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Amphitrite
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posted May 19, 2010 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
Hi everyone

I have an immediate family member who I am having alot of difficulty communicating with. He is very intense and it is always like his way or the highway. If you challenge what he says he gets upset and then pretty much says 'well I just won't bother with you then' and ignores you. He has no problem telling you everything that is wrong with you and how to fix it, but if you don't take his advice he takes it personally. I just can't seem to find any middle ground because he just needs to be the boss and controller. He has:

Pluto conjunct libra ascendant
Mercury in scorpio - h2
Sun conjunct Neptune in sag- h3
Moon conjunct Jupiter in aqua h4
Mars in Aries h7 square Venus and opposite Uranus.

I can't post his chart coz I only have my phone at the moment. Any advice?

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iQ
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posted May 21, 2010 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Libra Rising Men are the most argumentative of the 12 ascendants.

Mercury in Scorpio men will "think" that their perceptions are the best and most of the times they are right.

Pluto conj any Cardinal Ascendant = Dictator Complex.

Neptune rules all mental deviations and illnesses. Sun conj Neptune will create many illusions about the Self, even megalomania.

Mars in Aries 7th opp Uranus creates a "need" for conflict with others, so that there is the satisfaction of overcoming it.

Look at the whole mix, there is no point trying to reason with such a person. I would just leave them alone and treat them with joyful indifference. You dont deserve to lose personal energy on such folk, even if he is your own brother.
If you still want to communicate, the Socrates approach will work. Keep asking why. Why is ABC the right way or Why not XYZ. Keep on asking for objective reasons. When they are answering they cannot be bossy. 5 whys. The Japanese way is to ask why 5 times. It mellows one down and truth comes out.

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Lonake
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posted May 23, 2010 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
iQ said it all, he's right on the $$$,
esp. with the Lib Asc men, holy holy they are a feisty bunch!

I've heard of the Japanese why 5x too, great advice for us all ~!

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Coffee
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posted May 23, 2010 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
A communication problem highlights house 3 of your natal. The joint problem (both of you, regardless of who or what or why) involves house 3 of each natal in relation to the other.

Family member is Libra rising, with Sagittarius on 3rd house of his natal. Jupiter as ruler of Sagittarius, placed in Aqua.

Without his natal to see how he communicates, and yours in comparison, can be difficult to see the problem.
Quincunx (150) Opposite (180) and Square (90) aspects gives more problems than normal.

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Amphitrite
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posted May 24, 2010 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you so much for your insightful answer, IQ. I really appreciate it. He is very argumentative, he is always looking to get a reaction out of everyone. It seems one of his favourite lines is 'why are you getting so defensive?'

It is very difficult for me to have a conversation with him, because if I have something to add that is of a different persepctive he cuts me off and tries to make me feel like I don't know what I am talking about.

I feel very much like he has a dictator complex. Everybody must be doing as he says in the way in which he has described. Any deviation is noted and criticized.

He is a very very critical individual. And I have noticed that I think he finds it almost impossible to see things from another person's perspective and accept why they may have done things in the way they have.

To me at the moment, I guess because due to my circumstances I have been spending alot of time with him, it really feels like he has more of a virgo ascendant. Because of a few things, and definitely because of the very critical nature. It feels like he is embodying a few of the negative traits of virgo. But he has no personal planets in virgo, or in the 6H.

Anyway, I was wondering if given that even though the time and place he was born give him a libra ascendant, he has actually lived in a different hemisphere to the one he was born in for most of his life. So I was wondering would this change his natal chart at all? I have heard that relocating can change things, but I'm not sure how. Is this totally irrelevant?

Anyway, now that I am on my computer I can post his natal. here it is:

Thank you Coffee for your insight also. I understand that it is difficult without seeing that natals and synastry, sorry about that. Below is our synastry. (he is on the inside)

Thank you to everybody for your lovely insight into helping me navigate this rather difficult relationship. xx

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Amphitrite
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posted May 25, 2010 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
Bump

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Coffee
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posted May 25, 2010 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Amphitrite, no, relocation will not affect a natal, reading this way.

As far as help, some of these comments may help for you to understand this person in a different way. Any more help, seek a professional...something which a person like this may not be willing to do. Last option that I can think of: Have a nice chat, agree to disagree on behaviour/future action, then maybe you agree to part ways OR just put up with the behaviour by staying. Accept, not control.

This person has 3rd ruler Jupiter exact conjunct Moon, and as the focal point of the t-square with Mars and Uranus. A square to Mars can bring a person to be selfish. Uranus in bad aspect to be opinionated, rebellious (disagree because its 2pm on wednesday, why not eh?) and very challenging. On the positive, I guess the conjunction Moon can show a good way of recalling from the brain. A brain that seems to work on past, whats been.

I think the synastry aspect (between both 3rd rulers) is square.

What resolution are you looking at for this problem?

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Amphitrite
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posted May 25, 2010 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for your input coffee.

I think its going to just be a case of accepting and not controlling. There is nothing I can say or do to make this person realise the way he behaves or how it affects me or other people. So be it.

But when it reaches its peak intensity I have to leave, I am too sensitive to my surrounding environment. It gets too much for me.

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Amphitrite
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posted May 28, 2010 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
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