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DD
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posted May 25, 2010 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 25, 2010 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"But I have seen some astrologers use it with the tropical zodiac and basically treating it like the "normal" charts"

Yeah

Vedic Astrologers treat the 9th harmonic like a normal chart. The Navamsha chart is the 2nd most important chart after the Rasi chart. It's a 2nd main overall chart. It's not just used for marriage.

Because of that, I wondered if the same method can be used in western tropical Astrology.

I have a grand trine of Sun,Mercury,Neptune in 9th harmonic that seems to fit me. Of course, I have Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint because it is in 27th harmonic (9 x 3 = 27).

According to David Cochrane,founder of Cosmic Patterns and creator of Kepler Astrology software:

Some of the key harmonics that influence cultural development are:

27 and 81: Spiritual enlightenment, going to heaven, becoming a saint, reaching perfection. Finding peace and bringing an end to war and hatred.

If we think of the number 27 in terms of a harmonic or wave form, it is 3 cubed, or 9 times three.

cosmic cybernetic wave of 9 times 3 emphasizes wholeness, acceptance, a world family, and peace.

In Martin Luther King’s birth chart we see beautiful 9th harmonic and 27th harmonic patterns that express his vision of a loving community and how he was drawn to the influence of Gandhi’s thinking and the path he took to bring about civil rights.

http://astrosoftware.com/CosmicCybernetics.htm

David Cochrane is really big on Harmonics. He has developed a harmonic astrological system called Cosmic Cybernetics.
I have his book about 21st Century Astrology.


Actually, I have a kite in the 9th harmonic. Uranus opposes Sun and sextiles Mercury and Neptune.

I have a t-square of Saturn square Sun-Uranus opposition in my 9th harmonic that also seems to fit me, especially in regards to my biological father.


but yeah ..some western tropical astrologers using the 9th harmonic chart as a regular chart is not farfetched. They are doing what the Vedic Astrologers do.

I wouldn't use the signs nor houses though. David Hamblyn was a harmonic astrologer. I have his book on Harmonic Astrology.

He is now a critic of Astrology. I can't help wonder if he got into Harmonic Astrology because he was critic of Mainstream Astrology. In his harmonic astrology system, the zodiac signs nor the houses were used.

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posted May 25, 2010 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never really looked at harmonic chart transits. That would be something to look at.

It wouldn't be any different from synastry.

after all the younger person in the synastry is the same as a transit that happens to the older person.

The older person relives that transit through the younger person.

if using harmonic charts, I think that it would be best to use smaller orbs for the minor objects including even the dwarf planets


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posted May 25, 2010 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What orbs would you suggest for these charts? And why would they be smaller than in usual synastry?


well according to David Hamblyn:

12 - conjunction
6 - opposition
4 - trine
3- square
2 - sextile
1 - semisextile,quincunx

when it comes to outerplanets in synastry and transit, I'd think the orbs need to be smaller. The same with transneptunian objects. I think the orbs should be smaller for minor objects any way.


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posted May 25, 2010 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"12 degree for a conjunction? REally? That is huge! "

well....he is using orbs in proportion to harmonic that's why the orbs get smaller as the harmonic gets larger.

those orbs are used for aspects in harmonic charts whether its 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th,7th,8th,9th,etc. Not just the regular chart.


the person that created harmonic astrology, John Addey used 15 degrees for conjunction and went from there

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So tropical - harmonic 9th synastry?

12' for a conjunct is huge! wow.

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posted May 25, 2010 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, after you posted about the ninth harmonic I started looking at the ninth of me and Johnny.

I found that his 9th harm Jenny is conjunct my natal sun 0 degree orb trine his 9th harm Vertex (and my natal NN)
0 degree orb and trine his 9th harm jupiter and 9th harm valentine 0 degree orb.
His ninth harm NN is square my Natal Sun 0 degree orb so it is also square his 9th harm jenny 0 degree orb.

I have found many connections in the synastry but this seemed very interesting.

His 9th harm sun conjunct my 9th harm venus.
his 9th harm jennifer and alma conjunct my natal NN and opp my 9th harm sun.

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posted May 25, 2010 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a muted grand cross- 3 of them... no other grand aspects. I wish it was different.

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posted May 25, 2010 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My friend that I have been interested in for a while... we have a Pluto conj Juno DW within 1 degree between our 9th harmonic charts... hmm.

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I thought the Juno/Pluto seemed intense too. I just wasn't happy to see the grand square. LOL

It's between:
Pluto in Pisces,
jupiter, AC, Moon in Gemini
Neptune, Sun in Virgo
and Mars and Uranus in Saggie

It's funny my 9th harm Moon is at the same exact degree and min as my Natal ASC, plus the 9th harm Sun is conj my Natal NN.

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I think there is a difference in the way the 9th Harmonic chart is calculated by the Vedics. They use a specific table of degrees, and divide the Sidereal 30 degrees into 9 equal divisions while reconstructing the chart. Its called a "Navamsa" Chart and the Vedics call it the "fruit" with the normal sidereal chart being considered the Tree.
The logic is good. Vedics use 9 planets in their astrology.

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