my Mercury conjuncting my Venus which squares my Mars pulls in the wide aspect. However, my Mercury triundecile Mars is part of an 11th harmonic pattern with Uranus, Saturn, and Ascendant.

The triundecile might be felt as a square due to objects being in square signs. That is the case with my Mercury in Scorpio and Mars in Aquarius. However, it would feel different from an actual square. The 11th harmonic influence would overlay it.

the 11th harmonic is known for being unstable,rebellious, and so it's harmonic frequency might feel like a square.

I am very prominent in 11th harmonic overall.

If you look in an 11th harmonic chart, 11th harmonic aspects would be in conjunction.
If you look in an 4th harmonic chart, they would be so far apart to be in a conjunction that they could be in another aspect.

Aspects are based on geometry and harmonics.

Jamie hasn't used zodiac signs in 10 years, and he focuses a lot on fixed stars ecliptic projections. He's an Australian. Marina has recently converted to the use of Sidereal Zodiac.

According to Marina, my Mercury and Mars wouldn't be in square signs. They would be in the same element with my Mercury in Sidereal Libra and my Mars in Sidereal Aquarius.

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posted May 15, 2010 09:51 AM         

no they aren`t ALL negative. Quinkunx and semisextiles seem to be about adjustments, yes. Semisquare and sesisqurae would probably be about friction / tension, but the quintile and biquintile actually seems to be a very creative, joyful aspect.

I have Moon quinitile Mars natally. I`m still wondering what that means though.

Glaucus,

yes, I feel that maybe some influences we ascribe to certain major aspects may actually be an expression of more exact minor aspects. It would surely explain why sometimes certain aspects feel different with a different orb.
I am inclined to focus on the mentioned minor aspects though; I fear I might get completely overwhelmed if I tried to include them ALL at once. I guess I eventually will end up doing so, but for now, it`s "baby-steps" for me.

I am fascinated with funkastrologie`s approach to astrology though; especially with their approach to the three Liliths, and trying to check my own synastries and natal chart this way. It is an interesting approach, and so far it seems to deliver valid results.
Even if including minor aspects, if they are part of a DW within reasonable orb, those really seem to highlight certain themes. That is fascinating.

posted May 15, 2010 01:30 PM         

Yep...I agree with you on all stuff.

I don't use minor aspects in synastry unless they are semisextile,quincunx (because they are whole sign aspects) and semisquare,sesquiquadrate because they are used by Cosmobiologists.

I can't see myself working with quintile,biquintile in synastry though.

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posted May 15, 2010 03:37 PM         

quintile,biquintile are known as esoteric aspects. I haven't really seen any significance with those aspects in synastry. That's just me though.

I mainly stick to the ptolemaic aspects when it comes to synastry. The 8th harmonic and 12th harmonic minor aspects are just extras that I use, especially when looking at aspect patterns like Thor's Hammer and Yod.

if we look at 5th harmonics, why stop there? There is also the 10th harmonics. There are the 7th,9th,and 11th harmonics.

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posted May 15, 2010 04:00 PM         

I think that it's because the 5th harmonic aspects are both non-whole sign aspects and based on odd numbers. They consider them to be subtle and not easy to be felt unless there is some spiritual consciousness.

I also don't get how some astrologers use quintiles and don't use biquintiles. They are both 5th harmonic aspects that Johannes Kepler devised. Biquintile is double the quintile. It's not weaker than the quintile. Now a decile aka semiquintile is half a quintile, and so that's weaker than a quintile.

on the other hand, Kepler devised the sesquiquadrate but not the semisquare. He didn't devise both minor 8th harmonic aspects.

How would 5th harmonic aspects work in synastry? Would the couple be creative,gifted,and talented with each other. This would seem like aspects between people that work together in creative and artistic fields like music band members.

Maybe 5th harmonic is involved in procreation,children.

The orbs with the outerplanets,transneptunians would need to be much smaller when used in synastry.

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posted May 15, 2010 05:11 PM         

I think the septile is much more esoteric than that.

Anyway, yes I think the quintile would have to do with creating in all sense of the word. It would probably have 5th house / Sun-flavour.
I also read that it gives a certain spark and joy.

Rob Hand actually mentioned it to be stronger than the sextile in his book. Or at least he said that the quintile / biquintile seem to have stronger effects than the aspects of the 3rd harmonic, except for the trine maybe.

I`m not trying to defend the quintile here, just trying to figure out if it really works and if it does, how significant it is.

posted May 15, 2010 10:40 PM         

Johannes Kepler dismissed them because of that too.

Well...I am open to the possibilities of what works in Astrology.

I didn't know that Robert Hand thought quintile was more important than a sextile.

I have been developing a stronger interest in Belinda Carlisle,Go Go's. I found out that Belinda and I share Mercury biquintile Eris in common within the 1 degree orb that I am using for biquintiles with transneptunian objects. I have been reading up a lot about her. I even made a Sun-Sedna Node thread on her. I am curious about any 5th harmonic aspects that members of the Go Go's have with each other.

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posted May 16, 2010 11:43 AM         

I was wrong about something else though. Hand mentions that the quintile / biquintile (and also the decile, even though he consideres it weaker) has Pluto-flavour with strong overtones of Venus and Mars.
He interpretes it as being indicative of creation and transformations. That creative energy that sparks people to get creative (no matter if in artistic or in erotic issues).

I was wondering about the nature and effects of the minor aspects a bit more.
And maybe the semisquare and sesisquare are being felt more easily / clearly because they are so tightly connected to the other challenging aspects?

Semisquare and sesisquare are 8th harmonics; so they could be grouped into the group of 2nd (conjunction, opposition) and 4th harmonic (square).

The sextile is a 6th harmonic aspects, so it belongs to the 3rd harmonic (trines); the semisextile is 12th harmonic aspect, so it belongs to the 3rd harmonic group, too, the quinkunx probably belongs here, too, even though it is not a direct part of the 3rd harmonic (but if you multiple the semisextile with 5, you get the quinkunx aspect - not completely sure about that, though).

But the quintile / biquintile do not belong to any of these harmonic-series, so it seems to be a bit like a "maverick", maybe that is where the creation aspect comes from? That it has to take all energy from itself, instead of being able on relying on stronger harmonics?

It seems that the smaller the harmonicnumber is, the stronger the effects are being felt (maybe with the exception of the trine).
And maybe the higher the harmonic numbers of a harmonic group are, the more the effects get "watered"?

Of course the conjunction "thrones" above all others.

2nd harmonic series:
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opposition
square (4th harmonic)
semisquare / sesisquare (8th harmonic)

3rd harmonic series:
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trine
sextile (6th harmonic)
semisextile / quinkunx (12th harmonic)

5th harmonic series:
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quintile / biquintile

decile (10th harmonic)

Mmh following this train of thoughts it would make sense that the quintile is being more strongly felt than the sextile, as it`s harmonic number is a bit lower.

posted May 16, 2010 01:13 PM         

Moon quintile Mars
Moon quintile ASC
Saturn biquintile Neptune
Saturn biquintile NN
True Lilith biquintile MC

Moon quinkunx Saturn
Venus semisextile Mars
Venus semisextile ASC
Pluto quinkunx Ceres

Mars sesisquare Chiron
Pluto sesisquare Mean Lilith
Chiron sesisquare ASC
True Lilith semisquare Eris
Darkmoon sesisqurae Eris

I thought it was intersting that my Dark Moon is tightly opposing my True Black Moon and Eris is tightly semisquare / sesisquare to both positions.
Fittingly my True Black Moon is in Aquarius, and I feel that fits pretty well with the symbolism of Eris.
Of course we do not even know if the Dark Moon exists at all.
BUT True Lilith semisquare Eris is intriguing on its own; there is also a wide (3 degree) trine of True Lilith to Uranus.
I think Lilith in my chart is very much tied to Uranian symbolism.

posted May 16, 2010 07:43 PM         

Jane's Venus biquintile Belinda's Ceres - '03
Jane's Venus biquintile Belinda's Vertex - '37
(Jane's Venus biquintile Belinda's Ceres-Vertex conjunction)

Jane's Moon biquintile Belinda's Juno - '00
Jane's Moon biquintile Belinda's Pluto - '17
(Jane's Moon biquintile Belinda's Juno-Pluto conjunction)

Jane's Sun biquintile Belinda's North Lunar Node - '53
Jane's Mars biquintile Belinda's North Lunar Node - '42
(Belinda's North Lunar Node biquintiles Jane's Sun-Mars quintile for a Golden Yod with a corresponding midpoint picture of
Belinda's North Lunar Node in 23'55 Libra oppose Jane's Sun/Mars midpoint in 23'07 Aries

actually Belinda's North Lunar Node conjunct Jane's Jupiter. Jane has a golden yod of Jupiter biquintile Sun-Mars quintile.
So Belinda's Lunar Nodes aspected Jane's Golden Yod apex Jupiter, oppose/conjunct her Sun/Mars midpoint and conjunct/oppose her Jupiter.

I also checked the Composite chart which is the relationship itself

Moon quintile Jupiter - '40

Venus quintile Ceres - '21
(repeats the 5th harmonic Venus-Ceres aspect theme in their synastry...so you know it's a significant theme)

Eris quintile Midheaven - '14

OK....I am now sold on 5th harmonics in Relationship Astrology!

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