posted May 25, 2010 10:24 AM         

Do you as an astrologer feel comfortable giving advice? Do you ever question what you have learned or do you just take that person as correct, because they claim to be an astrologer.

What if the way you have learned astrology is wrong? Anyone considered that?
Are all these systems of doing astrology on this board accurate? I hope all say no, at least we would then agree on something.

Or are you just doing any type of astrology to learn and "fit in" with this group?

That type of question that not many want to answer. Just as simple as learning whatever you can, or do you really get that many ways really will not work.

posted May 25, 2010 12:57 PM         

Astrology is a sacred art. If any faithful student applies any branch or system with faith in the astrologer or the system that it will work, then the correct guidance will come even if the chart data is mistakenly written, or the chart is studied upside down.

Pedigreed Professionals build the Titanic and
faithful amateurs built the Ark.

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posted May 25, 2010 01:22 PM         

I've studied astrology on and off since December 1997, and take into account my own experiences with transits, my personality - how I am, how I deal with things, and how they *might* be reflected in my chart. I also love hearing about the experiences of others.
*edited.

What do you use? Placidus, Equal House, Whole Sign? I stopped paying attention to astrology, for a while, once people in another group (on Myspace), started to get into the ancient stuff, and pooh-poohing anything else (the type of astrology that some had been earning a living with, for years).

posted May 25, 2010 03:33 PM         

I stuff my brain with all I can and let it swirl around for a while, whether it makes sense or not, and then after awhile it tends to assimilate into something interesting.
Traditional or nontraditional astro doesn't matter, I just tend to absorb whatever I go after (and I go after a lot of info), then kind of go on an internal auto-pilot and throw out what doesn't feel right to me...

I'm actually pretty skeptical of all astrology, period, but I find some methods useful, others way too obscure. I never go by one way of doing things, I like to remain open and skeptical.

And yes, I do give advice if I feel I can contribute. If not, then I don't. But I don't really speak as an astrologer, more like an intuitive going from my gut. I'm right more often than not when I make my observations, not because of any school of astrology I've followed, but because my intuition tends to be spot-on often.

Because I don't believe in one type of astrology, I mix and match what suits me, and I'm not afraid to be wrong. I have a 12th house moon opposing Uranus and a Jupiter in Aqua conj the MC - I don't feel any kind of conventional way of doing things work for like everyone because everyone is different. And I have a lot of respect for people like GeoCosmic, who have done astrology for a long time and know how to take the very complex and break it down in the simplest terms...to me that's a true sign of a pro - someone who makes it look easy. And still manage to make it not look contrived.

I think a lot of people just want answers, and that desire can either be an invitation to be open to earning all kinds of new knowledge, or to get locked in to finding ONE cookbook answer for EVERY situation, which to me is downright stifling.

posted May 25, 2010 04:40 PM         

Having been an astrology noob before, and having my own demons and obsessions, I do feel that it's great when we can receive some insightful advices to find our ways thought. We are all in our own journeys, fighting our own demons and growing up as individuals. So sometimes, it would be great if I can share what I know, if it helps (although I'm not as selfless as some astrologers to help much more often).

But well, I do accept the possibility that everything I have learned about astrology can be wrong. Well, right now, we don't know how it really works, yet we use it coz it works, so it might not work as we thought it works. It's like seeing a stray cat passing by your home at 3pm everyday, so you start expecting it to happen that way everyday even if you don't know what's the reason behind lol. (I have Scorpio Pluto in the 3rd and Taurus Mars in the 9th, and my beliefs and thoughts' structures are in constant renewal - I have things I believe in, but ultimately I accept the possibility of anything, or at least tries to lol)

About the accuracy of each system, I do think that it depends a lot on the skills of an astrologer to get the right information from a system. Like composite charts, many finds it inaccurate, but I came to know a very skilled astrologer that proved how composite can be accurate.
I wouldn't say that all the systems' accuracy only depends on the skills of an astrologer thought, although one should only argue about it after having studied a system.

About the group thing.. I never really thought about it lol I just learn astrology coz I'm interested in it. I've always liked psychology and symbolism, and astrology have been useful for reaching a deeper understanding in myself and my relationships.

posted May 25, 2010 04:59 PM         

Basically, no one should take someone's astrological advice as gospel, it's just what they see in the chart -- accurate or not.

Also, are you saying all the questions people ask on this site should be left unanswered or should come with a disclaimer at the bottom of each "reading?" I thought we were all just engaging in dialogue and a hobby here....am I wrong in thinking that?

I was under the impression we all knew that astrology is somewhat limited by choice and freewill to a large extent.

I'm not an astrologer because I don't feel comfortable giving people advice, because I know: a) I could be wrong. b) People are way too impressionable.

I also think there are a lot (a lot) of very gifted people on here who are knowledgeable about astrology. I've asked their opinions many times and usually learn something from them. I guess you feel otherwise.

posted May 25, 2010 05:36 PM         

I have some skepticism about mainstream Astrology.

I prefer a 21st Century Astrological system that includes the recent discoveries of Astronomy like the transneptunians and centaurs

as well as the coordinates that astronomers use to locate objects :
Declination (Equatorial Latitude)
Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude)

I don't view Pluto as a planet any more. As a "Scorpio", Pluto's demotion never upset me. I am actually glad. I thought it was about time. Pluto was just a very misunderstood object, and it was even discovered during Sun oppose/contraparallel Neptune. I believe that Eris' discovery led to getting the record straight about Pluto's planetary status. It forced astronomers to come up with a definition of planet as well as the creation of the classifications "dwarf planet" and "plutoid" It also led to Ceres getting more respect that it was elevated to dwarf planet alongside Pluto. I always thought Ceres was highly underrated. Eris never was offically classed as a planet,and it's classed as a dwarf planet. Both Pluto and Eris are classed as Plutoids because they are dwarf planets and transneptunians.

of course, I am very controversial astrologer in regards to that

It could be indicated by my

Sun oppose/conjunct Eris Nodes (both geocentric and heliocentric)
Eris sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli
Eris sextile/trine Lunar Nodes
Mercury biquintile Eris
Moon semisquare Eris in Right Ascension

I am having problems using a 20th Century Astrology to gain insight into 21st Century times.

I am very strong in the transneptunian objects (other than Pluto).

They fill in the blanks in my chart.
I feel that if astrologers ignore them, then they ignore a big part of me. I grew up not knowing myself well and many others not knowing me and misunderstanding me. After the discoveries of transneptunians like Varuna,Ixion,Quaoar,Orcus,Eris,Sedna,Haumea,and Makemake which are all strong in my chart except for Makemake, I learned about myself completely and realize my life purpose.

I believe that Pluto's fellow transneptunians are a big part of 21st Century Astrology.

Zane Stein,Jonathan Dunn,Mark Andrew Holmes,and Philip Sedgwick influence me to the use transneptunians and centaurs in Astrology.

Philip Sedgwick also got me interested in Heliocentric Astrology and the Astrology of Deep Space which involves black holes,quasars,pulsars,x-rays,and galactic anomalies.

any ways I want a primarily geometric and based system.

I am influenced by Johannes Kepler,Reinhold Ebertin,and Theodor Landscheidt.

I still use signs and houses, but I put very little emphasis on them. I focus far more on the aspects.

of course, I am also into the use of the nodes of objects other than the moon

Nodes aren't just the lunar nodes.
All objects have nodes and not just the Moon.

That's why I don't refer to lunar nodes as "nodes"
Astronomers regularly record the locations of nodes of other objects.

There is a lot of diversity in Astrology, but there is also a lot of discord in Astrology. Even Steven Forrest says that there is a Tower of Babel problem in Astrology. He talked about how we need to tolerate and accept diversity in Astrology. He said that the idea of one true Astrology is a myth and can be blown out of the water.

I believe that the diversity and discord in Astrology is one of the things that critics of Astrologers use against us.

I can't help thinking that Eris should co-rule Astrology with Uranus.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted May 26, 2010 07:15 PM         

"Believe nothing on the faith of traditions,
even though they have been held in honor
for many generations and in divers places.
Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it.
Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past.
Do not believe what you yourself have imagined,
persuading yourself that a God inspires you.
Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests.
After examination, believe what you yourself have tested
and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct
thereto."

Gautama Buddha

"Be a lamp unto yourself.
Don't search for light anywhere else; the light is already there,
the fire is already there. Just probe a little deeper into your
being, enquire.
Maybe much ash has gathered around the fire...Just probe deep
inside, and you will find the spark again.
And once you have found a single spark inside you, you will
become a flame, soon you will be a fire...a fire that purifies, a
fire that transforms, a fire that gives you a new birth and a new
being.
Be a lamp unto yourself."